Move to get the IFBB rules followed!

[sarcasm]

Lee,

Do you wish that the IFBB was moved to become totally natural?

Since you say you do VERY well off of drugs, you would perhaps easily be Mr. Olympia, while your competitors would shrink off into oblivion.

If you could make this happen, would you?

hahahahaha, can you imagine Dave henry off the sauce, hahahahahhaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[The True Adonis]

hahahahaha, can you imagine Dave henry off the sauce, hahahahahhaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh boy hahahah that would be brutal.

He would have to go back to wearing baby GAP.

[Lee_a_priest]

Lee,

Do you wish that the IFBB was moved to become totally natural?

Since you say you do VERY well off of drugs, you would perhaps easily be Mr. Olympia, while your competitors would shrink off into oblivion.

If you could make this happen, would you?

Yes i have always said i would not have a problem at all.I say test all of us all year round i dont care it would be fun and exciting.Then we would see who the champions are and the drug bodies are.

[The True Adonis]

Yes i have always said i would not have a problem at all.I say test all of us all year round i dont care it would be fun and exciting.Then we would see who the champions are and the drug bodies are.

Exactly.

You would own them all for sure.  I would love to see it.  It would certainly weed out the Heinz Senors, Rodney Saint Clouds and Mark Drugdales and Phil Heaths, paving the way for real bodybuilding that the fans can actually grasp and relate to since the majority are natural and would never even think about using what the pros use.

Plus it would validate which supplements are worth a shit and which companies people should be buying from.

Muscletech would probably go bankrupt..hahhah

[sarcasm]

Exactly.

You would own them all for sure.  I would love to see it.  It would certainly weed out the Heinz Senors, Rodney Saint Clouds and Mark Drugdales and Phil Heaths, paving the way for real bodybuilding that the fans can actually grasp and relate to since the majority are natural and would never even think about using what the pros use.

Plus it would validate which supplements are worth a shit and which companies people should be buying from.

Muscletech would probably go bankrupt..hahhah

you mean Cell Tech isn't 2,463 percent better than regular creatine, Adonis?

[Krankenstein]

Exactly.

You would own them all for sure.  I would love to see it.  It would certainly weed out the Heinz Senors, Rodney Saint Clouds and Mark Drugdales and Phil Heaths, paving the way for real bodybuilding that the fans can actually grasp and relate to since the majority are natural and would never even think about using what the pros use.

Plus it would validate which supplements are worth a shit and which companies people should be buying from.

Muscletech would probably go bankrupt..hahhah

Adam...this has always perplexed me when it comes to competitive bodybuilders....for those that claim so much without the use of drugs....why not go to some of the natural organizations and simply CLEAN UP when it comes to the shows.  A couple of years back I remember K(C)athy Unger competing in the WNBF....as well as Jose Guzman....werent they IFBB pros??  I am sure there were others....but why not go that route is beyond me....


Chick....one quick question....when it comes to a rule book...shouldnt it be followed no matter who it is or what they have done?  Do they classify the rules like they do felonies? (ex: posing nude is a misdemeanor   while competing in another organization a class III felony). 

You keep spouting off that you dont enforce the rules....but as the "athletes represenative" you should be going to bat for them, or no? 

[The True Adonis]

Adam...this has always perplexed me when it comes to competitive bodybuilders....for those that claim so much without the use of drugs....why not go to some of the natural organizations and simply CLEAN UP when it comes to the shows.  A couple of years back I remember K(C)athy Unger competing in the WNBF....as well as Jose Guzman....werent they IFBB pros??  I am sure there were others....but why not go that route is beyond me....


Chick....one quick question....when it comes to a rule book...shouldnt it be followed no matter who it is or what they have done?  Do they classify the rules like they do felonies? (ex: posing nude is a misdemeanor   while competing in another organization a class III felony). 

You keep spouting off that you dont enforce the rules....but as the "athletes represenative" you should be going to bat for them, or no? 

