Chick it's too warm to be christmas

[Original Sin]

i've been trying to give Bobster the benefit of the doubt lately but this stuff with Jack is just insane, what is Bob's problem with Rhino? Rhino has proven that he won the show, just give him some credit Bob.

That won't happen
Bob is Bob.

[RHINO290]

i've been trying to give Bobster the benefit of the doubt lately but this stuff with Jack is just insane, what is Bob's problem with Rhino? Rhino has proven that he won the show, just give him some credit Bob.

It's all about the ifbb. They got Vince back, Vinny Back, now they are trying to discredit me.

Everybody knows I won the show.... fuck him.

[onlyme]

Not to be mean or anything but I am sure there is a little lealously going on here with Chic.  It took him what 15 years to turn pro and from what I have read he was given a huge gift at the Masters and didn't desrve the win.  And Jack has become a pro literally overnight and is now talked about on forums around the world and already has featured articles on him.  I can see where Chic could be a little jealous and is just expressing his frustrations.  I still like Chic and think he is a good guy, just a little misguided and dazed by the IFBB puppeteers.

[RHINO290]

Not to be mean or anything but I am sure there is a little lealously going on here with Chic.  It took him what 15 years to turn pro and from what I have read he was given a huge gift at the Masters and didn't desrve the win.  And Jack has become a pro literally overnight and is now talked about on forums around the world and already has featured articles on him.  I can see where Chic could be a little jealous and is just expressing his frustrations.  I still like Chic and think he is a good guy, just a little misguided and dazed by the IFBB puppeteers.

And finally, the truth.......

[Hedgehog]

I'm not going down this road, Bob. 
Gruskin verified that Jack won the overall and went on to compete at the Worlds, taking 3rd.

You've smeared jack with no proof.  You've insulted Gruskin's word.  You've insulted Tim Fogarty's MuscleMemory site's credibility.  you're now making up scenarios with zero proof which insult the legitimacy of the World Championships.  All for a cause which has nothing to do with you, which you won't accept a wager on. 

Stop acting like a fool.  you're 42 years old and you're making things up on mesage boards to bash someone from a rival federation.   Fucking pathetic.

A simple picture from the contest would do.

Regarding the accuracy of Fogarty's MuscleMemory.com... Why don't you ask Fogarty when he added the 1996 win for London?

BTW, I found this contest that London won:

http://www.nabba.com/keystone04.cfm

YIP
Zack

[Mydavid]

 You've insulted Tim Fogarty's MuscleMemory site's credibility. 

Not to be an instigator, 240, but i went to Muscle Memory yesterday in the morning (or maybe it was late Wednesday night) and inputed the name Jack London and nothing came up...i did that twice. Today i did it and there it was...the 2 shows that everyone is arguing about. My question is, are those the only 2 shows he's ever done because on most competitors in Musclememory.com it shows all the shows they've competed in even if they were not important. Does that make sense? Again, i have nothing against Jack (in fact i find him kinda cute ), I'm just stating a point.

Lisa

[240 is Back]

Not to be an instigator, 240, but i went to Muscle Memory yesterday in the morning (or maybe it was late Wednesday night) and inputed the name Jack London and nothing came up...i did that twice. Today i did it and there it was...the 2 shows that everyone is arguing about. My question is, are those the only 2 shows he's ever done because on most competitors in Musclememory.com it shows all the shows they've competed in even if they were not important. Does that make sense? Again, i have nothing against Jack (in fact i find him kinda cute ), I'm just stating a point.

Tim Fogarty verified it this week after Jack contacted Gruskin for the complete list.

He won nationals overall in 96, took 3rd at world championships in 97, then took a few years off before coming back at some 2003/2004 shows. 

The nationals win is a nationals win. 

[Mydavid]

Tim Fogarty verified it this week after Jack contacted Gruskin for the complete list.

He won nationals overall in 96, took 3rd at world championships in 97, then took a few years off before coming back at some 2003/2004 shows. 

The nationals win is a nationals win. 

I do believe his wins, i just was wondering why he was just now put into Musclememory.com. The shows in 2003/2004 are not on there.

Lisa

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

Tim Fogarty verified it this week after Jack contacted Gruskin for the complete list.

He won nationals overall in 96, took 3rd at world championships in 97, then took a few years off before coming back at some 2003/2004 shows. 

The nationals win is a nationals win. 

Yea, but all this is based on words of people.  There's no pictures, records, list of competitors, etc...anything which is where the problem is.  Rhino is hiding something but we don't know what it is.


