Move to get the IFBB rules followed!

[buffbodz]

Bodybuilding in general is considered a "circus freak show"...are you trying to say that the general public would all of a sudden become interested if it was LESS of a freak show?

There have been Natural show's for years, drug tested, etc...They don't even appeal the the bodybuilding fans, let alone the general public.

Speaking of baseball....when WAS baseball hurting? When Sosa and Mac were battling for the homerun title? When the "bash bros." were lighting up the HR scoreboard? When this whole steroid scandle broke out? The fans have NEVER stopped going to games or buying merchandise,the sponsors have never pulled the advertising dollars because they think there is a steroid problem...and the fans could generally give a shit, they are looking to see a good game, competition, and home runs...they have no vested interest in what the players are taking or not taking.

As you stated, "Take the drugs out, put everyone on an even playing field and I'd bet the top ten wouldn't change that much."....EXACTLY. Nothing changes.

To think that by drug testing, droves of fans would suddenly start to take an interest in a sport they have no interest in anyway, is ridiculous...
 

What I'm saying Chick is that if the ticket buying public knew that the competitors were drug free and we're not talking some local natural show, we're talking the Mr. Olympia, the top show with the top bodybuilders in the world.  Let the world know that these athletes achieved their physics with hard work, good genes and proper, healthful dieting, then, maby then professional bodybuilding will be accepted as  fan friendly wholesome family entertainment that fans would flock to.  Imagine how many people just out of curiosity would attend to see how many of the old school are still doing it and how they look without a boatload of drugs pumping through their body's?  I know more than a few fans that would really like to see top level professional bodybuilding, without knowing Ronnie will be the biggest and Jay will be #2 same old shit.  Is the sport that complacent that it can rest on it's laurels and keep it status quo?  The Feds, sooner or later will mandate.  Why don't you beat them to it?

[jaejonna]

*IF* I were to engage in the use of AAS, It would be with the supervision of a doctor and legally perscribed.

Well thats the problem, unlike many pros, regular people dont have ..how do you say...recommended doctors to go to for thier legal prescription of AAS. They ussually resort to the duchebags like Greg Anderson or the Local Juice head at the gym.

[timfogarty]

*IF* I were to engage in the use of AAS, It would be with the supervision of a doctor and legally perscribed.

actually you'd need about a dozen doctors, as prescribing more than a reasonable therapeutic dose could get the doctor in trouble with the medical board, if not the DEA.   and that would be doctor shopping on your part, which is still illegal.

[HUGEPECS]

Well thats the problem, unlike many pros, regular people dont have ..how do you say...recommended doctors to go to for thier legal prescription of AAS. They ussually resort to the duchebags like Greg Anderson or the Local Juice head at the gym.

it sounds like most IFBB pro's are natural...ha,ha,ha,ha

[timfogarty]

The Feds, sooner or later will mandate.  Why don't you beat them to it?

if the feds were to step in, its more likely the top contests would simply move to other countries.

[LLES]

*IF* I were to engage in the use of AAS, It would be with the supervision of a doctor and legally perscribed.

& we believe that one Chick.

[jaejonna]

*IF* I were to engage in the use of AAS, It would be with the supervision of a doctor and legally perscribed.

So the Masters World champion was a Natural that was in April wanst it

[Chick]

Yo! Wasn't it you who referred to the fans as the "peanut gallery"? You are even MORE blind than I realized. That last shot must have done you in. Taking the drugs out of the sport would change everything! The fans would see REAL bodybuilders and not pumped up steroid monsters 2 steps away from a death bed.

You can't have it both ways. That is UNLESS you're the IFBB or one of it's cronies. The rules state and I'm paraphrasing here: to do all that is possible to ensure the athletes compete fairly and not use performance enhancement substances. We all know they're not talking about Weider powder. They're talking about controlled substances which are illegal to possess much less use if not by perscription. Plain and simple. Didn't they teach you anything as a sheriff? Oh I forgot. You quit. Was it because bodybuilding/doping was more important or were you going to fail a urine test so you beat them to it?

What an arrogant pissant you are to assume the IFBB is the bodybuilding universe. There's a whole world out there full of natural bodybuilders and organizations who litterally laugh at the IFBB and their athletes. There are plenty of fans that go to natty shows. MORE so than IFBB fans. Don't believe me? Show up at one. Nah, you'll never do that. That would be admitting there is a whole other world out there and then you'd realize you're just a small fish in a pond and not the whale you think you are. I just love kodak moments don't you. Oh and yes bob, I know you're from Rochester, but the kodak I'm talking about ain't that.

No, clueless idiots like yourself were referred to as the "peanut Gallery"...justfied by your continued posts.

