Exactly why are steroids illegal?

[delta9mda]

You are missing the point.  Creatine isn`t a drug prescribed by a physician.

Steroids are illegal because they are simply TOO powerful on the human system.  Look at how bad it alters women.  The health problems DO exist.  Are you forgetting about Tom Prince, Don Long and a whole list of others?

Steroids are not childrens vitamins.

do we know for sure that juice caused the kidney problems? flex wheelers kidney problem is/ was genetic and would have come to the surface eventually. he is watching this as he has a son and could have the disease(i dont remember what it was at the moment).
what about primo and anavar. mild sides if any. you can go blind from viagra.

[G o a t b o y]

TA - we all know you're anti-steroid, whatever... but even you have to admit that treating steroid users in the same manner as cokeheads and heroin junkies is ridiculous!

[The True Adonis]

Safe? Safe from what - hurting themself? If that's your point, I get it. The same way I get people who drink [liver damage] or smoke [lung cancer]. That's all on them.

Do you really think people are educated enough to know which steroids to inject?  

Come on.  Don`t be stupid.  How many posts have you read where newbies are fucking themselves up, combining shit and just outright abusing.

You fail to realize how powerful these drugs are.  Alcohol and Ciggerates are very dangerous,but are not like steroids in that they are a medicine with a dosage and an immediate effect.  Alcohol and Ciggerates don`t have an immediate body altering effect.  Alcohol and Ciggerates are also not used to treat disease and have no medical value.

[The True Adonis]

BTW, going on roids does not always equal 20 inch arm size although that is what most people think.  Honestly, I would tell my doc that I train extremely hard and need an aid to recover because diet and sleep will not allow me to recover properly.

You just said Depression can be overcome without medication.

Don`t you think that recovering from a simple diet and workout can be done without steroids...Come on, you are talking silly.

[The True Adonis]

You just said Depression can be overcome without medication.

Don`t you think that recovering from a simple diet and workout can be done without steroids...Come on, you are talking silly.

Plus I doubt you are pushing yourself hard enough to even justify that.

If any athlete would need steroids it damn sure isn`t a gym rat with a Y card membership, it would be a marathon runner or endurance athlete.   You don`t need it.

They don`t even need it.

[Bast000]

Yes, and because you administer most steroids with a syringe, it makes them even more dangerous because people don't know about aspirating and can inject into a blood vessel. 

[The True Adonis]

do we know for sure that juice caused the kidney problems? flex wheelers kidney problem is/ was genetic and would have come to the surface eventually. he is watching this as he has a son and could have the disease(i dont remember what it was at the moment).
what about primo and anavar. mild sides if any. you can go blind from viagra.

Funny how I can`t seem to find any athletes with kidney problems in any other sport really that the ratio of bodybuilders have had.

[G o a t b o y]

Yes, and because you administer most steroids with a syringe, it makes them even more dangerous because people don't know about aspirating and can inject into a blood vessel. 

Mountain climbing and hang-gliding are also very dangerous if you don't know what you're doing.

Are we going to make them illegal next?

[corinth]

Do you really think people are educated enough to know which steroids to inject?  

Come on.  Don`t be stupid.  How many posts have you read where newbies are fucking themselves up, combining shit and just outright abusing.

You fail to realize how powerful these drugs are.  Alcohol and Ciggerates are very dangerous,but are not like steroids in that they are a medicine with a dosage and an immediate effect.  Alcohol and Ciggerates don`t have an immediate body altering effect.  Alcohol and Ciggerates are also not used to treat disease and have no medical value.

TA that's exactly the point. You would never go to your Dr. and ask for some cigarettes and beer, yet you can't go to your Dr. and ask for a couple bottles of Anavar to help you recover during an especially hard training period? See the point we're trying to make here. Steroids in moderate dosages DO have health benefits. It's been proven time and time again that moderate dosages of steroids are beneficial to weight trainers and the side effects, if any, are temporary.

[The True Adonis]

Mountain climbing and hang-gliding are also very dangerous if you don't know what you're doing.

