The IFBB pro rulebook - An Analysis...

[Lift Studios]

Still no answer to my simple question.  Why was the Colorado Pro not reuqired to follow the rules of the IFBB and make their deposit to the IFBB 60 days out from the show.  SO simple yet no one answers since I have asked this question since the show. 

Who says they didn't? It's been well documented that it was a BANK ERROR not Vyotech's error on the check.

Your turn.

[Chick]

Still no answer to my simple question.  Why was the Colorado Pro not reuqired to follow the rules of the IFBB and make their deposit to the IFBB 60 days out from the show.  SO simple yet no one answers since I have asked this question since the show. 

Here's a simple answer: because they showed a account set up specifically for the show with a balance sufficient to pay the athletes 5 times over...that's why.

Personally, I could give a rats ass if the money is given to the IFBB, put in a seperate account, put in escrow, or held by securiy in a haliburton briefcase.

I submitted and was granted a passing vote on the item of the IFBB backing up the purse upon the promoter failing to pay the athletes...

[onlyme]

Who says they didn't? It's been well documented that it was a BANK ERROR not Vyotech's error on the check.

Your turn.

I thoght the IFBB account was in Canada.  The bank error was from a Danver account at US Bank.  Not the IFBB.  Why does the IFBB require by the rule book you give them the money to put in there bank. 

[jwb]

Will be interesting to see what happens the next time an IFBB promoter fails to pay the athletes.

Will Jim stick to his promise to personally cover it or not... hope so for the bbers sake

[Chick]

I thoght the IFBB account was in Canada.  The bank error was from a Danver account at US Bank.  Not the IFBB.  Why does the IFBB require by the rule book you give them the money to put in there bank. 

They chaanged the rules because of Wayne's failure to collect the prize money upfront, or have any assurance of the funds being accounted for.

As I just stated, the account was a Vyotech account that was set up foir the show....this isn't difficult, Keith.

There was never a fear of the athletes NOT getting paid.

[jwb]

They chaanged the rules because of Wayne's failure to collect the prize money upfront, or have any assurance of the funds being accounted for.

As I just stated, the account was a Vyotech account that was set up foir the show....this isn't difficult, Keith.

There was never a fear of the athletes NOT getting paid.

the show was legit we aren't questioning it - I also don't believe they should give the ifbb the money 60 days in advance (why let them collect interest on it) - the whole point is the rule book wasn't followed YET again...

[Chick]

blah, blah, blah....same shit.

It was alredy explained a million times that it was a simple bank error and nothing more...Phil himself came on here and explained it...

The question is, 240...why didn't Wayne follow the rules, allowing for the athletes to get screwed over?

Don't ya just love it when 240 bails when he can't answerr a question...classic.

[Mr. Intenseone]

This thread is complete bullshit, we want the rules enforced (at the very least the code of conduct) to make this train wreck of a federation better and to bring at least some legitimacy to the industry and Chick and the other IFBB cronies are putting a spin to every legit question asked. It's quite clear that their happy in their own little moraly currupt drug infested world and not willing to make it more acceptable to the general public or the fans that contribute.

And according to the rule book, Jocelyn Pellitier kicked everyone's ass in every pro show he entered, to all the people who made fun of him....looks like HE SHOULD  have the last laugh!

Again Chick, thanks for keeping the industry as f**ked up as it's been for the 12 or so years!

[Lift Studios]

I thoght the IFBB account was in Canada.  The bank error was from a Danver account at US Bank.  Not the IFBB.  Why does the IFBB require by the rule book you give them the money to put in there bank. 

The athletes were paid, what more do you want?

Still waiting on the answer to your fellow PDI promoter. Why has he failed to pay up?

You got too much sun today Keith, have your cabana boy put some aloe on your back and go to bed.

 

[Lift Studios]

This thread is complete bullshit, we want the rules enforced (at the very least the code of conduct) to make this train wreck of a federation better and to bring at least some legitimacy to the industry and Chick and the other IFBB cronies are putting a spin to every legit question asked. It's quite clear that their happy in their own little moraly currupt drug infested world and not willing to make it more acceptable to the general public or the fans that contribute.

And according to the rule book, Jocelyn Pellitier kicked everyone's ass in every pro show he entered, to all the people who made fun of him....looks like HE SHOULD  have the last laugh!

Again Chick, thanks for keeping the industry as f**ked up as it's been for the 12 or so years!

Remind us again what you've done to further the sport...

