Move to get the IFBB rules followed!

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

You know, this sport is insane and just about everyone belongs in an asylum. Why would anyone argue that drugs are necessary because others are using them. Stuff the drugs. Get back to training and making gains from that alone. All the rest is just a sham.

You should save that argument for smokers and drunk drivers.  They kill way more people than steroids.


BTW, you can say that because steroids weren't a big factor in the 60's.  If you were competing today, you would be juicing like everyone else is

[danielson]

You should save that argument for smokers and drunk drivers.  They kill way more people than steroids.


BTW, you can say that because steroids weren't a big factor in the 60's.  If you were competing today, you would be juicing like everyone else is

you got any more pics Vince?

[HRDCOR]

Just clarifying , A DRUG FREE show doesn't mean you can enter cause all the gear you have taken was FREE or they are giving away FREE DRUGS at the said show ,,, DOES IT ? !!??

[Vince B]

Mr Goodrum is not logical in this thread. Why should anyone support using steroids? That is nuts. If the scientists can come up with safe vitamins that accelerate muscle growth we will all be taking them. At the moment steroids are not that safe and I wonder about the sanity of people fooling around with their bodies. Why would anyone use growth hormone or other powerful drugs? Is winning a bodybuilding contest that important? I don't think so. Ray Mentzer and I used to have this very discussion. He said that most steroids were 'gonad stimulators' and not dangerous. Well, Ray died tragically at age 47. He was an intelligent guy and so was Mike who died that weekend aged 49. Both those men abused chemicals and that contributed to their demise. Seems to me everyone should try to live longer and be healthier.

Whatever point is there to use those chemicals when it is an even bigger challenge to be competitive drug free? Others have done it in the past. What makes me shake my head is to see so many guys with hardly much potential use drugs and create monstrosities instead of beautiful bodies.

The IFBB has lost the plot and they are too afraid the competitors will defect to another organization if they enforce their own rules.

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

Mr Goodrum is not logical in this thread. Why should anyone support using steroids? That is nuts. If the scientists can come up with safe vitamins that accelerate muscle growth we will all be taking them. At the moment steroids are not that safe and I wonder about the sanity of people fooling around with their bodies. Why would anyone use growth hormone or other powerful drugs? Is winning a bodybuilding contest that important? I don't think so. Ray Mentzer and I used to have this very discussion. He said that most steroids were 'gonad stimulators' and not dangerous. Well, Ray died tragically at age 47. He was an intelligent guy and so was Mike who died that weekend aged 49. Both those men abused chemicals and that contributed to their demise. Seems to me everyone should try to live longer and be healthier.

Whatever point is there to use those chemicals when it is an even bigger challenge to be competitive drug free? Others have done it in the past. What makes me shake my head is to see so many guys with hardly much potential use drugs and create monstrosities instead of beautiful bodies.

The IFBB has lost the plot and they are too afraid the competitors will defect to another organization if they enforce their own rules.

Obviously, you've never met the Mentzers in your entire life.  Mike Mentzer did die of a heart attack however his father died of the same thing around his age.  The reason for his death had nothing to do with steroids.  His heart attack was caused by blood clots that were in his bloodstream, same as his father.  He even discussed it before his death.  Blood clots also cause problems with the kidney's and liver.  Even though he was taking blood thinners, he even knew he was dying soon which is why he worked so hard to complete his HIT video which he did the day before his death 


Vince, their deaths were caused simply by their family genes and you should next time speak to Joanne Sharkey first before making accusations and slander about people who obviously can't defend themselves.


The fact that you're still alive and well has nothing to do with you not taking steroids.

Its by the grace of God.  When your time is up....its up. 

[Vince B]

Ray stayed at my place with Kathy and Dagny for many months back in 1988. I have photos to prove this. I introduced Ray to his wife on New Year's Eve that year. I stayed with them in April 1991 in Redondo Beach. I talked to Mike in 1991 at Golds Venice. Ray even worked in my gym for a while.

I am not saying that steroids led to their demise but they were reckless with chemicals. There can be no doubt about that whatever. When Ray was in Australia he competed in a show in Melbourne but lost to Sonny Schmidt. Ray wanted to win a bigger title than Mr America and he went back to America to do so. He told me in 1991 that many of the big guys were getting sick when they weighed about 300 pounds. The same thing happened to him but he never told me what the problem was. The last time I talked to Ray was in 1994.

