The IFBB pro rulebook - An Analysis...

[Dorian 01]

Guys who have a criminal record or who do porn do get penalized if the IFBB feels like it. Usually in the way of bad placings. Did Cormier really deserve 2nd place at all those Arnold Classics? Rusty Jeffers getting 6th place?

Edit: This is of course worse than publically suspending someone for these things.

[240 is Back]

Jeffers got 8th at the masters pro

[dearth]

Simple...Jay beat them at their own game.

The drug testing was supposed to be from an accredited IOC lab...it wasn't.

Thus the drug test could not be enforced.

now you're begging to sound like wayne
not even your pal shawn ray bought that story.....

[Adam Empire]

Well, Ronnie will easily won the O this year when they drug test everybody else.  They can.

[gtbro1]

10 months i had a bet with Jason Mathis at the time he used to write for muscle mag.He could test me anytime and if i was positive i would pay him 10,000 and vice versa if i was clean..It was a little harder recovery wise and training just took loads of supplements but it can be done just alot harder .

I think it is cool how Lee will admit what many will not.

[IFBBwannaB]

I think it is cool how Lee will admit what many will not.

Wierd cause he seems like a liar to me.

[the choad]

Jeffers got 8th at the masters pro

he was punished severly for having a mustache...

[onlyme]

I think it is cool how Lee will admit what many will not.

It's called having balls and not having to depend on the IFBB for income.  What that does is give Lee the power to say what he wants cause he has other ways of making money.  Most of the pros don't know how to do anything but lift, eat and shoot themsleves with roids.  So they have to play ball with the IFBB and make sure the IFBB wins all the time.

[jwb]

The IFBB is a private company, and thus can pick and choose what they wish to enforce...the IFBB lawyers can simply refer to the phrases, "may be subject to..." and "we reserve the right..."

BTW, there is no blatent promotion of drug use, there are clear cut rules the can enforce IF THEY WISH to, at any time...

Are you seeing the light now?

Nice to know a private company doesn't pay any tax...

[onlyme]

As I've been stating from day 1...the phrase "may be subject to..." tells the story. The IFBB can selectively enforce whichever rules they deem to be of greater importance.

So in one of the biggest public forums of its kind in the world, you are admitting that the IFBB DOES NOT consider the drug use of their members a great importance.  So, you are saying for the IFBB is that they care less about the members health and well being and would rather put emphasis on how they can make money. Man, you represent a pretty interesting company.  No wonder why the IFBB is so fucked up. They have horrible morals.

[onlyme]

The IFBB is a private company, and thus can pick and choose what they wish to enforce...the IFBB lawyers can simply refer to the phrases, "may be subject to..." and "we reserve the right..."

BTW, there is no blatent promotion of drug use, there are clear cut rules the can enforce IF THEY WISH to, at any time...

Are you seeing the light now?

I don't see the light.  I think it is a dark room you are in.  And they are not a private company.  Isthiswhat they told you in the meeting.  Being a not for profit organization is different from a private company. An entirely different set of laws and rules.  And do you enjoy working for a company that takes the hard earned money from yourfellow BB's and they don't pay any tax on it,yet your fellow BB's have to.  In fact any check from the IFBB has to pay Canadian and US taxes. 

BTW, the IFBB promotes blantant drug use more than any other industry in the world.  Godamm Chic, do you really not see it.  By not penalizing members for doing drugs, you are promoting the use of them more than if you sold them to the members themselves.  Don't tell me you don't see this. Are you truly this blind?  The IFBB is the biggest promoter of steroid use in the world.  They are the only oganization that promotes it.  Not upholding the rules is encouraging the breaking of them.  Another reason why the IFBB, Manion and the Weiders suck.

[mame09]

this is not in the defence of the ifbb or bob 

but has lee even followed the correct paths to get this problem fixed. you just cant say stuff like that on the radio and on message boards and expect the ifbb do what he says. what he should do is speak to the big cheese ben or joe weider (i dunno which is dead) and give him a warning and tell him to follw the rules or im going to sue your ass     i dont think the weiders know whats happenning to their company except what jim manion is telling them. if the weiders knew what they had built from the ground up is nothing more than a disgrace and a joke in the mainstreams eye i think he would enforce the rules very fast

[Adam Empire]

I've tried and tried and just cannot find any Official information in IFBB being an Official Non-Profit Organization in Canada.  I just checked the govt database - nothing.  How can this be.  If they were truely non-profit, they should have a BN/Registration Number and their books would be Open (like all other charities there).  Am I missing something here?

[jwb]

I've tried and tried and just cannot find any Official information in IFBB being an Official Non-Profit Organization in Canada.  I just checked the govt database - nothing.  How can this be.  If they were truely non-profit, they should have a BN/Registration Number and their books would be Open (like all other charities there).  Am I missing something here?

I think Tim said they were the IFBB for over 20 FREAKING years before the even registered as being in existence with the canadian goverment...

[Adam Empire]

I think Tim said they were the IFBB for over 20 FREAKING years before the even registered as being in existence with the canadian goverment...

If they did register I cannot find it anywhere.  Ane their books are public like all the other Charities, etc out there...

Why are they so hard to find in the govt database?  Are they in there?

[jwb]

no mention of the IFBB or even bodybuilding on the official "sports canada" website from what I could find...

http://www.pch.gc.ca/progs/sc/index_e.cfm

they even have a ski jumping federation!

[jwb]

doesn't look like sports quebec have the ifbb on their books as a federation either...

http://www.sportsquebec.com/sq/index_f.aspx?ArticleID=41

[Adam Empire]

CAn we write to them and ask for their non-profit ID number.  I think they have to give it our upon request... (pending they even have one).

[Mr. Intenseone]

no mention of the IFBB or even bodybuilding on the official "sports canada" website from what I could find...

http://www.pch.gc.ca/progs/sc/index_e.cfm

they even have a ski jumping federation!

Thats because it's not a sport!


Sorry, you just had to see that coming !

[Adam Empire]

Well - what the hell are they listed under?  Are they even considered "non-profit" by legal definition?  I don't see how they could be...

[onlyme]

Well - what the hell are they listed under?  Are they even considered "non-profit" by legal definition?  I don't see how they could be...

Look under "money laundering"

[DK II]

Look under "money laundering"

hahahaha.

is the ifbb connected with the mafia?

[timfogarty]

If they did register I cannot find it anywhere.  Ane their books are public like all the other Charities, etc out there...
Why are they so hard to find in the govt database?  Are they in there?

Dan Lurie paid a lawyer to do a record search.  Here is the report.  (pdf)

The official name is Federation Internationale Des Culturistes Incorporee

The registration number is 1143385228, formed Dec 30, 1969.  Most recent registration March 8, 1995.  Current corporate executives are Pamela Kagan, Ben Weider, and Eric Weider.   

Founding corporate executives were Ben Weider, Raymond Crepault and Jacqueline Roy

[onlyme]

I was born on Dec. 30

[gtbro1]

Chics explanation may be true but it sucks."Can be subject to..." that is bull shit.Why should one bodybuilder be held accountable and others not.That is basicvally what they are saying they "could" do if they wanted.