Move to get the IFBB rules followed!

[240 is Back]

There is no flip flopping...same as always.

First off, I have no standards to go by...I'm free to run my meetings as I wish, as often as I wish, with whatever manner I see fit. I like the athletes to have a say in what gets proposed...I CHOOSE to have it by the majority...I at least have to see an interest by others, as I represent the group. So far, there is none.

wow.

[Chick]

wow.

I know...I'm amazed as well at the complete lack of support for Lee's cause!

[240 is Back]

I know...I'm amazed as well at the complete lack of support for Lee's cause!

maybe they saw the warm welcome that Lee received from his athletes rep when he came forward.  They didn't want to get labeled by the very man designated to protect their rights.

just a theory tho. who knows...

[Chick]

maybe they saw the warm welcome that Lee received from his athletes rep when he came forward.  They didn't want to get labeled by the very man designated to protect their rights.

just a theory tho. who knows...

Or maybe they don't trust Wayne...or maybe they don't see the great big pot of gold at the end of the PDI rainbow...or maybe they see that there are rank amateurs being given pro cards...or maybe they don't want to throw the years they've invested down the toilet...or maybe they don't want to be fined everytime they turn around....

Need more?

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

maybe they saw the warm welcome that Lee received from his athletes rep when he came forward.  They didn't want to get labeled by the very man designated to protect their rights.

just a theory tho. who knows...

Maybe they don't want to be screwed by Wayne again, 240.  You ever thought of that


Vince Taylor smelled bullshit and left
Vince Galanti smelled bullshit and left
Vince Goodrum already knew Wayne was full of shit.



Most likely they found that it was a sinking ship from the start

[Lee_a_priest]

But you are still Lees rep also and he wants a ruled changed so you should try to help him get it changed.

Yes  it would be nice if the rule was changed but if not.Suspend me but also suspend those who are also breaking rules that's all.Oh Bob and as of right now i am still a IFBB athlete.

[befit124]

Lee, will you round up enough votes for the secret ballot Bob has offered

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

Yes  it would be nice if the rule was changed but if not.Suspend me but also suspend those who are also breaking rules that's all.Oh Bob and as of right now i am still a IFBB athlete.

Chick is the athlete's rep.  Notice the plural element of it, sunshine???



Chick works for the benefit of the athletes as a whole.  Not for one person, Lee.  You are the only IFBB pro in the PDI.  Do you see anyone else around? 





Boy....

[timfogarty]

Chick is the athlete's rep.  Notice the plural element of it, sunshine???

No, that would be athletes' rep. 

athlete's is singular possessive

[befit124]

Bob helped Don Long, that is one person whos life could be in danger.

[mrsirjojo]

No, that would be athletes' rep. 

athlete's is singular possessive

I think the source of most of the confusion, and animosity towards Bob, is the question of whether Bob is the Athletes' Rep, or the IFBB Athletes' Rep. The two are not nearly the same position. In the former's case, his priority would be to look out for the athletes as an independent agent, who presumably, gets a percentage of their winnings/salary from union fees, salaries and winnings. In the latter's case, he would be a salaried, or otherwise compensated IFBB employee whose interest would lie with the IFBB first and foremost.

[Chick]

I think the source of most of the confusion, and animosity towards Bob, is the question of whether Bob is the Athletes' Rep, or the IFBB Athletes' Rep. The two are not nearly the same position. In the former's case, his priority would be to look out for the athletes as an independent agent, who presumably, gets a percentage of their winnings/salary from union fees, salaries and winnings. In the latter's case, he would be a salaried, or otherwise compensated IFBB employee whose interest would lie with the IFBB first and foremost.

Well, your half right.

I am the IFBB Athletes Representative. While it is not a paid position, nor do I derive any compensation from the IFBB (or otherwise).

My responsibility is to represent the IFBB athletes interests as a whole, and express them to the suits, thus giving us a voice to be heard where previously, we had none.

While I can appreciate Lee's position, it's not my responsibility to make it possible for him to compete in a DIFFERENT federation, nor more than it's not my job to make sure his car insurance is the best rate, or whether he should tattoo the other side of his face...

[mrsirjojo]

Well, your half right.

I am the IFBB Athletes Representative. While it is not a paid position, nor do I derive any compensation from the IFBB (or otherwise).

