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gary6768

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Re: bjj more effective than i previously thought.
« Reply #25 on: August 13, 2006, 08:18:30 AM »
bjj is bullshit, 99 percent of the time you can punch out of locks and bars. it works if you pause but if you are continously explosive and dont stop moving the person never has an oppertunity to use bjj. its hard to chocke or bar somebody while being punched in the face. i think mma fighters should put alot more attention on stand up skills. if you have heavy hands youll do great. and i mean real heavy, not silvia or any of that bullshit. i mean mike tyson heavy
I suggest you go to your local BJJ school and tell them your feelings and demand a close door match to prove your point.

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Re: bjj more effective than i previously thought.
« Reply #26 on: August 13, 2006, 08:33:00 AM »
if i went in there with some one of equal level i would win, now of course a black belt or master of bjj would submit me I'm not denying that, but some one of my equal level ( college wrestler, 5 years of judo, 2 years stand up) i would beat them. theres no way i can step into the ring with a Gracie and stand a chance i would get my ass handed to me. however when Gracie stepped in the ring with a wrestler of his equal or similar talent, well we all say what happened to your god.

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Re: bjj more effective than i previously thought.
« Reply #27 on: August 13, 2006, 08:57:31 AM »
if i went in there with some one of equal level i would win, now of course a black belt or master of bjj would submit me I'm not denying that, but some one of my equal level ( college wrestler, 5 years of judo, 2 years stand up) i would beat them. theres no way i can step into the ring with a Gracie and stand a chance i would get my ass handed to me. however when Gracie stepped in the ring with a wrestler of his equal or similar talent, well we all say what happened to your god.
That would be a purple belt level so go and arrange a closed door match with a purple belt and report back to us how you make out.  Hughes has an extensive background in BJJ and submissions.

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Re: bjj more effective than i previously thought.
« Reply #28 on: August 14, 2006, 12:11:22 AM »
hey i dont want to spark this argument up again. but if u had to know 1, and only 1 type of martial arts to go into a fight with. ( a 1vs1 fight that is). what would it be?

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Re: bjj more effective than i previously thought.
« Reply #29 on: August 14, 2006, 02:52:41 PM »
if i went in there with some one of equal level i would win, now of course a black belt or master of bjj would submit me I'm not denying that, but some one of my equal level ( college wrestler, 5 years of judo, 2 years stand up) i would beat them. theres no way i can step into the ring with a Gracie and stand a chance i would get my ass handed to me. however when Gracie stepped in the ring with a wrestler of his equal or similar talent, well we all say what happened to your god.

It isn't about styles, it is about athletes.  The example you use, is Matt Hughes.  Did you know that Matt was submitted twice by Dennis Hallman, (this prompted him to start training BJJ with MFS, Jeremy Horn and Pat) and his other submission loss came by RNC from BJ Penn, one of the best BJJ players in MMA.  Gracie (Royce, Royler, Rickson, et al) aren't the best submission fighters in MMA.  Big Nog is the best MMA submission specialist who is also an amateur boxer, and has greco and freestyle training from Darrel Gholar.  So wrestling/boxing isn't the best, Matt was the best athlete. 

If you are planning on fighting MMA, you'd better get a tight BJJ game.  One of my coaches, James Martines, is a professional Muay Thai fighter who is as tough as nails.  He hasn't faired as well in MMA, but he has an ever improving game, and just competed in his first submission tournament.  Check out his record on Sherdog, and watch his fight videos.  His striking is on par with other John Winklethorn trained fighters, he is also a MT fighter out of Master Toddy's camp in Vegas.  Obvisously, if someone of his credentials thinks training the ground is important, it must be. 

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Re: bjj more effective than i previously thought.
« Reply #30 on: August 14, 2006, 03:33:24 PM »
That would be a purple belt level so go and arrange a closed door match with a purple belt and report back to us how you make out.  Hughes has an extensive background in BJJ and submissions.