That is Very interesting to note...

And Chick, as a representative, isn`t  your job as a go between(The IFBB officials and bodybuilders) to ensure that rules are being followed?

It seems that since you don`t play by the rules yourself, you have no interest in trying to get them enforced.

At least Lee would be willing to actually follow ALL the rules and bring some kind of legitimacy to Bodybuilding.   It sure needs it.

[buffbodz]

Lee,

Do you wish that the IFBB was moved to become totally natural?

Since you say you do VERY well off of drugs, you would perhaps easily be Mr. Olympia, while your competitors would shrink off into oblivion.

If you could make this happen, would you?

This is the only way the general public is going to accept bodybuilding as a sport, not a circus freak show.  Hay IFBB.  Want to be taken seriously by the people who have $$$?  Want to go mainstream in that you can aspire to compete with the best in the world.  Do what every other major sport in the world is doing.  TEST ATHLETES YEAR ROUND.  It's not hurting baseball 1 bit.  It makes people respect the hard work it takes to attain a world class physic, not inject it.  Take the drugs out, put everyone on an even playing field and I'd bet the top ten wouldn't change that much.  The true genetic freaks would be back and people would pay to see that.

[nycbull]

Female bodybuilding has been a thorn in the side of male bodybuilding for years. In fact it is one of the main reasons much of the public disdains the entire sport. What kind of federation would allow these women to compete while also doing porn? And what kind of person continues to work with the IFBB with these kinds of ethics? The IFBB and the entire industry is morphing with the porn industry. That should be a top concern for any Athlete Rep. Chick is passing the buck like everyone else at the IFBB. The collaboration between muscle and porn will make a quick buck for the current soldiers of the industry, while destroying the sport for the rest of us for years to come.


If what Chick says is true, that the IFBB can enforce whatever rules they want to, and currently allow porn within its ranks, then it must also be true the IFBB has little respect for the morals and ethical standards of its fans across America. There is an inherent trust that fans show to the IFBB by going to their shows and buying into their industry but obviously the IFBB thinks they can abuse that trust. They must think we are all fools.

[Chick]

This is the only way the general public is going to accept bodybuilding as a sport, not a circus freak show.  Hay IFBB.  Want to be taken seriously by the people who have $$$?  Want to go mainstream in that you can aspire to compete with the best in the world.  Do what every other major sport in the world is doing.  TEST ATHLETES YEAR ROUND.  It's not hurting baseball 1 bit.  It makes people respect the hard work it takes to attain a world class physic, not inject it.  Take the drugs out, put everyone on an even playing field and I'd bet the top ten wouldn't change that much.  The true genetic freaks would be back and people would pay to see that.

Bodybuilding in general is considered a "circus freak show"...are you trying to say that the general public would all of a sudden become interested if it was LESS of a freak show?

There have been Natural show's for years, drug tested, etc...They don't even appeal the the bodybuilding fans, let alone the general public.

Speaking of baseball....when WAS baseball hurting? When Sosa and Mac were battling for the homerun title? When the "bash bros." were lighting up the HR scoreboard? When this whole steroid scandle broke out? The fans have NEVER stopped going to games or buying merchandise,the sponsors have never pulled the advertising dollars because they think there is a steroid problem...and the fans could generally give a shit, they are looking to see a good game, competition, and home runs...they have no vested interest in what the players are taking or not taking.

As you stated, "Take the drugs out, put everyone on an even playing field and I'd bet the top ten wouldn't change that much."....EXACTLY. Nothing changes.

To think that by drug testing, droves of fans would suddenly start to take an interest in a sport they have no interest in anyway, is ridiculous...
 

[The True Adonis]

Bodybuilding in general is considered a "circus freak show"...are you trying to say that the general public would all of a sudden become interested if it was LESS of a freak show?

There have been Natural show's for years, drug tested, etc...They don't even appeal the the bodybuilding fans, let alone the general public.

