Move to get the IFBB rules followed!

[Lee_a_priest]

The dumbest part about this entire thing is that Lee wants all the rules enforced and everyday he willingly breaks them. 

This is hypocrisy at its best!

Yes and i have said suspend me but then you must also suspend others.Shit i amit to using anabolic always have so suspend me for that but then we must suspend the others as well.Its simple you can't single one person out when others are breaking the rules as well.

[timfogarty]

The IFBB is a federation (sports) that has shareholders in which the Weiders were majority stock holders. They control everything or did.  They are registered in Canada as a not for profit company.

How is it a sports federation?  Does that term even have any legal meaning?  In the US it does not.  Who are the shareholders?  Where is it publicly traded?    If it's not publicly traded, then they are a privately heald corporation as I stated.

The amateur division may act like a federation, as each country has their own independant chapter.  These national chapters have autonomy.    But there are no chapters on the pro side of things.

[Chick]

Bob i missed one meeting was Shawn at them all? No i am not doing it for me i am doing it for other athletes get the rule changed then see how many go over to compete.As long as they have fear they will not go.So read all my articles before you comment i have always said it was not for me.You know the articles where i tell the truth about drugs and politics and everything else in this sport.So get your facts before running off at the mouth again.Do you forward your posts to the IFBB and say "look did i do good? did i do good huh huh did i?" rollover get a cookie

My facts are dead on the money, lee...

The point was (which you missed), was that you didn't attend because you were thinking about YOU and YOUR show, not of the other athlete's...just as they are now. They don't care about what YOU are trying to do...get it? Why would you expect them to back you now?

What other athlete's are you doing it for? NO ONE has shown any interest in going over and competing under Wayne, except for you. I guess we'll see how many others come forward at the athletes meeting...What fear would there be?
 Tell you what, I'll make it a anonymous vote...guys can write what they want to do on a slip of paper and drop it in a box...no one will know exactly WHO is interested, just how many are.

Get the other athlete's on your side, and maybe you've got something...until then, you're a one man army, blowing smoke and getting nothing accomplished for anyone but yourself.

[onlyme]

My facts are dead on the money, lee...

The point was (which you missed), was that you didn't attend because you were thinking about YOU and YOUR show, not of the other athlete's...just as they are now. They don't care about what YOU are trying to do...get it? Why would you expect them to back you now?

What other athlete's are you doing it for? NO ONE has shown any interest in going over and competing under Wayne, except for you. I guess we'll see how many others come forward at the athletes meeting...What fear would there be?
 Tell you what, I'll make it a anonymous vote...guys can write what they want to do on a slip of paper and drop it in a box...no one will know exactly WHO is interested, just how many are.

Get the other athlete's on your side, and maybe you've got something...until then, you're a one man army, blowing smoke and getting nothing accomplished for anyone but yourself.

Chic, you are wrong there.  Obviously you ARE NOT in the know as much as you think.  Like I said on here awhile back I talked to a few IFBB pros (in the top 25) who were at the Anaheim show and they told me the biggest thing any of them were talking about was the PDI and how it would be good to switch.  No competitor is happy with the IFBB.  That is a fact.  Excpt you of course and Ronnie and Jay and less than 5 others.  That is called a minority.  And remember you too are a one many army.  It has been proven time and time agian by the attendance at your meetings you call.

[ToxicAvenger]

so the prize money remains the same...

and ya "clean" up the womens side..


wonderfull!  why dont we just plain go into their houses and take away their food...

[Chick]

Chic, you are wrong there.  Obviously you ARE NOT in the know as much as you think.  Like I said on here awhile back I talked to a few IFBB pros (in the top 25) who were at the Anaheim show and they told me the biggest thing any of them were talking about was the PDI and how it would be good to switch.  No competitor is happy with the IFBB.  That is a fact.  Excpt you of course and Ronnie and Jay and less than 5 others.  That is called a minority.  And remember you too are a one many army.  It has been proven time and time agian by the attendance at your meetings you call.

That's great Keith...and their silence to me, or someone that can make a difference will keep them doing exactly what they've been doing.

If these guys ain't making a living in the IFBB, then why the silence?? What have they got to lose by just going over to the PDI, anyways? Makes absolutely no sense...

