Author Topic: IFBB Rules? Is Lee Priest right? (Read 19603 times)

bmacsys · « **Reply #50 on:** August 03, 2006, 05:45:58 AM »

Quote from: Vince Basile on August 02, 2006, 05:35:43 AM

What is the situation in our beloved bodybuilding? There are no drug tests at the professional level. It is now common knowledge that every top competitor in the Olympia uses who knows what to compete. How in hell is bodybuilding going to be accepted if most use drugs and there is no testing? Answer: never!

The IFBB are now in a tight corner because the rival professional organization of DeMilia would attract open competitors is the IFBB seriously clamped down on drug use. You know, surprise testing 3 times a year for all competitors and life bans for usage. Life bans for synthol use, etc.

Vince, do you think bodybuilding could survive if NO drugs were allowed? After all the guys of your era, Arnold, Draper etc.. They all used drugs but in much smaller amounts and none of the HGH, insulin and dieretics. Wouldn't the physiques regress too far? Though I admit Reeves and Grimek, Sandow all were great physiques.

bigmc · « **Reply #51 on:** August 03, 2006, 05:51:03 AM »

If the drugs disApeared the ifbb would be left with egg on their face. How would they explain their athletes coming in 30 pounds lighter and softer.

They would be better admitting it happens and trying to prevent the use of the more harmful drugs like the diuretics and insulin.

bmacsys · « **Reply #52 on:** August 03, 2006, 05:53:45 AM »

Quote from: Saxon on August 02, 2006, 01:17:22 AM

You can win the Mr. O with clear and visable gyno (while claiming to be natural as well)

Franco in 1981 had bigger breast than most chicks do.

gibberj2 · « **Reply #53 on:** August 03, 2006, 05:55:53 AM »

Ronnie's gyno in 98 was pretty bad. I've even seen him in photoshoots with gyno.

Can the IFBB just take steroid use out of the rulebook? if it's against the law let each guy deal with the law at their own risk and the ifbb can just say it's none of their business.

bmacsys · « **Reply #54 on:** August 03, 2006, 06:11:03 AM »

Quote from: Lee_a_priest on August 03, 2006, 05:25:57 AM

But you dare go anywhere else to make some money and you are suspended.
Lee

OK PLAY BALL.

Lee, as you know this has the I.F.B.B.'s way forever. I remember Kent Keuhn being suspended in the 70's for competing in another organization. He complained he was just trying to make enough money to put food on his table. Then a guy with balls like Kal Szkalak tried to organize the bodybuilders but nobody stood with him. imagine if he was succsesful? bodybuilding may have been a very different sport today.

newmom · « **Reply #55 on:** August 03, 2006, 07:46:47 AM »

Quote from: sarcasm on August 03, 2006, 07:10:31 AM

hahahahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i just looked at your picture, what are you like 250lbs? you're mexican too right? i can't believe you've been talking so much shit looking the way you do.

no im italian and greek and did i say i was skinny and fit or pretty nope..have I ever called anyone on this board ugly not to my knowledge..am i overweight you damn skippy..is being a new mom at 4 mths new mom in that photo an excuse nope..but the thing is this..i can change the way my body works..so say what u wish thats fine did i hide my pictures nope..

mrsirjojo · « **Reply #56 on:** August 03, 2006, 08:00:31 AM »

Isn't what Lee is doing essentially what Cutler did, by hiring Johnnie Cochran when he got busted for diuretics? Didn't Cutler prove then and there that if the IFBB wanted to selectively punish someone, they'd have to be prepared to go all the way?

And who won that battle again?

bigmc · « **Reply #57 on:** August 03, 2006, 08:04:09 AM »

I think if Lee sticks to his guns the IFBB havent got a leg to stand on.

I hope he does if push comes to shove i think they will back down.

He will still get shafted if he does the Olympia

Vince B · « **Reply #58 on:** August 03, 2006, 09:26:30 AM »

Paul Graham is still with us last time I heard. He is doing well in Sydney and has a gym and business interests and a family to support. His son helps him in his gym.

Well, Lee, is like David vs the Goliath of the IFBB. Maybe a lone timely shot will succeed in bringing down this monstrosity of an organization? If change is not forthcoming then revolution is the only way it will occur. It just seems that the puppets are gesticulating and repeating themselves while the puppeteer is nowhere to be seen. The IFBB is in disarray and floundering. This is what happens to a declining institution that is no longer effective.