My responsibility is to represent the IFBB athletes interests as a whole, and express them to the suits, thus giving us a voice to be heard where previously, we had none.

Clearly then, the athletes would have to ban together and agree (and tell you) that the rule about competing elsewhere is unfair, to them. So why won't they do that? And are they allowed to voice their opinions unanimously? They don't receive a salary from the IFBB, right? What possible reason could they have for not wanting the chance to do extra shows for extra money? Fear of not getting paid even if they do well in a PDI show? Apathy towards group meetings? Too proud to win a trophy in what is perceived as a weaker federation? Fear of lower placings in the IFBB?

[Chick]

Clearly then, the athletes would have to ban together and agree (and tell you) that the rule about competing elsewhere is unfair, to them. So why won't they do that? And are they allowed to voice their opinions unanimously? They don't receive a salary from the IFBB, right? What possible reason could they have for not wanting the chance to do extra shows for extra money? Fear of not getting paid even if they do well in a PDI show? Apathy towards group meetings? Too proud to win a trophy in what is perceived as a weaker federation? Fear of lower placings in the IFBB?

Exactly...I've offered (to lee) to have a completely anonymous vote taken to determine if the IFBB athletes see any value in being allowed to compete in rival federations.

I can give you a whole bunch of reasons they may not wan't to...

1.) There are enough IFBB shows to compete in

2.) Few guys compete more than 2-3 times a year, anyway.

3.) There isn't enough money being offered by rival federation, and certainly no guarantee to get paid...especially given the fact that one of the PDI promoters has already stiffed the top 5 from his LAST show.

4.) Many of the IFBB athletes have contracts with major supplement companies, which are major sponsors of IFBB/NPC shows...thats where their money is best spent, and that's where they want their athleetes representing.

5.) There is a pride issue, and sense of accomplishment that goes hand in hand with earning a IFBB Pro card...competing against amateurs which have not earned that right doesn't sit well with them.

6.) Veteren IFBB bodybuilders don't trust Wayne as far as you can throw him, given his past track record and athlete relations...he wasn't on the athletes side then, why trust him now?

[bigmc]

good points bob

but its going to be interesting to see how the athletes react if the pdi show is a success i think thats what the ifbb are scared of

[Chick]

good points bob

but its going to be interesting to see how the athletes react if the pdi show is a success i think thats what the ifbb are scared of

Hard to define "success"...Wayne isn't accountable to anyone except himself. There is no way to know how many PAID tickets as opposed to COMPTED...If I were Wayne I'd be giving away tickets like free car washes to make it look ass busy as possible.

Lack of visual sponsors would be telling, even if Wayne is financing this out of his own pocket...even he wouldn't last too long without major backing for overhead/ purse.

There will be a curiosity factor being the first PDI show, after that (if there is another show) the fans would dictate whether they liked it and will continue to support, or if they thought it was a joke and simply don't return...

All this is nothing more than speculation since we have no reason to believe this show will go on, anymore than the others that have been canceled...time will tell.

[Vince B]

Bob said:My responsibility is to represent the IFBB athletes interests as a whole

Whatever does this mean, Bob? Do you have some description of your position as rep? Representing a group of bodybuilders does not mean you represent a consensus but the collective interests of bodybuilders. It is not up to you to assess whether a bodybuilder's concerns has merit although common sense has to be used.

I should think that meetings do not have to be called all the time. That is inconvenient for some and so on. Can you or have you used email to gather opinions? You could even get groups in messenger and all will be able to contribute and vote, etc.

You sound like a fair guy and someone who is trying to do the right thing. However, many here see that you are not doing what YOU think is right but what others have also told you what to do. I think that is quite transparent and you daily reinforce that impression by repeating yourself and how you cannot do this and that and so on. Who is on the Pro committee beside JM?

You should be able to assess what many on this site feel about the IFBB's rule about not being able to compete in another organization unless it is sanctioned. Apparently judges cannot judge in other organizations, either, and I find that preposterous. Judging should be separated from such restrictions but we all know how the IFBB likes to control the competitors and everyone else involved in their organization. I was involved in an organization and we drew up rules to benefit bodybuilders. We felt they should be treated with respect at all times and they were allowed to compete wherever they liked. I honestly believe the IFBB acts like a control freak and is damaging bodybuilding and not doing the right thing for most bodybuilders.