Are we going to make them illegal next?

They don`t involve taking drugs.

[G o a t b o y]

They don`t involve taking drugs.

What's that got to do with anything?

"drugs"= "evil"?

 

[The True Adonis]

TA that's exactly the point. You would never go to your Dr. and ask for some cigarettes and beer, yet you can't go to your Dr. and ask for a couple bottles of Anavar to help you recover during an especially hard training period? See the point we're trying to make here. Steroids in moderate dosages DO have health benefits. It's been proven time and time again that moderate dosages of steroids are beneficial to weight trainers and the side effects, if any, are temporary.

You are not pushing your body to even justify that you need them to recover.  You ARE recovering.  There is no baseline dosage for people looking for health benefits.  What happens when the 200 mg doesn`t do anything for you?  You are going to want 400, then 600 and so on.

[The True Adonis]

A disease of the mind is different than simple body break down.  You can't fight hunger (life or death) and tell your body that it won't die. 

You could make the argument that you have a disease of the mind for wanting steroids.  You feel like you aren`t big enough,lean enough or good enough.

I don`t get your point.

[thisiskeith12]

if you take over 40 grams of creatine a day you can caus eliver and kidney failure  so there goes that theory

and as too women youaretalking about something that shouldn;t be in their system in the first place

Funny you mention that because in high school I had a friend who did the loading phase for creatine for 6 months straight! And was taking prohormones, his liver shut down and he had to go to the hospital. He wasn't the brightest of the group, he only trained biceps and chest.

[G o a t b o y]

TA is arguing whether steroids are "good" or "bad".

Everyone else is arguing whether they should be legal or illegal.

It's NOT the same argument.



While everything TA is saying about steroids being "dangerous" or "bad" may or may not be true, I utterly reject the notion that in a free society someone else had the right to tell me what I can or can't put into my own body if it doesn't effect them.


TA made his own decision about steroids, as is his right.  He doesn't, however, have the right to make mine for me as well.

[corinth]

You are not pushing your body to even justify that you need them to recover.  You ARE recovering.  There is no baseline dosage for people looking for health benefits.  What happens when the 200 mg doesn`t do anything for you?  You are going to want 400, then 600 and so on.

There's no basline need for alcohol or cigarettes either. You can go to the store tonight buy a bottle of aspirin, take the whole bottle and possibly die. Why doesn't this happen more often? People use their "judgement". Just like most sane people would do with steroids. And even if they didn't use judgement, it's on them. This is a free country. If you can take a pill to get your dick hard, end a pregnancy, or mute an over exhuberent kid why can't you take a pill to make you gains 20 pounds of muscle. This is America and we should be free to do what we want, within reason. There are always going to be people who make the wrong decision to drink too much, smoke too much, and take too much Anadrol but that shouldn't keep the rest of us who would use them reasonably from being able to do so.

[The True Adonis]

People increase that because they don't cycle off.  THink of it this way.  If you drink alot for a period of time and then stop.  When you start drinking again, your tolerance is lower than it would be than if you never stopped drinking. That's right, pro football players die from heart disease and other bodily ailments due to weight.  Should they put a weight cap in the NFL?

They have taken measures in the NFL for obesity.  That doesn`t matter though. Its not like they are using a medically prescibed substance to alter their chemistry and physiology.  They are using bacon and butter.

Regarding steroids, how come none of your heros use a low dosage then?  Do you think perhaps they are irresponsible and have gotten immune to a low dosage and the fact that a low dosage only would get you so far.

What if you decided to take 200 mg or whatever and nothing happened.  What do you do then?  Up the dose like most would?  Do you see how quickly this becomes a problem?

[thisiskeith12]

If you take too much potassium you can die.  Dumb people with the wrong compounds equal harm.

He was quite dumb, granted he did have huge biceps and big chest, but no back shoulders and had bird legs.

[The True Adonis]

My point is that the body can only recover so fast with food and sleep but with depression the mind can cure it because it is not really a life and death situation.  This isn't a discussion about addictive personalities.  Sorry.  You see what I mean?