Speaking of baseball....when WAS baseball hurting? When Sosa and Mac were battling for the homerun title? When the "bash bros." were lighting up the HR scoreboard? When this whole steroid scandle broke out? The fans have NEVER stopped going to games or buying merchandise,the sponsors have never pulled the advertising dollars because they think there is a steroid problem...and the fans could generally give a shit, they are looking to see a good game, competition, and home runs...they have no vested interest in what the players are taking or not taking.

As you stated, "Take the drugs out, put everyone on an even playing field and I'd bet the top ten wouldn't change that much."....EXACTLY. Nothing changes.

To think that by drug testing, droves of fans would suddenly start to take an interest in a sport they have no interest in anyway, is ridiculous...
 

You don`t know what in the fuck you are talking about.  TONS AND TONS OF FANS have turned their backs on the steroid using baseball players.  They had a huge ass banner for Barry Bonds ridiculing him, throwing syringes on the field and booing him.  He gets no respect really from the older guys.

You don`t know shit Bob.

[jaejonna]

As you stated, "Take the drugs out, put everyone on an even playing field and I'd bet the top ten wouldn't change that much."....EXACTLY. Nothing changes.

 

How bout the fact that cause no one would use steroids to compete for the Mr. Olympia it will stop that kid somewhere out there pondering wheather or not to use juice ?? Those are the people who suffer from Steroids the most, the guys who puch themselves, no steroids in BB will mean less people in the public using anabolics... but then again thats nothing right >??

[The True Adonis]

The sponosors no longer have contracts with Bonds either.

They don`t want anything to do with him.

Bob, you are one delusional man.

[Chick]

You don`t know what in the f**k you are talking about.  TONS AND TONS OF FANS have turned their backs on the steroid using baseball players.  They had a huge ass banner for Barry Bonds ridiculing him, throwing syringes on the field and booing him.  He gets no respect really from the older guys.

You don`t know shit Bob.

The ballpark is jampacked, sells out...doesn't look to me like anyone is turning their back.

BTW, are you trying to say the idiots throwing stuff on the field DIDN'T buy tickets to get in?

[swilkins1984]

The ballpark is jampacked, sells out...doesn't look to me like anyone is turning their back.

BTW, are you trying to say the idiots throwing stuff on the field DIDN'T buy tickets to get in?

Good point...

[jaejonna]

Steroids being investigated in Baseball has nothing to do with selling tickets, its a moral thing.  Uhhhh Duhhhh

[The Showstoppa]

Bonds is a dickhead. I think all the negative publicity is great. hahaha

[nycbull]

Bodybuilding in general is considered a "circus freak show"...are you trying to say that the general public would all of a sudden become interested if it was LESS of a freak show?

There have been Natural show's for years, drug tested, etc...They don't even appeal the the bodybuilding fans, let alone the general public.

Speaking of baseball....when WAS baseball hurting? When Sosa and Mac were battling for the homerun title? When the "bash bros." were lighting up the HR scoreboard? When this whole steroid scandle broke out? The fans have NEVER stopped going to games or buying merchandise,the sponsors have never pulled the advertising dollars because they think there is a steroid problem...and the fans could generally give a shit, they are looking to see a good game, competition, and home runs...they have no vested interest in what the players are taking or not taking.

As you stated, "Take the drugs out, put everyone on an even playing field and I'd bet the top ten wouldn't change that much."....EXACTLY. Nothing changes.

To think that by drug testing, droves of fans would suddenly start to take an interest in a sport they have no interest in anyway, is ridiculous...
 

Strange to hear an Athletes Rep concur that the public sees his industry as circus freak show. Other than that I agree with this post. Banning steroids would kill it all together. Bodybuildig should follow the Ms America model and require its members to be model citizens. That means no porn and to do something good for society. How great would it be to see a bunch of bodybuilders building homes for the homeless, or helping fix our eroded National parks, or rebuilding cities after a natural disaster, doing public service announcements that benefit animals, supporting research for muscular dystrophy or other muscle wasting diseases, encouraging our children to stay away from junk food and exercise more. How great would that be?