Chick · « **Reply #59 on:** August 03, 2006, 09:51:02 AM »

Quote from: Vince Basile on August 03, 2006, 09:26:30 AM

Paul Graham is still with us last time I heard. He is doing well in Sydney and has a gym and business interests and a family to support. His son helps him in his gym.

Well, Lee, is like David vs the Goliath of the IFBB. Maybe a lone timely shot will succeed in bringing down this monstrosity of an organization? If change is not forthcoming then revolution is the only way it will occur. It just seems that the puppets are gesticulating and repeating themselves while the puppeteer is nowhere to be seen. The IFBB is in disarray and floundering. This is what happens to a declining institution that is no longer effective.

The IFBB is in disaray and floundering?

Last I checked, we had more pro shows, bigger prize money, and better conditions for the athletes, than in any other era of pro bodybuilding...

bigmc · « **Reply #60 on:** August 03, 2006, 09:54:49 AM »

Where are the fans Bob slowly disapearing.

Its the fans that make the sport.

The shows are good and their are loads of pros but can you honestly say your happy with the size of the crowds.

Things need to change the sport should not be based on how many people will spend money on worthless supplements to keep the sport going

Chick · « **Reply #61 on:** August 03, 2006, 10:07:35 AM »

Quote from: bigmc on August 03, 2006, 09:54:49 AM

Where are the fans Bob slowly disapearing.

Its the fans that make the sport.

The shows are good and their are loads of pros but can you honestly say your happy with the size of the crowds.

Things need to change the sport should not be based on how many people will spend money on worthless supplements to keep the sport going

Bodybuilding has had it's ups and dows fan-wise, for many years now...

In the 60's is was a cult type following, the 70's brought light to the sport with the emergence of Arnold/ Lou, etc. and a peaked interest by the fitness industry,
the 80's was a boom with the supplement industry starting to cater to the growing number of fans and interest from the magazine business,huge numbers of competitors, clothing industry caters directly to BBers, ESPN coverage of major events, etc, etc,
the 90's werent as good as the 80's, but did see the supplement industry grow to a billion dollar industry and the EXPO's were born...

The Olympia had more people attend this last year than at any other Olympia in history.

I agree that things need to change...and I beliueve with those changes, we can have 15,000 people attend the Olympia instead of 6-7,000.

And you can read all about what changes I believe will have that impact....

In THE NEXT ISSUE OF FLEX MAGAZINE coming out soon!!!

bigmc · « **Reply #62 on:** August 03, 2006, 10:13:03 AM »

I dont buy flex anymore if i want tyranosauras pecs i do my own training programmes

You need to generate more media interest in the sport

everything lives or dies by the media

onlyme · « **Reply #63 on:** August 03, 2006, 10:46:29 AM »

Quote from: Chick on August 03, 2006, 09:51:02 AM

The IFBB is in disaray and floundering?

Last I checked, we had more pro shows, bigger prize money, and better conditions for the athletes, than in any other era of pro bodybuilding...

Chic, you are my buddy but I see what the problem is. You have Vince G Syndrome. That is something is soevident but you still fail to see it the way it really is. Like VInce sees a great body when he looks in the mirror or he thinks making $200 a month is sales is doing great. You see the IFBB as doing great and better than ever when just about 100% of others see it in it's reality. The IFBB has ruined BB. It is no better (even worse) than it was back in the 70's. Sure the prize money is higher, so is the price of bread. Better conditions, what are those? What happened earlier the competitors were being beaten. Chic the IFBB sucks. I swear I think the IFBB hired Chris Angel to hypnotize you so you see everything skewed.

Chick · « **Reply #64 on:** August 03, 2006, 11:14:54 AM »

Quote from: onlyme on August 03, 2006, 10:46:29 AM

Chic, you are my buddy but I see what the problem is. You have Vince G Syndrome. That is something is soevident but you still fail to see it the way it really is. Like VInce sees a great body when he looks in the mirror or he thinks making $200 a month is sales is doing great. You see the IFBB as doing great and better than ever when just about 100% of others see it in it's reality. The IFBB has ruined BB. It is no better (even worse) than it was back in the 70's. Sure the prize money is higher, so is the price of bread. Better conditions, what are those? What happened earlier the competitors were being beaten. Chic the IFBB sucks. I swear I think the IFBB hired Chris Angel to hypnotize you so you see everything skewed.

Come on Keith...

Talk to some of the old timers out there and ask them if they would have liked a $100,000 contract to train and compete and travel around signing autographs, and representinga company...

I agree that the attendance,media involvement, and money could be much better...but that's what I'm working on.