Depression CAN BE a life and death situation.  Many people would have NOT committed suicide had they been on some kind of medication.  It IS saving lives everyday.  So it can be in fact a potential life and death situation.

[The True Adonis]

TA is arguing whether steroids are "good" or "bad".

Everyone else is arguing whether they should be legal or illegal.

It's NOT the same argument.



While everything TA is saying about steroids being "dangerous" or "bad" may or may not be true, I utterly reject the notion that in a free society someone else had the right to tell me what I can or can't put into my own body if it doesn't effect them.


TA made his own decision about steroids, as is his right.  He doesn't, however, have the right to make mine for me as well.

They are illegal for good reason.  You really think people should be able to go to the store and just pick them up with their groceries?

You think people are educated enough on the chemical compounds  to just freely do that?

Even pros are fucking themselves up and they should be the most experienced users.

You are being delusional.

[G o a t b o y]

They are illegal for good reason.  You really think people should be able to go to the store and just pick them up with their groceries?

You think people are educated enough on the chemical compounds  to just freely do that?

Even pros are fucking themselves up and they should be the most experienced users.

You are being delusional.

I wasn't arguing that steroids are a good thing. I was arguing that just because something (anything) is dangerous does not mean it should necessarily be illegal. We have too many fuccking laws as it is, and it's just getting worse every day.  Orwell was right... he was just off by a few decades. 

[The True Adonis]

There's no basline need for alcohol or cigarettes either. You can go to the store tonight buy a bottle of aspirin, take the whole bottle and possibly die. Why doesn't this happen more often? People use their "judgement". Just like most sane people would do with steroids. And even if they didn't use judgement, it's on them. This is a free country. If you can take a pill to get your dick hard, end a pregnancy, or mute an over exhuberent kid why can't you take a pill to make you gains 20 pounds of muscle. This is America and we should be free to do what we want, within reason. There are always going to be people who make the wrong decision to drink too much, smoke too much, and take too much Anadrol but that shouldn't keep the rest of us who would use them reasonably from being able to do so.

I can`t get a prescription for Viagra.  No doctor would prescribe it for me knowing that there is no reason for its use.  You can`t just pick abortion drugs at the Wal-Mart pharmacy...You are not making sense.

Aspirin does not alter the body like a steroid does.  Steroids seriously alter the composition of the body, physiologically and chemically.  Its not Aspirin or Children`s vitamins.

There are TONS of different steroids as well.  Each have different effects and different levels of danger and affect different mechanisms in the body.  You can`t just say, "lets legalize steroids". There is too much shit out there.

[thisiskeith12]

Stupidity kills people not steroids. People that are impatient and uneducated are the ones who end up with all the symptoms while going against all the suggested advice. I think roid rage is associated with dumbasses that always let things go to their heads. I have had friends on juice and most of them are more calm and laid back when they are on. Beer doesn't kill you but taking things too far can really endanger yourself and others. Guns don't kill people, stupid people with guns do. While I don't think they should be in sports, I don't really have a preference if they are in bodybuilding or not. The object in bodybuilding is to get the muscles to respond as much as possible and steroids help do that along with other things. Much like racing cars, some people pay the price but such is life.

[G o a t b o y]

I can`t get a prescription for Viagra.  No doctor would prescribe it for me.  You can`t just pick abortion drugs at the Wal-Mart pharmacy...You are not making sense.

No one is saying sell them OTC.  Just decriminalize them... put them in the same category as antibiotics (or viagara for that matter).  Put them back under the jurisdiction of the FDA, not the DEA and cops.  You can't just walk up and buy pennicillin OTC, but the DEA isn't trying to bust you for it, and you won't go to jail for it either.   



BTW - This is the way it always was with steroids prior to 1992. 

[Jezebelle]

Mountain climbing and hang-gliding are also very dangerous if you don't know what you're doing.

Are we going to make them illegal next?

That's a bad analogy.  Driving your car is also dangerous, or getting out of bed.  Accidents happen, but injecting steriods is not an accident.