I would encourage you, as you seem to have the pulse of the bodybuilders, to contact them and make sure they attend the  meeting to cast their vote....

[onlyme]

Another thing I am pondering.  It took Chic first forever to turn Pro.  But he did it and great for him.  Not sure how low it took him to have his first win though.  Maybe someone can tell me.  CHic got hired as the Athletes rep by the IFBB or Manion (same thing).  As the rep he should 100% 110% focus his energy on improving the careers of the members. Nothing else.  That is what a rep does.  They work for the member.  Every rep in every industry does this.  Except Chic

Examples:  Lee- instead of seeing what he can do to change the rule all he does is interpret (his own words) the rules and explain to Lee (everyday) how he will get suspended.  I can't see where he has anytime to put together a proposal in writing to the IFBB explaining the benefits of letting members compete in other contests to make additonal money.  Now his fight is no other organization lets there members do that.  I think Ron even comes on and compares this scenario with fraternities on campus (which I am sure he is just doing as a joke cause no one would take that analogy serious).  The problem with Chics argument is that the members of other organizations aren't allowed todo that.  The reason they don't is because they are making money, are happy with there situation, or don't care.  IN BB, they are not making the money, they are not happy, and maybe they do not care.

No matter what the case may be, Chic should be working on getting the rule changed, modified or deleted.  But he is not not anything at all except defending the IFBB which IS NOT what a rep does.

The Colorado Pro pay checks is another example of not doing his job and proof he is not truly a ahtletes rep.  Instead of asking why this happened and making sure the money was there and the paperwork was done properly he comes on here defending the promoter by posting a letter he typed himself but said he got from the bank.  I asked to see the actual document many times and he could never come up with the actual document.  His defense was it was the banks fault.  Which is a huge cop-out.  It was obvious someone didn't do their job and make sure everything was in place and the competitors were paid on time.  How come he did not make sure the IFBB had the prize money prior to the show like they require in the rules.  How come he didn't make sure every person who was bounced a check (and their were many) didn't get any other bank fees paid and restitution to the possible companies that the people might have written a check too that bounced becasue the Colorado check bounced.  Instead he came on here defending the promoter instread of the athlete.

This is a transcript from the tape recorder found in Chic 1974 Pinto.  

ring, ring
Manion: Manion's Mansion
Bob: Dad?
Manion: Hey Bobbo
Bob: I have a question
Manion: Wait a minute I gotta wipe my ass.  You know these pages of the IFBB RUle Book make great toilet paper. Hey I have something to ask you.
Bob: What?
Manion: Bob we need a rep.
Bob: but I don't sing, I am a Hollywood actor
Manion: I said rep not rap.
Bob: Oh. I'm listening dad
Manion: We need someone who we can USE to do the dirty work and make us look good.
Bob: But I thought Wayne did that
Manion: Yea well all of a sudden he got a conscience
Bob: Well dad you know I don't have a conscience
Manion: Yes I know, thats why I called you.
Bob: No I called you.
Manion: You did?
Bob: Yea I was calling you to see when I can win my first pro show
Manion: Well I think I have an answer to that.  If you become the rep I will make sure you win a show, but only one.  Anymore than that people might start talking we fix contests
Bob: That's funny dad, why would anyone think that?  You are the most honest person ever.
Manion: That's why you are perfect for the job Bob, you are impartial.
Bob: Not sure what that means but if it means not knowing what goes on behind my back then that's me.
Manion: Okay you're hired
Bob: Great! How much does it pay?
Manion: Son, unless you know something I don't, we haven't changed our rule of not paying people.  You will do this for the love of the IFBB and me.  No matter what happens I'll be behind you.  Even it is way behind you I am there.  But no matter what you know the IFBB is there for the members and we do everything we can to make them as much money as possible. (a little chuckle)
Bob: Yes I know dad.  I will uphold the title with no dignity and no honor.  You can count on me.
Manion: Just remember just give me a call on the "Bullshit Phone" when you are cornered and don't know the answer.  Generally just use something that makes the IFBB sound great. Okay
Bob: Okay I can do that.  I am a Hollywood actor.  I can........
Manion: Yea Yea Bob I know.
Bob: One more thing dad
Manion: What
Bob: Is there a way I can win 2 shows.
Manion: Don't press your luck Bob.  Enter the Masters and we can give you that one.  But only if you make us look good and keep all those Internet Peanut Gallery guys off our backs.  
Bob: Thats a funny one dad.  Peanut Gallery.  Can I use that one.  I want people to think I thought of that. Can I can I.
Manion: yea go ahead and use it.  Bye Bob
Bob: Bye dad.