240, don't you find it funny that there are no pictures, no list of competitors, no names of judges, or anything and that Rhino cannot remember one detail about the show despite it should be the biggest title he's won?

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

Not to be mean or anything but I am sure there is a little lealously going on here with Chic.  It took him what 15 years to turn pro and from what I have read he was given a huge gift at the Masters and didn't desrve the win.  And Jack has become a pro literally overnight and is now talked about on forums around the world and already has featured articles on him.  I can see where Chic could be a little jealous and is just expressing his frustrations.  I still like Chic and think he is a good guy, just a little misguided and dazed by the IFBB puppeteers.

Rhino is getting a lot of press but he's just the flavor of the week.  Another person will come along next month

[AVBG]

Bob is a jerk. He and his towel boy Vince G should show some respect to Rhino.

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

It's all about the ifbb. They got Vince back, Vinny Back, now they are trying to discredit me.

Everybody knows I won the show.... f**k him.

Fuck you too.

[what.]

Rhino is getting a lot of press but he's just the flavor of the week.  Another person will come along next month

The only press you'll ever get is when Grundy publishes those abortionesque contest pics in MuscleMag.    

[240 is Back]

My own personal guess is that -

1) Any pics he posts from 10+ years ago are going to get hated on by some obvious people here who tend to hate on anything Rhino does..  The physique he has today is obviously going to be way better - and marketable - than the physique he had 10 years ago.   It wil simply be more fodder for Bob and others.

From a marketing standpoint, jack has the most value with his current physique - 280 lbs+ at 5'8" - in his NOC form.  Nothing to gain, and everything to lsoe by pandering to anti-PDI types

This is just my own two cents, and I have no inside info I'm not sharing.  but I wouldn't post old pics.  I would verify my pro status with those that matter, then kick some ass at the NOC.  Anyone who complains about what someone else is doing in a federation having nothing to do with him, is just acting like a fool.

[Woten]

Yea, but all this is based on words of people.  There's no pictures, records, list of competitors, etc...anything which is where the problem is.  Rhino is hiding something but we don't know what it is.


240, don't you find it funny that there are no pictures, no list of competitors, no names of judges, or anything and that Rhino cannot remember one detail about the show despite it should be the biggest title he's won?

Vince, are you implying a nexus between the PDI and NABBA? a nexus that has at its heart a conspiracy based on 'fraudulently increasing PDI/NABBA stock value' by way of using fake 'winners' that have never won (perhaps even going so far as pulling these 'winners' from comps that never occurred?) thus allowing the PDI to fraudulently pump up its roster with the aforementioned fictitious winners? (which of course would be a great con to employ if the PDI found itself in the position of being ignored by most of the IFBB guys and desperately in need of a pumped up poster boy.. such as Jack)

I have to say, on paper such a scheme would be easy to pull off

TBH, there is fuck all to say that you are wrong here, the sheer lack of event footage leaves me suspicious

[ieffinhatecardio]

My own personal guess is that -

1) Any pics he posts from 10+ years ago are going to get hated on by some obvious people here who tend to hate on anything Rhino does..  The physique he has today is obviously going to be way better - and marketable - than the physique he had 10 years ago.   It wil simply be more fodder for Bob and others.

From a marketing standpoint, jack has the most value with his current physique - 280 lbs+ at 5'8" - in his NOC form.  

This is just my own two cents, and I have no inside info I'm not sharing.  but I wouldn't post old pics.  I would verify my pro status with those that matter, then kick some ass at the NOC.  Anyone who complains about what someone else is doing in a federation having nothing to do with him, is just acting like a fool.

Come on 240, do don't believe any of that drivel do you?

All he has to do is post a picture and he wins. Think about it, posting a picture will shut Chick up yet he won't do it. If this were anyone else you'd be all over him but because Jack is a part of the PDI is battling Chick you're siding with him.

This is rather disingenuous of you.

I will reiterate, Jack posting a picture of his win will SHUT EVERYONE UP INCLUDING CHICK.

[Crusher]

My own personal guess is that -


From a marketing standpoint, jack has the most value with his current physique - 280 lbs+ at 5'8" - in his NOC form.  Nothing to gain, and everything to lsoe by pandering to IFBB employees.


Ahhh.... Exqueeze me? 5'8" and 280 in NOC form?  You're smoking crack!  I saw Rino about a week ago.  Unless he's been eating cement blocks since then 280 is more of an exageration than Bob being better than Rusty.

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

Tim Fogarty verified it this week after Jack contacted Gruskin for the complete list.

He won nationals overall in 96, took 3rd at world championships in 97, then took a few years off before coming back at some 2003/2004 shows. 