The only urine tests that were given, were from the police academy...which anyone who didn't pass, would have been excluded before ever starting, genius...

I've been to plenty of Natural shows, and know many natural athletes that THEMSELVES, admit that the interest is next to zero...nothing but friends and family in attendance. The public chooses who they wish to support, and what federations...not me.

Great, you know I'm from Rochester...congratulati ons!

[ieffinhatecardio]

*IF* I were to engage in the use of AAS, It would be with the supervision of a doctor and legally perscribed.

This has always interested me, how does someone go about finding a doctor that is willing to prescribe steroids? And how much extra does it cost. Does such a doctor require say $3,000 extra a month on top of his typical fees?

Also, is it worth the extra money to know that the drugs are legal?

Hypothetically speaking of course.

[Chick]

Bob, you have plenty of power as do the collective of the professional bodybuilders. If you all agreed on changes and wouldn't compete unless those changes were done then you might see a different scene.

In 1980 many of the competitors felt the Olympia was fixed. There was talk about a boycott of the next Olympia but enough guys competed and that was the last time anyone boycotted major contests. All that happened was that weaker guys won instead of guys who were next in line. The psychology is always the same for a subjective sport. It doesn't pay to stand out or go against the majority. Anyone who does risks placing low or out of the money.

You insist that Lee will be suspended if he competes in the NOC. Lee has a point and he has nailed you to the wall with his logic. You should be getting the professional guys onside and forging a new IFBB. The lads here clearly see that your role is that of a busboy and you are more of a company than union man. Matter of fact I think you have a conflict of interests. We do owe you a debt for reinforcing what the IFBB says. By the way, who is the IFBB? Are you saying that it is Manion?

Sorry Vince, things have changed a bit from 1970...as I've stated before, you're out of the loop and prove it by your posts.

Just what did lee "nail me to the wall" with? I don't make the rules...I explain them.

Stick with those neat little stories you like to tell...

[onlyme]

*IF* I were to engage in the use of AAS, It would be with the supervision of a doctor and legally perscribed.

I swear to god I was eating my Cheerios and one came out of my nose with milk.  I swear I laughed so hard I almost choked.  I swear Chic, you are one funny guy today.  That's another reason why I like you.  Man that was funny

[DonDan]

No, clueless idiots like yourself were referred to as the "peanut Gallery"...justfied by your continued posts.

The only urine tests that were given, were from the police academy...which anyone who didn't pass, would have been excluded before ever starting, genius...

I've been to plenty of Natural shows, and know many natural athletes that THEMSELVES, admit that the interest is next to zero...nothing but friends and family in attendance. The public chooses who they wish to support, and what federations...not me.

Great, you know I'm from Rochester...congratulati ons!

I post because I'm an insider fan of bodybuilding, not a bob fan. Oh are you saying that as LEO, you weren't subject to random urinanalysis. Next thing you know you'll try to debate me on the merits of a Terry stop.

[Chick]

I post because I'm an insider fan of bodybuilding, not a bob fan. Oh are you saying that as LEO, you weren't subject to random urinanalysis. Next thing you know you'll try to debate me on the merits of a Terry stop.

What the hell are you talking about??

[Lee_a_priest]

Listen all i am am saying is if i get suspended.Which i have no problem with if i am breaking the rules then all who break them should also be be suspended or fined.They can't be subjective and pick and choose.Why even have the rules then?I have been in the pros now for 13 years and never once had a drug test for steroids,diuretics yes.Even at that show they tested for clenbuterol and i forgot and took it up to the show and still passed(so i am guessing the test wasnt real).The whole porn shit,ciminal activity and the other crap seems far worse to me then competing in another federation to make extra money while you can.It's the fear tactics the IFBB use that is why more haven't gone over.What would a guy who has been competing in the IFBB for years never made a dollar have to loose by going over? contract maybe,pic in flex or muscle and fitness,It's crazy the shit the IFBB will pull to scare the athletes and sponsors not to go to the PDI.

So enforce or the rules or get rid of them.Suspend me and we will have our day in court if the IFBB lets it get that far.I have the time and backing.That's right i will not back down so bring it .The books will open all will come out and what a fun time it will be.So who ever reads this go tell the IFBB or if the people involved read this good.I am not going anywhere your scare tactics are nothing to me.Everything is being set in motion as the time approaches the IFBB will have more press and tv time then ever before.Always good to have god friends in the news buisness always comes in handy .

[jaejonna]

Lee you will have a good chance in court

[Lee_a_priest]

Lee you will have a good chance in court

IF THE IFBB EVEN GET THAT FAR.

[jaejonna]

IF THE IFBB EVEN GET THAT FAR.

True they could always settle, which is what I would do if I were them to cut the losses...mabey like a 1 million dollar settlement ?

