Author Topic: Exactly why are steroids illegal? (Read 18166 times)

The True Adonis · « **Reply #50 on:** August 07, 2006, 09:23:03 PM »

Quote from: G o a t b o y on August 07, 2006, 09:11:32 PM

No one is saying sell them OTC. Just decriminalize them... put them in the same category as antibiotics (or viagara for that matter). Put them back under the jurisdiction of the FDA, not the DEA and cops. You can't just walk up and buy pennicillin OTC, but the DEA isn't trying to bust you for it, and you won't go to jail for it either.

BTW - This is the way it always was with steroids prior to 1992.

They ARE in the same category.

People aren`t selling Penicillin from the trunks of their cars behind gyms either...There isn`t a local Penicillin dealer trying to cash in.

THAT my friend is when the DEA gets involved. Or they get involved when it becomes a problem.

Bast000 · « **Reply #51 on:** August 07, 2006, 09:27:56 PM »

Quote from: cap86 on August 07, 2006, 09:24:39 PM

Taking too many pills in general can f**k up your liver but we don't ban pills.

Really? my local walmart didn't carry Vicodin last time I went in to look for it after I ran out.

gh15 · « **Reply #52 on:** August 07, 2006, 09:34:48 PM »

i know more than few individuals that collect hormones,,meaning obsessed with getting anything on the market,,anything that sounds promised and many same products but simply from diff manufactors/companies. it is like when someone collect stamps or cards only with drugs

the reason why steroids are illeagal is not because how risky they are (we all have testosterone in our body),,it is because,, if you make steroids legal it will create a demand for other drugs to become legal. why not making pain killers legal?? why not making weed cocaine legal so you can feel everything is ok when its not? every group of people will want "their" favorite drugs to become legal,,and yes steroids are prescribed drugs for this specific reason.

side effects are prominent with steroids and the abuse of those drugs will bring them out greatly,,the ones who wish to take the risk can find steroids and other bodybuilding hormones perfectly easily with zero problem and minimum risk from le. the bodybuilding industry and life style is too big for anything to stop it,,as long as we keep it to ourselves and not demaging society.

i doubt you will break any athletic records now days with out synthetic hormones running through your system. i also doubt you could do it 20 years ago during carl louis and ben johnson era if you were not on performance enhancing drugs.

The True Adonis · « **Reply #53 on:** August 07, 2006, 09:35:29 PM »

Quote from: cap86 on August 07, 2006, 09:27:18 PM

Ya but kids in college try and sell Ritalin and Adderall in college to kids who want to study. They are trying to cash in off their scripts. I had a complete stranger offer me pills at $5 a pop (an offer i declined) for Adderall. Don't tell me people are not cashing in on prescription drugs other than AAS.

Report it then. That is the same as someone trying to sell steroids, a medically prescribed substance.

Rami · « **Reply #54 on:** August 07, 2006, 09:37:38 PM »

I can see it now. Mandatory castration becomes reality... sooner or later.

The True Adonis · « **Reply #55 on:** August 07, 2006, 09:49:32 PM »

Quote from: cap86 on August 07, 2006, 09:41:45 PM

If it meant crack, coke, meth, etc were legal I would never want AAS legal w/o script. I just think that it shouldn't be as hard to get roids through a doctor if you want. Think of the argument made a while back about AAS use for military, LEO, firefighter. It is valid for the job and amount of stress incurred. People receive the same treatment for depression, anxiety, ADD but not for the legitimate bodily stresses the human body takes. Hope this clarifies my point of view.

The military doesn`t need steroids. hahahahah
You are being silly again. They don`t do anything that strenuous and the ones that do, are well enough trained that they don`t need a thing. Plus it would be a liability for the government to just start giving them steroids and they wouldn`t put themselves in an unneccsary position to foster drug use.

The True Adonis · « **Reply #56 on:** August 07, 2006, 09:50:35 PM »

Quote from: The True Adonis on August 07, 2006, 09:49:32 PM

The military doesn`t need steroids. hahahahah
You are being silly again. They don`t do anything that strenuous and the ones that do, are well enough trained that they don`t need a thing. Plus it would be a liability for the government to just start giving them steroids and they wouldn`t put themselves in an unneccsary position to foster drug use.

They need better body armor and more effective technological weapons well before sustanon 250 amps...You are being silly again.

The True Adonis · « **Reply #57 on:** August 07, 2006, 09:56:32 PM »

Quote from: cap86 on August 07, 2006, 09:52:34 PM

Spec Ops dude. The toll their bodies take is alot more than that of the average grunt. You would be surprised how muscle wasting goes on in war. I knew a Marine who got sent home from Kosovo because he couldn't keep weight on in the no sleep, little food, high intensity fighting he did in war.