Exactly right! why? because he has too ;)
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Re: bjj more effective than i previously thought.
« Reply #31 on: August 14, 2006, 06:23:15 PM »
It isn't about styles, it is about athletes.  The example you use, is Matt Hughes.  Did you know that Matt was submitted twice by Dennis Hallman, (this prompted him to start training BJJ with MFS, Jeremy Horn and Pat) and his other submission loss came by RNC from BJ Penn, one of the best BJJ players in MMA.  Gracie (Royce, Royler, Rickson, et al) aren't the best submission fighters in MMA.  Big Nog is the best MMA submission specialist who is also an amateur boxer, and has greco and freestyle training from Darrel Gholar.  So wrestling/boxing isn't the best, Matt was the best athlete. 

If you are planning on fighting MMA, you'd better get a tight BJJ game.  One of my coaches, James Martines, is a professional Muay Thai fighter who is as tough as nails.  He hasn't faired as well in MMA, but he has an ever improving game, and just competed in his first submission tournament.  Check out his record on Sherdog, and watch his fight videos.  His striking is on par with other John Winklethorn trained fighters, he is also a MT fighter out of Master Toddy's camp in Vegas.  Obvisously, if someone of his credentials thinks training the ground is important, it must be. 
Very well put. To think that Hughes is just a wrestler with no other cross training shows how little some people know how hard top fighters work.

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Re: bjj more effective than i previously thought.
« Reply #32 on: August 14, 2006, 07:05:18 PM »
i never said hughes was just a wrestler, all mma fighters are and have to be well rounded to do well in mma. what i said and will stand by (and i am looking for a bjj gym that will let me fight without joining. i got turned down by gracies in sacramento area) is that a wrestler of the same training years or level as a bjj will win in a fight. i hope to prove this right. i may be wrong and easily submitted. this i highly doubt

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Re: bjj more effective than i previously thought.
« Reply #33 on: August 14, 2006, 07:21:33 PM »
You talk very silly. I guess the folks at the Gracie school in Sacremento sensed what a badass you are and wanted nothing to do with you.

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Re: bjj more effective than i previously thought.
« Reply #34 on: August 14, 2006, 09:01:41 PM »
no they just said they wouldnt allow me to come in and fight a purple belt, they did say i could enter a tournament wich they have often but its a bjj tourney not mma, so the rules would be diff

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Re: bjj more effective than i previously thought.
« Reply #35 on: August 15, 2006, 05:35:19 AM »
no they just said they wouldnt allow me to come in and fight a purple belt, they did say i could enter a tournament wich they have often but its a bjj tourney not mma, so the rules would be diff
I guess they didn't want  you to make a fool of their purple belt and show what a useless art BJJ is.

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Re: bjj more effective than i previously thought.
« Reply #36 on: August 16, 2006, 05:18:16 PM »
Too bad you don't live in Hawaii.  You could go to Bull's Pen, HMC, Eastsidaz, 808 Fight Factory, MMA development, Grappling Unlimited and easily find the match you desire. 

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Re: bjj more effective than i previously thought.
« Reply #37 on: August 16, 2006, 09:29:03 PM »
im actualy from hawaii, i lived in kailua and went to st louis high school. ive rolled around at grappling unlimited a few times cuz a buddy of mine trained there he was real good friends with egan, i think egan is his god father or something

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Re: bjj more effective than i previously thought.
« Reply #38 on: August 17, 2006, 05:58:52 AM »
Too bad you don't live in Hawaii.  You could go to Bull's Pen, HMC, Eastsidaz, 808 Fight Factory, MMA development, Grappling Unlimited and easily find the match you desire. 
He's not looking hard enough.

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Re: bjj more effective than i previously thought.
« Reply #39 on: August 17, 2006, 07:17:44 AM »
that may be part of it, ive only tried 1 place the rest are kind of far away, but i will soon. and ill try to get my buddy to tape it. then il post and we can all see. like i said. i may get my ass handed to me

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Re: bjj more effective than i previously thought.
« Reply #40 on: August 17, 2006, 05:53:56 PM »
Go to Caesar Gracie's, AKA, and Frank Shamrock's place.  Plenty of takers there.  If you are back in Hawaii, PM me.