[nycbull]

All the while committing a felony by using,posessing and selling steroids.    Great role model.

That wouldn't matter these days. We have celebrities and athletes, behaving badly, breaking laws and such all the time(recreational drugs, stealing, adultery, drunk driving) however when the do things for charity all is forgiven. Everyone used to think Bill Gates was a rich capitalistic pig who broke business laws left and right, but give a few million to charity and all is forgiven.

Same with most filthy rich business men the public knows they break laws all the time but as long as they give back the public will forgive their indiscretions past and present.

I am not saying this is morally right but if that is how the game is played then why shouldn't bodybuilding learn from it.

[timfogarty]

That said, how 'bout offering a protein powder w/o artifical sweeteners?  Sucralose isn't as bad as aspartame, but you should still offer an unsweetened or a sugar or stevia sweetened version.

trueprotein.com

I buy all my protein there specifically because I can get it without any sweetener.

[jaejonna]

Chick how do you get your steroids? Is it legal ? I sure as hell know it aint all Egg Whites International

[HUGEPECS]

There should be a rule that Mandy Blank have to do hardcore scenes.

And that jennifer girl too. Too bad there isn't NPC rules discussed. I know a few rules I'd liked to have implemented regarding some female Getbiggers.

YIP
Zack

hmmm..Mandy Blank doing hardcore scenes? I'd buy her collections

[Chick]

Chick how do you get your steroids? Is it legal ? I sure as hell know it aint all Egg Whites International

*IF* I were to engage in the use of AAS, It would be with the supervision of a doctor and legally perscribed.

[DonDan]

Yo! Wasn't it you who referred to the fans as the "peanut gallery"? You are even MORE blind than I realized. That last shot must have done you in. Taking the drugs out of the sport would change everything! The fans would see REAL bodybuilders and not pumped up steroid monsters 2 steps away from a death bed.

You can't have it both ways. That is UNLESS you're the IFBB or one of it's cronies. The rules state and I'm paraphrasing here: to do all that is possible to ensure the athletes compete fairly and not use performance enhancement substances. We all know they're not talking about Weider powder. They're talking about controlled substances which are illegal to possess much less use if not by perscription. Plain and simple. Didn't they teach you anything as a sheriff? Oh I forgot. You quit. Was it because bodybuilding/doping was more important or were you going to fail a urine test so you beat them to it?

What an arrogant pissant you are to assume the IFBB is the bodybuilding universe. There's a whole world out there full of natural bodybuilders and organizations who litterally laugh at the IFBB and their athletes. There are plenty of fans that go to natty shows. MORE so than IFBB fans. Don't believe me? Show up at one. Nah, you'll never do that. That would be admitting there is a whole other world out there and then you'd realize you're just a small fish in a pond and not the whale you think you are. I just love kodak moments don't you. Oh and yes bob, I know you're from Rochester, but the kodak I'm talking about ain't that.

[Vince B]

Bob, you have plenty of power as do the collective of the professional bodybuilders. If you all agreed on changes and wouldn't compete unless those changes were done then you might see a different scene.

In 1980 many of the competitors felt the Olympia was fixed. There was talk about a boycott of the next Olympia but enough guys competed and that was the last time anyone boycotted major contests. All that happened was that weaker guys won instead of guys who were next in line. The psychology is always the same for a subjective sport. It doesn't pay to stand out or go against the majority. Anyone who does risks placing low or out of the money.

You insist that Lee will be suspended if he competes in the NOC. Lee has a point and he has nailed you to the wall with his logic. You should be getting the professional guys onside and forging a new IFBB. The lads here clearly see that your role is that of a busboy and you are more of a company than union man. Matter of fact I think you have a conflict of interests. We do owe you a debt for reinforcing what the IFBB says. By the way, who is the IFBB? Are you saying that it is Manion?