[nycbull]

ring, ring
Manion: Manion's Mansion
Bob: Dad?
Manion: Hey Bobbo
Bob: I have a question
Manion: Wait a minute I gotta wipe my ass.  You know these pages of the IFBB RUle Book make great toilet paper. Hey I have something to ask you.
Bob: What?
Manion: Bob we need a rep.
Bob: but I don't sing, I am a Hollywood actor
Manion: I said rep not rap.
Bob: Oh. I'm listening dad
Manion: We need someone who we can USE to do the dirty work and make us look good.

lol..hey maybe Hollywood should remake "Mr. Smith Goes to Washington" staring Chick and Manion. The script sounds good so far.

[Lee_a_priest]

My facts are dead on the money, lee...

The point was (which you missed), was that you didn't attend because you were thinking about YOU and YOUR show, not of the other athlete's...just as they are now. They don't care about what YOU are trying to do...get it? Why would you expect them to back you now?

What other athlete's are you doing it for? NO ONE has shown any interest in going over and competing under Wayne, except for you. I guess we'll see how many others come forward at the athletes meeting...What fear would there be?
 Tell you what, I'll make it a anonymous vote...guys can write what they want to do on a slip of paper and drop it in a box...no one will know exactly WHO is interested, just how many are.

Get the other athlete's on your side, and maybe you've got something...until then, you're a one man army, blowing smoke and getting nothing accomplished for anyone but yourself.

Oh hi i am Bob let me pat myself on my back some more .The things you got changed were going to be changed anyway why not put the new IFBB puppet up to look like he did for the athletes to get thier trust.Fear of being suspended,blackballed .You and i have been around long enough to know the politics in the sport.If you say that dosen't exsist then you truly have lost your balls.Come on Bob that doing it just for me dosen't fly that the best you can do try and attack my character?good try but not working buddy.I can bring those Sterod videos which i and Mr Olympia did for Tom Platz and a few other Mr O competitors are on there say what drugs we use.Yes some faces were blurred but not the bodies oh did i mention the copy i have shows the faces uncut.Yep the good old video evidence again mmm dosen't that go against the rules.Like i have said lets go to court i am ready and there is countless other stuff on video and in the mags going against the rules.So tell the blue blazers lets do it.Oh wait they read this board all the time so to you i say hello.Thinking i am bluffing?then call it

[sandstone]

Another thing I am pondering.  It took Chic first forever to turn Pro.  But he did it and great for him.  Not sure how low it took him to have his first win though.  Maybe someone can tell me.

Im following this heated debate and have been suprised at how smart and articulate (not me) the parties involved are including you, but i fail to see how this issue of Bobs' record has anything at all to do with the argument. I might be missing something besides a grammar lesson that i need badly.

[sandstone]

I can bring those Sterod videos which i and Mr Olympia did for Tom Platz and a few other Mr O competitors are on there say what drugs we use.Yes some faces were blurred but not the bodies oh did i mention the copy i have shows the faces uncut.Yep the good old video evidence again mmm dosen't that go against the rules.Like i have said lets go to court i am ready and there is countless other stuff on video and in the mags going against the rules.So tell the blue blazers lets do it.Oh wait they read this board all the time so to you i say hello.Thinking i am bluffing?then call it

Damn now thats a video id like to see, something tells me its not gonna be on the next Bodybuilders Reality DVD. Mabey ill check the new release section of blockbuster in a few weeks.

[kmhphoto]

The Colorado Pro pay checks is another example of not doing his job and proof he is not truly a ahtletes rep.  Instead of asking why this happened and making sure the money was there and the paperwork was done properly he comes on here defending the promoter by posting a letter he typed himself but said he got from the bank.  I asked to see the actual document many times and he could never come up with the actual document.  

You are the only person who goes on and on and on and on and on and on and on about the Colorado Pro. There was an error. It was rectified and nobody is complaining except you, with almost every post.
If you're that concerned about the athletes and their payments, ask the PDI if there will be checks in the envelopes that they hand out on stage, and if not will the guys have to wait as long as they used to for payment.