[dearth]

In the same manner as competing in other federations, no one has brought it up to me (the athletes)....when I see a significant number of athletes demanding to be drug tested, I'll submit it in a proposal on their behalf.

Actually Chick,

based on your unwillingness to do your job and "represent" an IFBB athlete (Lee) regarding the PDI
it is unlikely that you would submit a proposal for something Manion and company would be opposed to i.e. drug testing.


 

[dearth]

You're right, Vince...

"HEY, ALL YOU GUYS TAKING DRUGS OUT THERE....STOP IT RIGHT NOW!! IF NOT FOR VINCE...DO IT FOR THE SPIRIT OF BODYBUILDING!!"

Happy to help...

just curious Chick,

where does in the rulebook does it state that doping  is less of an offense than
competing outside of the IFBB?

surely you can't pull the "these are only guidelines" card on both of these rules ?

[240 is Back]

just curious Chick,

where does in the rulebook does it state that doping  is less of an offense than
competing outside of the IFBB?

surely you can't pull the "these are only guidelines" card on both of these rules ?

[rocket]

Ray stayed at my place with Kathy and Dagny for many months back in 1988. I have photos to prove this. I introduced Ray to his wife on New Year's Eve that year. I stayed with them in April 1991 in Redondo Beach. I talked to Mike in 1991 at Golds Venice. Ray even worked in my gym for a while.

I am not saying that steroids led to their demise but they were reckless with chemicals. There can be no doubt about that whatever. When Ray was in Australia he competed in a show in Melbourne but lost to Sonny Schmidt. Ray wanted to win a bigger title than Mr America and he went back to America to do so. He told me in 1991 that many of the big guys were getting sick when they weighed about 300 pounds. The same thing happened to him but he never told me what the problem was. The last time I talked to Ray was in 1994.

Seriously, don't answer Vince Goodrum, he's not got inside information on anybody, has nothing to do with any of the people he's accusing you of not having anything to do with and overall, just kind of talks shit.

[Chick]

just curious Chick,

where does in the rulebook does it state that doping  is less of an offense than
competing outside of the IFBB?

surely you can't pull the "these are only guidelines" card on both of these rules ?

It doesn't...they are both listed under rules, and anyone who crosses over to a non sanctioned federation OR tests positive on a drug test, would both be suspended without question.

The code of conduct is clearly stated as guidelines.

[onlyme]

Obviously, you've never met the Mentzers in your entire life.  Mike Mentzer did die of a heart attack however his father died of the same thing around his age.  The reason for his death had nothing to do with steroids.  His heart attack was caused by blood clots that were in his bloodstream, same as his father.  He even discussed it before his death.  Blood clots also cause problems with the kidney's and liver.  Even though he was taking blood thinners, he even knew he was dying soon which is why he worked so hard to complete his HIT video which he did the day before his death 


Vince, their deaths were caused simply by their family genes and you should next time speak to Joanne Sharkey first before making accusations and slander about people who obviously can't defend themselves.


The fact that you're still alive and well has nothing to do with you not taking steroids.

Its by the grace of God.  When your time is up....its up. 

Vince, I bet you NEVER met either of them.  Why pretend to know shit when you don't.  ANd who is Joanne Sharkey.  Hope that isn't Arnold PR person.  I remember her name being something like that

[Vince B]

Hey, Keith, it gets to be a bit of a drag around here when those of us who always tell it like it is are challenged for our integrity. I never lie on discussion boards. I get calls telling me to not say stuff about some people. I leave the truth up. I really dislike those who want to change reality and the past.

We should talk on the phone, Keith. I have voip now so it is just 3 cents a minute to the USA. Send me an email or a PM with your number and tell me when it is convenient to call. I used to like my name but now I am not so sure 'Vince' is such a good name on this site!

ovincez@yahoo.com

[Vince B]

Joanne Sharkey is associated with Mentzer enterprises.

http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=Joanne+Sharkey&btnG=Google+Search&meta=

[dearth]

It doesn't...they are both listed under rules, and anyone who crosses over to a non sanctioned federation OR tests positive on a drug test, would both be suspended without question.

Oh, so selective application of the "rules" is ok in the IFBB/
thanks for clarifying Chick

[Chick]

Oh, so selective application of the "rules" is ok in the IFBB/
thanks for clarifying Chick

How do you figure? I just said, EITHER offense would result in suspention...where's the "selective application"?