Steroids aren`t gonna do shit if you don`t have anything to eat.

The True Adonis · « **Reply #58 on:** August 07, 2006, 10:01:06 PM »

Quote from: cap86 on August 07, 2006, 09:57:47 PM

Originally used to prevent muscle wasting in groups such as AIDs and Cancer patients.

When coupled with sound nutrition.

Steroids increase protein synthesis. Without calories there is nothing to synthesize. Steroids alone won`t be very effective for a starving soldier.

Food will though. There is no reason for the US armed forces to employ the usage of steroids. None at all.

Tigerman · « **Reply #59 on:** August 07, 2006, 10:30:51 PM »

# deaths directly caused by alcohol abuse -- millions
# deaths directly caused by tobacco use/abuse -- millions
# deaths directly caused by marjuana/hashish -- zero
# deaths directly caused by steroid use/abuse -- 0, zero, null

alcohol, tobacco -- legal
steroids, marjuana -- illegal

You guys can argue as much as you want. Nothing will change the reality that substances way more dangerous than steroids are legal in this country. Oh by the way pain killers and other drugs are only nominally illegal, it's very easy to get prescriptions for them.
Hyprocrisy at the nth power...

schwarzenpecker · « **Reply #60 on:** August 07, 2006, 10:44:54 PM »

Quote from: gh15 on August 07, 2006, 09:34:48 PM

i know more than few individuals that collect hormones,,meaning obsessed with getting anything on the market,,anything that sounds promised and many same products but simply from diff manufactors/companies. it is like when someone collect stamps or cards only with drugs

the reason why steroids are illeagal is not because how risky they are (we all have testosterone in our body),,it is because,, if you make steroids legal it will create a demand for other drugs to become legal. why not making pain killers legal?? why not making weed cocaine legal so you can feel everything is ok when its not? every group of people will want "their" favorite drugs to become legal,,and yes steroids are prescribed drugs for this specific reason.

side effects are prominent with steroids and the abuse of those drugs will bring them out greatly,,the ones who wish to take the risk can find steroids and other bodybuilding hormones perfectly easily with zero problem and minimum risk from le. the bodybuilding industry and life style is too big for anything to stop it,,as long as we keep it to ourselves and not demaging society.

i doubt you will break any athletic records now days with out synthetic hormones running through your system. i also doubt you could do it 20 years ago during carl louis and ben johnson era if you were not on performance enhancing drugs.

Of course you want them to be illegal, if steroids could be bought over the counter you'd be out of a job. People have died from overdoses of painkillers and cocaine. No one has ever died from an overdose of steroids.

Drij · « **Reply #61 on:** August 08, 2006, 12:10:34 AM »

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=2908621023073531157&q=what+if+drugs+were+legal

gh15 · « **Reply #62 on:** August 08, 2006, 12:57:14 AM »

Quote from: schwarzenpecker on August 07, 2006, 10:44:54 PM

Of course you want them to be illegal, if steroids could be bought over the counter you'd be out of a job. People have died from overdoses of painkillers and cocaine. No one has ever died from an overdose of steroids.

this would be a smart sentence if i wasnt in total control (with very few others) of the chinease hormone powder market (the one that sell to a number of REAL pharma companies not to ug labs;),,the one where the powder delivered to you is what it's supposed to be and stand up to standards % wize) so it wouldnt matter to me wether hormones become legal or not,, i actually would prefer it to be legal i would make 10 times the profit.

David Shaw · « **Reply #63 on:** August 08, 2006, 03:53:16 AM »

Quote from: ieffinhatecardio on August 07, 2006, 08:00:30 PM

Drugs like heroin and cocaine cause a different state of mind that could be dangerous, also they are highly addictive. I can understand why they are illegal. Of course a very strong case could be made that alcohol and nicotine do the same but aren't illegal.

What affect do steroids cause that make them illegal? Of course they have certain side effects but mainly they build muscle. Why would a substance our bodies produce (testosterone) be illegal in synthetic form?

When you really think about it the fact that they're against the law seems rather pointless.

As of today steroids are developed/used to help sick people with serious medical conditions not healthy athletes... maybe in decades to come steroids will have lost their bad-name and instead just be another 'cosmetic' used to look buff on the beach.

I mean, if women can have all these procedures on their bodies, why can't us men??? Its just a matter of the media de-mystifying the stigma surrounding steroids through a positive spin and activism to show steroids in low dosages can actually assist with health and wellbeing.

Slick Vic · « **Reply #64 on:** August 08, 2006, 04:14:06 AM »

Quote from: The True Adonis on August 07, 2006, 08:39:24 PM

Do you really think people are educated enough to know which steroids to inject?

newbies are fucking themselves up, combining shit and just outright abusing.