The nationals win is a nationals win. 

If its a national win, then he should be an NABBA pro.  So why is he completing in lowly amatuer events.  He didn't place well at his last show

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

My own personal guess is that -

1) Any pics he posts from 10+ years ago are going to get hated on by some obvious people here who tend to hate on anything Rhino does..  The physique he has today is obviously going to be way better - and marketable - than the physique he had 10 years ago.   It wil simply be more fodder for Bob and others.

From a marketing standpoint, jack has the most value with his current physique - 280 lbs+ at 5'8" - in his NOC form.  Nothing to gain, and everything to lsoe by pandering to anti-PDI types

This is just my own two cents, and I have no inside info I'm not sharing.  but I wouldn't post old pics.  I would verify my pro status with those that matter, then kick some ass at the NOC.  Anyone who complains about what someone else is doing in a federation having nothing to do with him, is just acting like a fool.

   And I won the 2004 Metrolina.....

[240 is Back]

Woah, slow down.  nothing disingenious of me.  

If Jack posts a pic and doesn't look good, what will happen?  Vince, Bob, and others will likely post this 1996 photo in an attempt to discredit the PDI.  Am I wrong?  

it's his choice to post or not.  My own opinion is that the more mystery and vagueness a guy has, the better marketablity he has.  Once you have 10,000 pics of a guy, there is no reason to open up a thread for a new pic of him.

Chick will never shut up, and he will never admit he's wrong.  He's obviously wrong here, so he got quiet.  Gruskin gave the proof.  Jack did the Worlds the following year.  I don't know how one does the worlds without qualifying and manages to hack Gruskin's email and give Joe Tete amnesia in the same day.  But these events would have had to happen.

[240 is Back]

In another vein Jack claims that he is the first PDI pro on his website but all the official PDI press releases from Wayne says Lee is the first.  How can Jack make that claim if the owner / head of the PDI contradicts him.  If Jack can make such an obviously wrong claim I put nothing past him.  Breaking the trust that he did with Vinny Galanti for his owns gains is what I am basing my opinion of Jack on.

I built the website.  jack was the first man to publicly announce it.  lee was the biggest name and thus Wayne's choice as the first athlete to announce. 

When you start a BBing federation, you can announce guys in any order you please

[240 is Back]

So shouldn't the site still be changed? 

Hell and No.

Jack was the first athlete to publicly announce his intention to jump to the new Pro Division, Inc. 

The press releases have come out as Wayne saw fit, and following contract signings.  Just like they don't announce the Olympia competitors in the order they signed or announce, they announce them by the biggest names.  lee priest and vince taylor were the two biggest names, so they were announced first. 

[ieffinhatecardio]

Woah, slow down.  nothing disingenious of me.  

If Jack posts a pic and doesn't look good, what will happen?  Vince, Bob, and others will likely post this 1996 photo in an attempt to discredit the PDI.  Am I wrong?  

it's his choice to post or not.  My own opinion is that the more mystery and vagueness a guy has, the better marketablity he has.  Once you have 10,000 pics of a guy, there is no reason to open up a thread for a new pic of him.

Chick will never shut up, and he will never admit he's wrong.  He's obviously wrong here, so he got quiet.  Gruskin gave the proof.  Jack did the Worlds the following year.  I don't know how one does the worlds without qualifying and manages to hack Gruskin's email and give Joe Tete amnesia in the same day.  But these events would have had to happen.

Again, you can't be serious. You think people are going to see a picture of Jack from 10 years ago and hold it against the PDI?

It was 10 friggin years ago, no one is going to hold it against the PDI. You need a new or at least better thought out excuse.

I know you're pro PDI and anti Chick but you have to come up with better excuses than these.

I'm all for the PDI as well but I don't think it's going to work with the level of competition it's been able to attract. Your defense of Jack in the face of valid criticism doesn't make you look good.

Post a picture of the win and shut everyone up, hell everyone wants to see him give Chick a beating.

[swilkins1984]

If I may make a suggestion....I believe someone said that perhaps Jack doesn't want to post a picture from 10 years ago because he might get some criticism from getbiggers.  How about he PM the evidence directly to Bob, request confidentiality of the pictures/whatever evidence, and Bob will apologize as he said?  No one has to see anything on the boards and the problem will be solved between Bob and Jack.  Without pictures, a call from Gruskin to Bob, a post by Gruskin himself there will always be a layer of disbelief on the boards and this conflict will continue.

[dorkeroo]

f**k you too.

Every now and then your cousin comes on again eh?