[Lee_a_priest]

True they could always settle, which is what I would do if I were them to cut the losses...mabey like a 1 million dollar settlement ?

I would take a dollar just to prove a point about thier rules.

[The True Adonis]

Listen all i am am saying is if i get suspended.Which i have no problem with if i am breaking the rules then all who break them should also be be suspended or fined.They can't be subjective and pick and choose.Why even have the rules then?I have been in the pros now for 13 years and never once had a drug test for steroids,diuretics yes.Even at that show they tested for clenbuterol and i forgot and took it up to the show and still passed(so i am guessing the test wasnt real).The whole porn shit,ciminal activity and the other crap seems far worse to me then competing in another federation to make extra money while you can.It's the fear tactics the IFBB use that is why more haven't gone over.What would a guy who has been competing in the IFBB for years never made a dollar have to loose by going over? contract maybe,pic in flex or muscle and fitness,It's crazy the shit the IFBB will pull to scare the athletes and sponsors not to go to the PDI.

So enforce or the rules or get rid of them.Suspend me and we will have our day in court if the IFBB lets it get that far.I have the time and backing.That's right i will not back down so bring it .The books will open all will come out and what a fun time it will be.So who ever reads this go tell the IFBB or if the people involved read this good.I am not going anywhere your scare tactics are nothing to me.Everything is being set in motion as the time approaches the IFBB will have more press and tv time then ever before.Always good to have god friends in the news buisness always comes in handy .

You have mine and ALL the real fans support.  Anything we can do to help?

[timfogarty]

I would take a dollar just to prove a point about thier rules.

and a declaration that the IFBB "will not impose any sanctions upon or otherwise penalize or punish or threaten to impose any sanctions upon or otherwise penalize or interfere in any way with any persons on account of that persons' participation in any physique contest" sanctioned by another organization, "whether such person participates as an athlete, a promoter, or a sponsor".

Manion shouldn't have a problem with that, as he's agreed to it before.

[Lee_a_priest]

and a declaration that "the IFBB will not impose any sanctions upon or otherwise penalize or punish or threaten to impose any sanctions upon or otherwise penalize or interfere in any way with any persons on account of that persons' participation in any physique contest" sanctioned by another organization, "whether such person participates as an athlete, a promoter, or a sponsor".

Manion shouldn't have a problem with that, as he's agreed to it before.

 

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

Just read the new MD with Ramano interviewing Denise Masino.Ok Bob go read that and tell me why the rules aren't upheld there.Read ut first then give me your opinion.I have nothing against Denise or any other girl doiong the nudes or XXX videos,or girl on girl action but the rules do state..........Don't they Bob and we know how the IFBB is a stickler for the RULES.

[sandstone]

Yo Bob. I read your posts and i honestly feel bad for you sometimes. Man you get slammed all the time. Its no suprise that im a big Priest supporter but it still hard to read all the attacks.


ALL OR NOTHING WITH THE RULES. I know you dont make em though

[jwb]

and a declaration that the IFBB "will not impose any sanctions upon or otherwise penalize or punish or threaten to impose any sanctions upon or otherwise penalize or interfere in any way with any persons on account of that persons' participation in any physique contest" sanctioned by another organization, "whether such person participates as an athlete, a promoter, or a sponsor".

Manion shouldn't have a problem with that, as he's agreed to it before.

Damn straight the IFBB would lose in court...

[cornebb]

Listen all i am am saying is if i get suspended.Which i have no problem with if i am breaking the rules then all who break them should also be be suspended or fined.They can't be subjective and pick and choose.Why even have the rules then?I have been in the pros now for 13 years and never once had a drug test for steroids,diuretics yes.Even at that show they tested for clenbuterol and i forgot and took it up to the show and still passed(so i am guessing the test wasnt real).The whole porn shit,ciminal activity and the other crap seems far worse to me then competing in another federation to make extra money while you can.It's the fear tactics the IFBB use that is why more haven't gone over.What would a guy who has been competing in the IFBB for years never made a dollar have to loose by going over? contract maybe,pic in flex or muscle and fitness,It's crazy the shit the IFBB will pull to scare the athletes and sponsors not to go to the PDI.

So enforce or the rules or get rid of them.Suspend me and we will have our day in court if the IFBB lets it get that far.I have the time and backing.That's right i will not back down so bring it .The books will open all will come out and what a fun time it will be.So who ever reads this go tell the IFBB or if the people involved read this good.I am not going anywhere your scare tactics are nothing to me.Everything is being set in motion as the time approaches the IFBB will have more press and tv time then ever before.Always good to have god friends in the news buisness always comes in handy .

vote for lee 
Lee mate, you've hit the nail on its head!