Alcohol and Ciggerates don`t have an immediate body altering effect.

Do I think people are educated enough about this? That's where ignorance jumps in.

Combining shit and just outright abusing? Again - ignorance.

Sure, alcohol may not have an 'immediate' body altering effect - just an 'immediate' mind altering effect [which isn't any better].

Playboy · « **Reply #65 on:** August 08, 2006, 05:18:44 AM »

Quote from: ieffinhatecardio on August 07, 2006, 08:00:30 PM

Drugs like heroin and cocaine cause a different state of mind that could be dangerous, also they are highly addictive. I can understand why they are illegal. Of course a very strong case could be made that alcohol and nicotine do the same but aren't illegal.

What affect do steroids cause that make them illegal? Of course they have certain side effects but mainly they build muscle. Why would a substance our bodies produce (testosterone) be illegal in synthetic form?

When you really think about it the fact that they're against the law seems rather pointless.

Easy. Because they work! You can recoop from injuries, you get bigger, stronger, loose fat, gain muscle, etc. Can you imagine what the general public would look like if they were legal? Plus, you always have people who abuse the shit out of them and that is what causes health problems. Its like ephedrine. It was fine till some kid decided to take 10 a day and his heart went ape-shit. ALl of a sudden it became banned. Even medical doctors will tell you that the body can tolerate a small sensible dose of AAS. Its the serial abusers and their health problems that have made these drugs illegal. Just my opinion.

PB

Dorian 01 · « **Reply #66 on:** August 08, 2006, 05:19:05 AM »

Ben Johnson beat the American in the Olympics. It was time to crack down and show that America is anti-steroids.

ncmslippin · « **Reply #67 on:** August 08, 2006, 05:19:48 AM »

Quote from: Slick Vic on August 08, 2006, 04:14:06 AM

Do I think people are educated enough about this? That's where ignorance jumps in.

Combining shit and just outright abusing? Again - ignorance.

Sure, alcohol may not have an 'immediate' body altering effect - just an 'immediate' mind altering effect [which isn't any better].

Alcohol when it effects the mind is a immediate body altering effect. Ciggarettes destroy the lungs as well has a immediate mind altering effect. You can take a whole bottle of test in one day and be fine, you will not die. Side effects will be greatly enhanced but you will not die. Drink too much and CNS depresson can result. Take a half bottle of Acetaminophen and liver damage will result. Take a half bottle of aspirin and you will have a good chance to bleed to death.

Steroids used effectively and efficiently are beneficial, and abused takes time to develop symptoms. Even when severly abused. Alcohol can kill you in one fatal dose, as can tylenol as can aspirin and a whole slew of OTC drugs. Not one person has died directly from steroid use that can be verified, not one. Millions have died from alcohol and ciggarrettes. How can you blast Steroids when you probably drink and use alcohol which is a drug that kills on a daily basis?

Most people who are chiming in on this forum don't know what they are talking about. Period.

BroadStreetBruiser · « **Reply #68 on:** August 08, 2006, 05:20:54 AM »

great, we're going to have 18 pages of trying to justify cheating and taking the easy way out. How American...

HUGEPECS · « **Reply #69 on:** August 08, 2006, 06:24:37 AM »

if you wanna know why STEROIDS are illegal, go on a cycle for 12months nonstop, and come back here, and we'll discuss this matter...

Spike · « **Reply #70 on:** August 08, 2006, 07:06:51 AM »

it's how Ben Weider made the supplement industry HUGE!!!! what are the figures for weight loss supplement sales alone in 2005??

siht like zantrax that does shit all nothing for you except feed the coporate supplement beast!!

Tigerman · « **Reply #71 on:** August 08, 2006, 07:09:08 AM »

Quote from: HUGEPECS on August 08, 2006, 06:24:37 AM

if you wanna know why STEROIDS are illegal, go on a cycle for 12months nonstop, and come back here, and we'll discuss this matter...

Okay, whay if you try McDonalds for 12 months nonstop and then we can discuss...

Slick Vic · « **Reply #72 on:** August 08, 2006, 07:09:40 AM »

Quote from: ncmslippin on August 08, 2006, 05:19:48 AM

Alcohol when it effects the mind is a immediate body altering effect. Ciggarettes destroy the lungs as well has a immediate mind altering effect. You can take a whole bottle of test in one day and be fine, you will not die. Side effects will be greatly enhanced but you will not die. Drink too much and CNS depresson can result. Take a half bottle of Acetaminophen and liver damage will result. Take a half bottle of aspirin and you will have a good chance to bleed to death.