Let us take the issue of lack of support for Lee Priest's opinion that pros be allowed to compete where they like. Would we expect Ronnie to side with Lee? Well, not if he can win over $100,000 in September. The same goes for Jay, Dexter, Gunter and a few of the others who will place in the money. They have too much to lose to even think about supporting the idea that others should be free to compete where they like. Why would any competitor be against the idea of freedom to compete elsewhere? The other bodybuilders do not want to be seen to be supporting anyone who is going against a rule in the IFBB. They have their futures to worry about. Self-interest will stop most bodybuilders from supporting Lee. Well, I support what he wants to do. I may not be considered a professional bodybuilder but I am a professional in the industry.

[Chick]

You pretty much summed it up in your first paragraph...I have to use common sense as what to address and what not to.

Meeting aren't called all the time...they are called at the two biggest events of the year (which the majority of Pro's are in the same place at the same time) The ASC and the Olympia.

I could give a rats ass about what the "people here" think, as they (for the most part) have no idea of what goes on...it's the IFBB athletes opinions that are of interest to me.

The top bodybuilders have nothing to lose by expressing an opinion, especially if it's anonymous. Two of the most outspoken bbers in history (Lee and Shawn), have had major battles witht he IFBB...and have also never been blackballed, or placed lower than they should have (barring public opinion, of course).

I'll leave it to the people to decide...as promised.

[swilkins1984]

Bob,

Has Wayne followed up lately on his request to appear on PBBW?  The NOC is getting fairly close and it would be a good idea on his part to throw some more publicity behind it.  When the Olympia comes we all know where the attention will turn and it won't be in the direction of the PDI probably. Especially since Vince Taylor and Vinny Galanti have cancelled their decision to compete causing a probable loss in momentum on the PDI's part.

[Chick]

We expressed an open invitation to Wayne many months ago...he declined, and said he would wait till a later date. Were booked far in advance...maybe after the NOC.

[jaejonna]

I could give a rats ass about what the "people here" think, as they (for the most part) have no idea of what goes on...it's the IFBB athletes opinions that are of interest to me.

[Original Sin]

Lee,
Quick question....

How many other IFBB pros have you talked to about this (Not counting Bob)?

[Spicy Shushi]

We expressed an open invitation to Wayne many months ago...he declined, and said he would wait till a later date. Were booked far in advance...maybe after the NOC.

who is on the show from now until the middle of september that wayne can't go on until after the noc?

sounds fishy and it ain't sushi

[Lee_a_priest]

Lee,
Quick question....

How many other IFBB pros have you talked to about this (Not counting Bob)?

Quite a few and all said they would like to but are scared of the backlash.Bob you mentioned sponsors also.Why wouldnt a sponsor want thier athlete competing as mush as possible get the name out there more.Do you think pepsi and coke and any other sponsor just sponsor one sport or federation?NO.But i do know a few sponsors who have been threaten to have their adds pulled from certain magazines if they went to sponsor PDI and being able to go to contests.Well i would say to hell with you then it's my money i sponsor what i like..Remember the IFBB needs the sponosrs money not the other way around.When will they ever learn.They need the sponsors,the athletes,the fans without that what is the IFBB just a name.

[HRDCOR]

Lee does have a point , the NZFBB treated there sponsors with discontent and arrogance for many years and now they are begging for sponsors and are in debt , there sponsors left in droves once the major supplement companies started to pull away , they were sick of having the NZFBB treat them as though they owed the NZFBB for being associated with them in the first place ,

I would suggest a pretty good test module to go by for the IFBB wouldn't you say !!

Oh and guess what Moe Mowassi was putting a show on here in NZ and none of the federations wanted to back it ,the NZFBB wouldn't have any thing to do with it as Moe and the NZFBB president hate each other , any how Moes show was gaining huge momentum as he was giving away 5k worth of prizes and money to the athletes and getting Troy Elves out to guest pose and do a seminar, but the show clashed with a NZFBB show , so the NZFBB got the IFBB to tell Troy he couldn't do it as it was a non sanctioned IFBB show and they told Moe if he went ahead with his show on his own with out IFBB approval he would lose his pro status , GEE TALK ABOUT PICKING AND CHOSING WHAT RULES TO ENFORCE HUH !!!

So now NO SHOW