Chick You owe me an apology

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

You probably hold the record here for insulting people, though you do appear to have toned down that side of your character recently.
If you're so hell bent on attacking the flaws in the system, how come you never question the PDI?
Cancelled shows, bogus medical deals, alliance with a promoter who has still not paid athletes etc etc.
Not to mention the PDI Radio fiasco, oh I forgot, that was your fault

240 will be joining me on the Hornet's Nest Skype RadioBroadcast.......

[G o a t b o y]

Sigh....


Although there is no pictures or verifible evidence, since Tim Fogarty confirmed receiving an email from Bob, I'll concede that Rhino did indeed win the NABBA North America.  Although me and him do not get along, he's still the top dog when it comes to bodybuilding records and that he wouldn't lie about it.  That's enough proof for me


Rhino, I apologize for losing faith and having doubts about your bodybuilding career.  You are the 1996 NABBA North American Champion.

See Bob....  this is what real men do when they're wrong.

[onlyme]

Bob wouldn't take one tenth the shit he does on here if he'd just learn the phrase "I was wrong. My mistake."

For some reason, that particular phrase still eludes him.

That's what Manion and Weider has taught him.  Hang around the bad long enough, you catch it too.

[240 is Back]

240 will be joining me on the Hornet's Nest Skype RadioBroadcast.......

Sure man.  Tell us more about the purpose of your radio show.  I have to get skype.

[Matt C]

then do the same for ABA, NGA, NABF, NASF, WBFA, WNBF, and a dozen or so other organizations that never get mentioned in the bodybuilding mags.  might as well throw in half of all NPC contests, as there is little documentation for them either.   Like I said, you should remove all info you grabbed from my site from yours.

I really find it hard to believe that a letter from the president of an organization is not proof enough for you.  Something else is going on here.

I don't have the relationship with Bob that you do Tim, which is why my burden of proof may be slightly higher than yours.  Although I do have a great deal of trust with, so trusting Bob by proxy is not impossible with me.  You seem convinced so that goes a long way.  However, listing contest results on an internet website is a ways away from posting it on a personal resume.  I don't think it's a big deal if there is an error or two on your website - but I would expect that any personal resume would be devoid of such errors, and in this case, a little more than a letter would be nice.  In any event, I suppose acceptable evidence has been presented here, but you can't deny it isn't that great.  Passable, but if some doubt the evidence for one reason or another, I do find that acceptable.

It is sad how poor the mags are at covering shows.  I've been digging through my hundreds of mags to get more info for the files I have (e.g., specific purses, event times, etc), and they are not listed very well even for events as big as the 2001 masters.  FLEX did a lowly two page spread on it.

[sgt. d]

I hope this thread wont end up like the truce thread

[Matt C]

Tim is putting his rep as an internet bodybuilding expert on the line here, so I'll take his word for it since he is an unbiased speaker.

Note that plenty of people in this debate have a conflict of interest of some sort.

[Chick]

Yeah, lets take an email from Gruskin with some "USA Honor Roll" whatever that is....which could have been doctored easily, over a picture, a trophy, a photographer who was there, an official who was there, a fan who was there, other competitors in the top 5, a magazine with the results, a sponsor who was there, or a scoresheet for that matter...

Where was this "show" held, in Jack's basement?

This argument is a joke...

[G o a t b o y]

Yeah, lets take an email from Gruskin with some "USA Honor Roll" whatever that is....which could have been doctored easily, over a picture, a trophy, a photographer who was there, an official who was there, a fan who was there, other competitors in the top 5, a magazine with the results, a sponsor who was there, or a scoresheet for that matter...

Where was this "show" held, in Jack's basement?

This argument is a joke...

With his incredible inability to admit when he's wrong, I'm really surprised Bob wasn't asked to join the Bush administration.

[240 is Back]

Yeah, lets take an email from Gruskin with some "USA Honor Roll" whatever that is....which could have been doctored easily, over a picture, a trophy, a photographer who was there, an official who was there, a fan who was there, other competitors in the top 5, a magazine with the results, a sponsor who was there, or a scoresheet for that matter...

Have you contacted Bob Gruskin for proof, before you attacked Jack's reputation on the boards?

Where was this "show" held, in Jack's basement?

You're getting desperate.

This argument is a joke...

Um, wasn't it YOU that started this argument?

[Matt C]

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[240 is Back]

I think it's reasonable if Bob doesn't want to believe Bob G's evidence as confirmed by Tim. 

Thing is, it should be Bob's responsibility to contact Gruskin. 

Jack provided an email from Gruskin listing that years' winner.
Tim Fogarty, respected industry historian, verified the claim with Bob Gruskin.
Gruskin is the head of NABBA.