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

Hey, Keith, it gets to be a bit of a drag around here when those of us who always tell it like it is are challenged for our integrity. I never lie on discussion boards. I get calls telling me to not say stuff about some people. I leave the truth up. I really dislike those who want to change reality and the past.

We should talk on the phone, Keith. I have voip now so it is just 3 cents a minute to the USA. Send me an email or a PM with your number and tell me when it is convenient to call. I used to like my name but now I am not so sure 'Vince' is such a good name on this site!

ovincez@yahoo.com

Too challenged for your integrity???  What's that suppose to mean??   If you had some integrity, you would not have made the assessment of the cause of death for the Mentzer's.  Shows complete dishonor for the dead and its based on an  unsubstantiated assumption.  You are well old enough to know better than to openly make a comment like that.

[Anal Iceman Lubeth]

Too challenged for your integrity???  What's that suppose to mean??   If you had some integrity, you would not have made the assessment of the cause of death for the Mentzer's.  Shows complete dishonor for the dead and its based on an  unsubstantiated assumption.  You are well old enough to know better than to openly make a comment like that.

aren't you the same guy who told the world that trevor smith committed suicide?

[onlyme]

aren't you the same guy who told the world that trevor smith committed suicide?

You have to see on here that Vince is not taken serioulsy or at all in anything he says.  He does allot of reading and internet surfing to find something to talk about.  He comes on here pretending to know so much about this industry yet 100% of what he posts is either somewhere else on the net or he reads it someplace.  He is the GetBig Jester, troll, imbecile, moron etc.  But,he has a great body.

[sgt. d]

You have to see on here that Vince is not taken serioulsy or at all in anything he says.  He does allot of reading and internet surfing to find something to talk about.  He comes on here pretending to know so much about this industry yet 100% of what he posts is either somewhere else on the net or he reads it someplace.  He is the GetBig Jester, troll, imbecile, moron etc.  But,he has a great body.

Funny thing is , how do you know that is vince g in that pic? How do you know that vince g is black? None of yall have met him. You all have been joking on that pic but that may be somebody else. Have you thought about that?

[240 is Back]

Funny thing is , how do you know that is vince g in that pic? How do you know that vince g is black? None of yall have met him. You all have been joking on that pic but that may be somebody else. Have you thought about that?

By that standard, just about anyone could post any pic and say it was them.

Vince competed though, in 2004.  his pics were up on their official website.  he runs a an online supplement business.  And he has posted a series of examples, from locker room shots, to scans of state IDs, to prove his identity.  Vince is a real person.

[sgt. d]

By that standard, just about anyone could post any pic and say it was them.

Vince competed though, in 2004.  his pics were up on their official website.  he runs a an online supplement business.  And he has posted a series of examples, from locker room shots, to scans of state IDs, to prove his identity.  Vince is a real person.

Anybody could claim that they are a certain person online. Vince may be an real person but the person that is using his pics may be somebody else

[240 is Back]

Anybody could claim that they are a certain person online. Vince may be an real person but the person that is using his pics may be somebody else

his business website, state ID, and company info all go through the same name that he used for the contest.  It's him.  You don't seriously doubt that, do you? 

[Vince B]

I respected Ray and Mike Mentzer. Both were intelligent guys and Mike was a true philosopher and a good writer. I considered Ray a personal friend and I was devastated to hear that he died at age 47. We never did hear what the official cause of death was but he apparently had a kidney disease that could have been inherited. Whether his lifestyle precipitated his death I doubt anyone can say for certain but I suspect that Ray was reckless when preparing for contests and the longterm consequences could have contributed to his ill health. Ray was always earnest about things and I think it is a tragedy that he died so young and the way he did. It really is a pity that the IFBB can't make a stand about doping because we are losing way too many guys. The bodybuilders in the 1940s and 50s seem to live longer than the guys who came after them. We have examples of guys getting sick and crippled and are we supposed to imagine that their drugs had nothing to do with it? We might not have specific knowledge but we can have a theory about what happened. I think if we read up on what happened to many top guys we will have to acknowledge that drugs play a part in negative health and even death. I have no idea why most people think it is something to be ashamed of to suffer from steroids or other substances. I guess many feel it might not happen to them. Surely everyone knows there are risks associated with taking drugs, etc. Why do you think several countries have made those substances illegal?

[gibberj2]

so would you say the mentzos died because of steroids?