In the meantime, you can't discount the fact that the IFBB is the largest BB federation in the world, and has given a platform for many athletes to showcase their physiques, given exposure through their magazines, and provided a way to make a living from our sport to many athletes.

bigmc · « **Reply #65 on:** August 03, 2006, 11:18:31 AM »

how many bodybuilders outside the top ten make a good living from the sport

im not being sarcastic just curious

whats being done to improve media interest

onlyme · « **Reply #66 on:** August 03, 2006, 12:00:01 PM »

Quote from: Chick on August 03, 2006, 11:14:54 AM

Come on Keith...

Talk to some of the old timers out there and ask them if they would have liked a $100,000 contract to train and compete and travel around signing autographs, and representinga company...

I agree that the attendance,media involvement, and money could be much better...but that's what I'm working on.

In the meantime, you can't discount the fact that the IFBB is the largest BB federation in the world, and has given a platform for many athletes to showcase their physiques, given exposure through their magazines, and provided a way to make a living from our sport to many athletes.

Yea but Chic those are just natural progressions over any industry. Actors weren't paid any residuals back in the 60's and early 70's or before. Could you imagine the money the cast from Gilligans Island would have. That show is being played somewhere in the world every minute of the day. Sherwood made a ton off it. But every industry has some sort of progression. The money thing is always going to increase just from the cost of living. Hell guy playing pro baseball back in the 70's were barely making $35,000 a year most of them. The money is better but thats it.

newmom · « **Reply #67 on:** August 03, 2006, 12:35:18 PM »

hey sarcasm ask mike ergas, chick or lee what i looked like 2 years ago in austin at lee priest classic..i was my size 9 that i will get back too..i was never skinny nor want to be

Lee_a_priest · « **Reply #68 on:** August 03, 2006, 01:07:01 PM »

Quote from: newmom on August 03, 2006, 12:35:18 PM

hey sarcasm ask mike ergas, chick or lee what i looked like 2 years ago in austin at lee priest classic..i was my size 9 that i will get back too..i was never skinny nor want to be

No you were a nice tight size 9 everything where it should be.

newmom · « **Reply #69 on:** August 03, 2006, 01:09:33 PM »

aww u flatter me...not bad for a wanker huh...listen don't try and get on my good side.I don't have one anymore..

sarcasm · « **Reply #70 on:** August 03, 2006, 01:10:21 PM »

Quote from: newmom on August 03, 2006, 12:35:18 PM

hey sarcasm ask mike ergas, chick or lee what i looked like 2 years ago in austin at lee priest classic..i was my size 9 that i will get back too..i was never skinny nor want to be

you're right, sorry about my earlier posts, my knee was killing me and i had to squat but my workout went fine.

newmom · « **Reply #71 on:** August 03, 2006, 01:12:38 PM »

well that good your feeling well and no need to apologize, I dont hide nothing but u know what I need a little motivation and reading what u said was a good start so I thank u...now piss off..j/k

onlyme · « **Reply #72 on:** August 03, 2006, 01:21:32 PM »

I was just wondering. SInce the IFBB says competing with the PDI is a conflict of interest, I was thinking being a member of the IFBB and answering to Manion the President of the IFBB and represnting the members of the IFBB, is that not a conflict of interest.

jwb · « **Reply #73 on:** August 03, 2006, 01:22:27 PM »

Quote from: Chick on August 03, 2006, 11:14:54 AM

Come on Keith...

Talk to some of the old timers out there and ask them if they would have liked a $100,000 contract to train and compete and travel around signing autographs, and representinga company...

I agree that the attendance,media involvement, and money could be much better...but that's what I'm working on.

In the meantime, you can't discount the fact that the IFBB is the largest BB federation in the world, and has given a platform for many athletes to showcase their physiques, given exposure through their magazines, and provided a way to make a living from our sport to many athletes.

The problem you face Chick is that the more you make the sport grow and become accepted the more scrutiny the sport will be under and the faster the IFBB house of cards will fall in a heap.

It doesn't take long for someone to dig dirt on the federation or the bodybuilders we all know that.

The rule book needs to be re-written or enforced to give you and the suits ANY credibility whatsoever.

Fine, don't let people compete elsewhere but also don't let drug dealers/wife beaters/fraudsters/porn stars compete either if that is the case...

jwb · « **Reply #74 on:** August 03, 2006, 01:24:27 PM »

Quote from: bigmc on August 03, 2006, 10:13:03 AM

I dont buy flex anymore if i want tyranosauras pecs i do my own training programmes

You need to generate more media interest in the sport

everything lives or dies by the media

media interest equals media scrutiny.... the sport needs to clean house before it can grow