If Bob still isn't buying it, and still feels like attacking Rhion publicly, he should call up Gruskin and ask him personally.

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

Have you contacted Bob Gruskin for proof, before you attacked Jack's reputation on the boards?

You're getting desperate.

Um, wasn't it YOU that started this argument?

240, I can take the word of Tim because I trust his work and know him pretty well for a long time.  But 95% of people in world don't believe something until they see it.....period. 


Rhino hasn't helped himself regarding in proving himself and until he shows visible evidence, there will be a number of people who will not believe him. 

[Chick]

Have you contacted Bob Gruskin for proof, before you attacked Jack's reputation on the boards?

You're getting desperate.

Um, wasn't it YOU that started this argument?

No, It wasn't...people have been asking Jack for proof for 3 months now. I gave him the benefit of the doubt at first, but then he STILL wasn't able to quiet the doubters with a picture, etc.

[Chick]

Yeah, lets take an email from Gruskin with some "USA Honor Roll" whatever that is....which could have been doctored easily, over a picture, a trophy, a photographer who was there, an official who was there, a fan who was there, other competitors in the top 5, a magazine with the results, a sponsor who was there, or a scoresheet for that matter...

Where was this "show" held, in Jack's basement?

This argument is a joke...

How about answering any of the above questions 240...as usual, you're the great deflector.

[Woten]

Nearly twenty pages in and Bob [it has to be said] is far from on the ropes

controvesial

 

[Hedgehog]

Just post a god damn pic.

What's the deal?

YIP
Zack

[bigdumbbell]

winning a male physique beauty pageant like the promasters could be considered a joke too

[bigben280]

I just couldn't read this anymore and not reply--as i think this Jack guy is nice character and I believe that Chick a very positive attribute to IFFB as a rep. I have to comment on this.  Look I still have my fifth grade football trophy's, my old wrestling ribbons/trophy, pictures from high school-and i could find all that in a matter of minutes at my parents house, But something as important Overall Bodybuilding win which is the pinnacle of Jack's bodybuilding career, so far... (and i wish him many more).  This is very simple.

No trophy, No pictures,= no proof, no win, NO Pro. Sorry but this is the truth.  THE END.

[G o a t b o y]

I just couldn't read this anymore and not reply--as i think this Jack guy is nice character and I believe that Chick a very positive attribute to IFFB as a rep. I have to comment on this.  Look I still have my fifth grade football trophy's, my old wrestling ribbons/trophy, pictures from high school-and i could find all that in a matter of minutes at my parents house, But something as important Overall Bodybuilding win which is the pinnacle of Jack's bodybuilding career, so far... (and i wish him many more).  This is very simple.

Different things are important to different people.  I won a lot of sports trophys, etc when I was a kid and in high school, and I don't have the first clue where any of it is, or even if I still have any of it... I really couldn't care less.  Most people who become successful in non-sports-related fields, especially at age 40, are unlikely to be able to put their hands on old sports trophies.  It's only the losers who don't have anything else in their lives that cling to old plastic trophies.

[240 is Back]

Bob, you are one illogical, unfocused guy.

Rhino will post a pic if he wants to.  IMO, there will be some pricks here who will photochop it.  History shows it will happen.

If you don't believe Tim Fogarty, the NABBA World Championships, or NABBA President Bob Gruskin, I don't know what to tell you.

Now, let's think.  You're the IFBB athletes rep.  You're spending your evening (for the 7th evening in 7 days, right?) bashing a PDI guy.  

What have you done to improve the earning power of the IFBB athletes in the last 7 evenings?

[G o a t b o y]

What have you done to improve the earning power of the IFBB athletes in the last 7 evenings?

That's at least 7 nights the athletes haven't had to take collect calls from Bob begging then to attend his next "meeting".

[Mydavid]

 You're spending your evening (for the 7th evening in 7 days, right?) bashing a PDI guy.
What have you done to improve the earning power of the IFBB athletes in the last 7 evenings?

Probably more than you've done for your wife that's pregnant in the last 7 days...be nice.

Lisa

[Hedgehog]

What explanation has Jack London given for not posting a picture from the contest?

I feel bad for 240 or bust in this case BTW.

YIP
Zack

[240 is Back]

Probably more than you've done for your wife that's pregnant in the last 7 days...be nice.

Lisa

Um, i'm like hubby of the year, miss.   if i'm not cooking or cleaning, i'm hustling up new web business.  


and no stress, hedge.  I was staying out of it til I read a 3rd straight day of Bob Chick parading around with fake apologies and I had to interject that verification had come from Bob Gruskin.  I have avoided the recent battles and I intend to continue doing that. 

Bob, you have the proof.  If something between the NABBA president, a PDI athelte, and the PDI founder is keeping you up at night, well, so be it!