Steroids used effectively and efficiently are beneficial, and abused takes time to develop symptoms. Even when severly abused. Alcohol can kill you in one fatal dose, as can tylenol as can aspirin and a whole slew of OTC drugs. Not one person has died directly from steroid use that can be verified, not one. Millions have died from alcohol and ciggarrettes. How can you blast Steroids when you probably drink and use alcohol which is a drug that kills on a daily basis?

Most people who are chiming in on this forum don't know what they are talking about. Period.

Tell this to The True Adonis.

Spike · « **Reply #73 on:** August 08, 2006, 07:15:50 AM »

Title: A bill to amend the Controlled Substances Act to further restrict the use of steroids and human growth hormones.
Sponsor: Sen Biden, Joseph R., Jr. [DE] (introduced 11/1/1989) Cosponsors (4)
Related Bills: H.R.5269
Latest Major Action: 11/19/1990 Referred to House subcommittee. Status: Referred to the Subcommittee on Health and the Environment.
Jump to: Summary, Major Actions, All Actions, Titles, Cosponsors, Committees, Related Bill Details, AmendmentsAbstracts
SUMMARY AS OF:
10/24/1990--Passed Senate, amended. (There are 2 other summaries)

Steroid Trafficking Act of 1990 - Title I: Anabolic Steroids - Amends the Controlled Substances Act to add anabolic steroids to Schedule II.

Allows any prescription for anabolic steroids subject to refill on or after the date of enactment of this Act to be refilled without restrictions under certain provisions of the Controlled Substances Act.

Requires the Attorney General, upon the recommendation of the Secretary of Health and Human Services, to issue regulations that exempt any compound, mixture, or preparation containing a substance covered by this Act from the application of the Controlled Substances Act if, because of its concentration, preparation, mixture, or delivery system, it has no significant potential for abuse. Exempts, at a minimum, estrogens, progestins and corticosteroids.

Provides that if a drug listed under this Act is approved by the Food and Drug Administration as an accepted treatment for a rare disease or condition, and it does not have a significant potential for abuse, the Attorney General may exempt it from any production regulations necessary to ensure adequate supplies of such drug for medical purposes.

Title II: Human Growth Hormone - Amends the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act to increase the criminal fine and imprisonment penalties for knowing distribution of, or possession with intent to distribute, human growth hormone for any use in humans other than treatment of a recognized disease or other medical condition (currently, a recognized disease) pursuant to the order of a physician. Increases the penalties if the offense involves (currently, if the distribution or intended distribution is to) an individual under the age of 18 years. Declares a violation a felony violation of the Controlled Substances Act for purposes of forfeiture.

Authorizes the Drug Enforcement Administration to investigate such offenses.

Repeals provisions of the Anti-Drug Abuse Act of 1988 relating to forfeiture and illegal trafficking in steroids or a human growth hormone.

Title III: Free Speech - Amends provisions of the Federal criminal code relating to racketeer influenced and corrupt organizations to declare that "racketeering activity" does not include participation in, or the organization or support of, any nonviolent demonstration, assembly, protest, rally, or similar form of public speech.
MAJOR ACTIONS: lÁp

11/1/1989    Introduced/originated in Senate
8/30/1990    Committee on Judiciary. Reported to Senate by Senator Biden under the authority of the order of Aug 2, 90 with an amendment in the nature of a substitute. With written report No. 101-433.
10/24/1990    Passed/agreed to in Senate: Passed Senate with an amendment by Voice Vote.
11/19/1990    Referred to House subcommittee: Referred to the Subcommittee on Health and the Environment.

only way supplement companies can make money---wasnt Weider one of the first supplement companies??

G o a t b o y · « **Reply #74 on:** August 08, 2006, 07:19:38 AM »

Quote from: The True Adonis on August 07, 2006, 09:23:03 PM

They ARE in the same category.

No, they're not in the same category. You don't have a very good understanding of the law in this area. There is a difference between a controlled substance and a simple prescription drug (which one a drug is depends on it's "schedule" in the law).

Antibiotics and Viagra are prescription drugs, but NOT controlled substances.

Steroids and painkillers are BOTH prescription drugs and controlled substances.

Heroin and marijuana are controlled substances but not prescription drugs.

Here's the difference: Controlled substances (whether they're prescription drugs or not) fall under the jurisdiction of the DEA, and are subject to serious scrutiny. The penalties for unauthorized use or distribution are severe, and police agencies have dedicated units actively investigating abuse of these substances.

Simple prescription drugs that are not controlled substances fall under the jurisdiction of the FDA, not the DEA, and no law enforcement agency actively investigates or even gives two shits about them. While technically illegal to possess w/o a prescription, nobody really cares.

Prior to the Anabolic Steroids Control Act of 1992, steroids were prescription drugs, but not controlled substances. Since then, they are controlled substances like cocaine and heroin.

Hope this helps.