[onlyme]

You are the only person who goes on and on and on and on and on and on and on about the Colorado Pro. There was an error. It was rectified and nobody is complaining except you, with almost every post.
If you're that concerned about the athletes and their payments, ask the PDI if there will be checks in the envelopes that they hand out on stage, and if not will the guys have to wait as long as they used to for payment.

You never know Kev, I might have been hired to keep the Colorado Pro name out there.  Kind of like you are with the PDI.

[kmhphoto]

You never know Kev, I might have been hired to keep the Colorado Pro name out there.  Kind of like you are with the PDI.

Did you find out if there will be checks in the envelopes?
If not, will you be complaining about it on here? I know you take an active interest in the financial side of other peoples business.

[Vince B]

Keith, you are a funny guy. Bob is funny, too, but doesn't know it. I used to have some strange guys train at my gym and I made heroes out of them. Well, that is what the gym business is like some times and you need to keep yourself amused or you will go nuts when guys come in and tell you they don't want to get big and all that crap. Some of those oddballs were true misfits and I used to tell them just to be themselves and not try to be funny because then they weren't funny at all. Sorta like our dear Bob, here. We all love Bob and admire the way he salutes the flag everyday and stands up for the American way. The IFBB sure know how to pick their personel. Are there any photos of Bob wearing his official, sanctioned, respectable blue blazer? Ben did try to bring something good into bodybuilding and his contribution will be the blue blazers of the officials and judges. When I go to contests I am always impressed that the judges are better dressed than the casual looking audience. I see those guys looking official and I know they have to take an oath to try to think like everyone else in the organization.

Bob continues to paint Lee as the thorn in the side of the IFBB and the errant person who needs to be punished for breaking a holy rule that the IFBB has enforced because it is good for bodybuilding. I think that having a professional division and special rules has contaminated the sport forever. I dislike the idea that competitors have contracts with the organization that is supposed to be running the contests. There is a conflict of interest here and it stinks and will continue to stink until some independence of the judging and judges happens.

Lee is holding a good hand. Let us bring our popcorn and watch how this saga unfolds.

[Chick]

Oh hi i am Bob let me pat myself on my back some more .The things you got changed were going to be changed anyway why not put the new IFBB puppet up to look like he did for the athletes to get thier trust.Fear of being suspended,blackballed .You and i have been around long enough to know the politics in the sport.If you say that dosen't exsist then you truly have lost your balls.Come on Bob that doing it just for me dosen't fly that the best you can do try and attack my character?good try but not working buddy.I can bring those Sterod videos which i and Mr Olympia did for Tom Platz and a few other Mr O competitors are on there say what drugs we use.Yes some faces were blurred but not the bodies oh did i mention the copy i have shows the faces uncut.Yep the good old video evidence again mmm dosen't that go against the rules.Like i have said lets go to court i am ready and there is countless other stuff on video and in the mags going against the rules.So tell the blue blazers lets do it.Oh wait they read this board all the time so to you i say hello.Thinking i am bluffing?then call it

Nice cop out Lee...

The things I got changed were going to be "changed anyway"?? WOW, What a coincidence....nothing changed for 40 years until I made it happen, but I guess they were going to be changed anyways?? Now you're sounding stupid...

Bring out your steroid video's, lee...If you think they'll do something for you...go for it. Let's just make you the defender of all the rules...gather up all the athletes you believe to be breaking rules, write them all down and submit them to the IFBB...Get them ALL suspended, Lee...that will show 'em!!

Why do you keep threatening ME with bringing this to court? I could honestly give a rats ass if you file a lawsuit aginst the IFBB or not. That's YOUR perogative (like Bobby Brown)....

Any of the top guys aint interested in going over, any of the other guys can go if they wish. If they're not making any money in the IFBB anyway, WHAT DO THEY HAVE TO LOSE?? Where's the fear of being suspended, blackballed, etc., if they don't wan't to be with the IFBB in the first place?

[sandstone]

I could honestly give a rats ass if you file a lawsuit aginst the IFBB or not. That's YOUR perogative (like Bobby Brown)....

ROFL..

[Lee_a_priest]

Nice cop out Lee...