[Adam Empire]

lets say this guy competes clean and comes last in a show of 14 guys.

surely a show of 14 guys should have perhaps 3-4 guys who would be randomly or targeted tested for drugs by the ifbb.

our point is that there is effectively no testing in the ifbb for performance enhancement - i personally believe people should be able to take whatever they like - when the pro rule book clearly states that they perform both targeted and random testing both in and out of competition.

the rule book on drugs isn't being followed at all yet the rule about guys competing somewhere else are rigidly enforced.

can't you see how unprofessional that makes the ifbb look chick?

Thanks for helping explain my point.  Didn't Mike Morris compete at the O last year clean for health reasons?  He could sue because he took last and didn't make any $.  I guarantee if major league baseball decided to not enfore a rule and it made the difference in placings and $ there would be major lawsuits.

The difference here is...  almost nothing.  I am just surprized it really never came up earlier.

[jwb]

240/onlyme...

why didn't wayne follow the ifbb pro rules when he was in charge and what makes anyone believe he'll act honestly now?

you guys are his right hand men aren't ya?

[Mr. Intenseone]

Remind us again what you've done to further the sport...

I've got a better question...what have you, Chick or any other IFBB official done to better the INDUSTRY (it's not a sport)? Please Remind me. I've been either in or around this industry for the last 32 years and it's gone to shit!!

[Chick]

I've got a better question...what have you, Chick or any other IFBB official done to better the INDUSTRY (it's not a sport)? Please Remind me. I've been either in or around this industry for the last 32 years and it's gone to shit!!

Is this guy serious?

[Mr. Intenseone]

Is this guy serious?

I'm dead serious!

[Lift Studios]

I've got a better question...what have you, Chick or any other IFBB official done to better the INDUSTRY (it's not a sport)? Please Remind me. I've been either in or around this industry for the last 32 years and it's gone to shit!!

If you have been around so long then clearly you have an answer for us. Do tell Mr. Intenseone, if its gone to shit what have you done to help or have you merely contributed to this world of shit you speak of?

FYI - I'm not an IFBB official. Hope this helps.

[Mr. Intenseone]

If you have been around so long then clearly you have an answer for us. Do tell Mr. Intenseone, if its gone to shit what have you done to help or have you merely contributed to this world of shit you speak of?

FYI - I'm not an IFBB official. Hope this helps.

I've tried giving an answer but it obviously falls on deaf ears!

[Chick]

Do a little homework before spouting off and sounding stupid...

[Lift Studios]

Didn't Mike Morris compete at the O last year clean for health reasons?  He could sue because he took last and didn't make any $.

HAHA SUE for what? Showing up out of shape? Yeah that's a good one.

[jwb]

I think chick has made positive strides.

he couldn't go backwards since everyone's backs were so firmly against the wall when wayne was in charge of the ifbb pros lets face it.

i'd just like him to admit some of the home truths once in a while instead of toeing the line so much...

[Mr. Intenseone]

Do a little homework before spouting off and sounding stupid...

Answer the question instead of putting a spin on it!

[jwb]

HAHA SUE for what? Showing up out of shape? Yeah that's a good one.

empire had a technical point about the rule book not being enforced and noone above mike in that show being tested for diddly as per the rule book requirement...

[Mr. Intenseone]

I think chick has made positive strides.

he couldn't go backwards since everyone's backs were so firmly against the wall when wayne was in charge of the ifbb pros lets face it.

i'd just like him to admit some of the home truths once in a while instead of toeing the line so much...

If this makes sense, he's made a difference for the competitors, but what has he done for the industry as a whole?

[Lift Studios]

I've tried giving an answer but it obviously falls on deaf ears!

Steers try but that have no balls.

[Ron]

I've got a better question...what have you, Chick or any other IFBB official done to better the INDUSTRY (it's not a sport)? Please Remind me. I've been either in or around this industry for the last 32 years and it's gone to shit!!

Ok - first Mr. Intenseone - give me an update of your training with Rory. Now to your question, and since I met you at the Ironman - are you serious

Lets just go back ten years.  Did you think 10 years ago that the Olympia, Ironman, Arnold, Colorado Pro would have expos the size of what we have now with hundreds of booths and companies coming to support. Did you think that you would have 20,000+ people going through these expos.  Do you not see the prize money go to record heights in the Olympia. Very well at the Arnold. The Colorado Pro.

If you remember 10 years ago, even at the Olympia in Long Beach and New York, all they were was the show, and about 20 booths. That is it. Same with the Arnold, in the old VIP Dinner room. Look at these events now.

With the rise of supplement companies, starting with Metrx, ABB and others, they brought more money into the sport than ever before. At least 40-80 pros and many amatuers have some sort of contracts, maybe even more.

Nothing was like this 10 years ago. And if you can't even admit that - get real. 

Lets get ready to rumble on Getbig...