The things I got changed were going to be "changed anyway"?? WOW, What a coincidence....nothing changed for 40 years until I made it happen, but I guess they were going to be changed anyways?? Now you're sounding stupid...

Bring out your steroid video's, lee...If you think they'll do something for you...go for it. Let's just make you the defender of all the rules...gather up all the athletes you believe to be breaking rules, write them all down and submit them to the IFBB...Get them ALL suspended, Lee...that will show 'em!!

Why do you keep threatening ME with bringing this to court? I could honestly give a rats ass if you file a lawsuit aginst the IFBB or not. That's YOUR perogative (like Bobby Brown)....

Any of the top guys aint interested in going over, any of the other guys can go if they wish. If they're not making any money in the IFBB anyway, WHAT DO THEY HAVE TO LOSE?? Where's the fear of being suspended, blackballed, etc., if they don't wan't to be with the IFBB in the first place?

Because Bob i have emailed the IFBB and get no response from Jim about me going to the PDI.So i know you and him talk so i address you to pass it on that's why.It's not about getting them all suspended it's about the IFBB rules and if broken people must be punished.Yes  if i break them punish me and the others no playing favorites with the rules here.They are clean cut as you and Shawn keep saying and we the athletes signed on for it so they must abide as well.Hey if i never compete in the IFBB again so be it but i will make my point before i leave . Win the crowd win your freedom 

[swilkins1984]

Win the crowd win your freedom 

Maximus! Maximus! 

[Lift Studios]

You never know Kev, I might have been hired to keep the Colorado Pro name out there.  Kind of like you are with the PDI.

Make sure your check clears before keeping the name out there too much. 

[Lee_a_priest]

Did guys seem happier pre-Manion or in the current era int he IFBB?

People including myself had problems with the IFBB and Wayne back then.But look the shows were better.Don't even mention how the Olympia has fallen from grace.

[swilkins1984]

Lee,

Why throw away YOUR IFBB career that you have established over all these years for athletes not even willing to stand with you when you need their voice the most?  Its like they are saying "help us make change....but I will lend you no support". Its hard to help those who refuse to even try to help themselves first.   

[swilkins1984]

I remember being younger and seeing more stuff on television and not to mention better physiques back then.  I loved it more then.

I feel you on that man. During the Dorian era conditioning and muscle mass reached its peak. Now the muscle is greater but the conditioning is not quite as good.  Its coming back around though...

[Lee_a_priest]

Lee,

Why throw away YOUR IFBB career that you have established over all these years for athletes not even willing to stand with you when you need their voice the most?  Its like they are saying "help us make change....but I will lend you no support". Its hard to help those who refuse to even try to help themselves first.   

I WOULD RATHER THROW IT AWAY AND HAVE MY DIGNITY KNOWING I NEVER CHANGED OR BOWED DOWN.THEN TO STAND WITH A BUNCH OF GUYS WHO COMPLAIN THEN KISS ASS.MAKES ME SICK WHAT THESE GUYS WILL DO TO NOT ROCK THE BOAT.WHAT HAPPENDED TO BEING RESPECTED FOR WHO YOU ARE.BE YOURSELF GUYS STAND UP.WE HAVE THE POWER TO MAKE CHANGE WITHOUT US THE IFBB DOSE NOT EXSIST. REMEMBER THAT.NEXT TIME YOUR BACKSTAGE BEING PUSHED AROUND AND RUSHED OUT ,TELL  THEM GO AHEAD START WITHOUT US 
ALL I CAN SAY IS I AM WHO I AM.YOU LIKE ME FINE YOU DON'T THAT'S FINE ALSO LIFE GOES ON.

[Vince B]

Lee knows how the IFBB works. He also knows that with the current officials he ain't gonna win the Olympia. I think everyone has to decide for himself where and when to compete and in which organization. Everyone is self-interested and does what benefits him most. So, Lee is doing the PDI and hopes to get a fairer go than in many of the IFBB contests. Everyone knows that if you go against the IFBB you don't win contests or you might even get that 8th placing like Bev and Sergio got. If Lee is suspended the other pros are 'glad' because they move up a place because he is not there. That is how it works and all the competitors know this and that is why they don't make waves.

Rule 1 in the IFBB wanna win manual is to obey all directions by officials.

Rule 2. If in doubt see Rule 1.