what's Milos' "special drink"

[kiwiol]

Show me a current natural WAY AHEAD of Clarence Ross,John Grimek or Steeve Reeves....
It just goes to show that the supplement industry is a big joke.

What about ALEXXX ?

 

[TooPowerful4u]

Dude im not even gonna argue with u lol... ur not worth the explination.... and you wouldnt understand anyway... it would go right over your head.... shoot me your email.... il send you some samples.... if it works (and you must be honest) you gotta come on here and tell everyone how much of a douche you are for doubting .... hows that sound?

[corinth]

wow Milos is gonna hate me for this lol...... guy above pretty much nailed it.....

Waxy Maize (aka vitargo) has an extremely low osmolality rate... which basicly means it passed through your system very quickly (i think 75% faster than any other carb) and is absorbed as a much quicker rate.  This allows anything mixed with it to be absorbed quicker along with it as it will also pass through your system quicker (pending you dont mix it with something that could slow its absorption like a whole protein source or fat).  This means creatine+BCAAs will also be absorbed much quicker (where as if mixed with something like dextrose or maltodextrine... the carb would absorb slower as well as creatine doesnt pass through your system very fast (unless mixed with something such as vitargo aka waxy maize) so it would MISS the insulin spike that you created with your carbs.  Sorry Milos.... but we already nailed the INTRAWORKOUT supplement at Gaspari Nutrition haha .... but we dont use vitargo we have a patent pending carb we call "outlast"  and the most superior form of creatine which blows away ethyl ester (and we have published scientific proof). 

Im too tired and hungry to go into pre and post workout but maybe il come back later haha

Isn't it true that even a whey protein isolate puts too much of a "load" on the waxy maize to get the best use of it? The new theory says to take the waxy maize with the bcaa imediately after a workout and 20 or 30 minutes later take the whey protein isolate. Do you agree with this and don't tease us about the pre and post, share that info with us.

[TooPowerful4u]

Isn't it true that even a whey protein isolate puts too much of a "load" on the waxy maize to get the best use of it? The new theory says to take the waxy maize with the bcaa imediately after a workout and 20 or 30 minutes later take the whey protein isolate. Do you agree with this and don't tease us about the pre and post, share that info with us.

Your on the money bro!

Im eating.... short responses are ok but the long required post that takes thought would take me some time haha.... maybe later

[sarcasm]

Dude im not even gonna argue with u lol... ur not worth the explination.... and you wouldnt understand anyway... it would go right over your head.... shoot me your email.... il send you some samples.... if it works (and you must be honest) you gotta come on here and tell everyone how much of a douche you are for doubting .... hows that sound?

name calling meltdown.

[bigcal]

wow Milos is gonna hate me for this lol...... guy above pretty much nailed it.....

Waxy Maize (aka vitargo) has an extremely low osmolality rate... which basicly means it passed through your system very quickly (i think 75% faster than any other carb) and is absorbed as a much quicker rate.  This allows anything mixed with it to be absorbed quicker along with it as it will also pass through your system quicker (pending you dont mix it with something that could slow its absorption like a whole protein source or fat).  This means creatine+BCAAs will also be absorbed much quicker (where as if mixed with something like dextrose or maltodextrine... the carb would absorb slower as well as creatine doesnt pass through your system very fast (unless mixed with something such as vitargo aka waxy maize) so it would MISS the insulin spike that you created with your carbs.  Sorry Milos.... but we already nailed the INTRAWORKOUT supplement at Gaspari Nutrition haha .... but we dont use vitargo we have a patent pending carb we call "outlast"  and the most superior form of creatine which blows away ethyl ester (and we have published scientific proof). 

Im too tired and hungry to go into pre and post workout but maybe il come back later haha

I am so smart, smrt.   On a serious note, I have heard many good things about this. 

The high molecular weight, "pulls" the WM through the gut, into the small intestine, where the bulk of carbohydrate metabolism occurs.
This "pull" causes an osmolic effect, drawing water with it, allowing more water to be drawn into the muscle as well. (you may feel dehydrated for a bit after taking WM)  Studies have shown conclusively that there is increased glycogen synthesis for around 2 hours after ingestion of WM as opposed to glucose.

It is VERY effective at glycogen restoration post workout. The faster you can restore glycogen, the faster you can shut of catabolism, and the more likely you will be to use the protein you ingest for synthesis of new muscle tissue.

The molecular weight of the WM can also increase absorption of other nutrients that would be consumed pwo. IE: creatine, leucine, taurine, etc.
The concern with this is, the added nutrients may effect the total moleculare weight of the "meal." (amino acids are MUCH lower in molecular weight than WM) This may effect some of the benefits of the high molecular weight.

In my self research, I have noticed a decrease in the absorption rate of WM with the addition of other nutrients. I've found that once the total amount of added ingredients reaches about 20-25g per 75g of WM, there is a change in blood sugar levels, as opposed to pure WM, indicating to me that the WM isn't being "pulled" through the gut as quickly.
I limit my post workout additions to WM to a very limited amount of specific nutrients (leucine and creatine)
The rest of my protein is consumed about 20min later.

[TooPowerful4u]

I am so smart, smrt.   On a serious note, I have heard many good things about this. 

The high molecular weight, "pulls" the WM through the gut, into the small intestine, where the bulk of carbohydrate metabolism occurs.
This "pull" causes an osmolic effect, drawing water with it, allowing more water to be drawn into the muscle as well. (you may feel dehydrated for a bit after taking WM)  Studies have shown conclusively that there is increased glycogen synthesis for around 2 hours after ingestion of WM as opposed to glucose.

It is VERY effective at glycogen restoration post workout. The faster you can restore glycogen, the faster you can shut of catabolism, and the more likely you will be to use the protein you ingest for synthesis of new muscle tissue.

The molecular weight of the WM can also increase absorption of other nutrients that would be consumed pwo. IE: creatine, leucine, taurine, etc.
The concern with this is, the added nutrients may effect the total moleculare weight of the "meal." (amino acids are MUCH lower in molecular weight than WM) This may effect some of the benefits of the high molecular weight.

In my self research, I have noticed a decrease in the absorption rate of WM with the addition of other nutrients. I've found that once the total amount of added ingredients reaches about 20-25g per 75g of WM, there is a change in blood sugar levels, as opposed to pure WM, indicating to me that the WM isn't being "pulled" through the gut as quickly.
I limit my post workout additions to WM to a very limited amount of specific nutrients (leucine and creatine)
The rest of my protein is consumed about 20min later.

Sounds an aweful lot like a "bodybuilding guru" i know of haha (and a damn good competitor on top of that.... you would be wise to listen to this man...

im gonna take this to promuscle in order to insure no bs interferes.... hehe

[The True Adonis]

hahahha listen to all of this bullshit.

You guys act like a couple of hour sessions in the gym a week is killing you that you need something so powerful(when it reality it isn`t) to help you recover.hahahah

Newsflash, you aren`t doing anything THAT strenuous where you are catabolic.  NOT AT ALL!

A marathon runner,swimmer,endurance athlete may benefit from this type of supplementation but not a bodybuilder unless he was to spend hours daily in the gym...We don`t see that happening much.

Even then it still wouldn`t really matter.  I have yet to see a groundbreaking natural bodybuilder.  One that, because of supplementation, is so far ahead.  In 60 years, few Lifetime naturals can even look as good or hold as much muscle as Steve Reeves,Clarence Ross or even John Grimek.

You are delusional if you think ANY supplement you are going to buy is going to really amount to shit.  That is unless you are training in a sport.  Bodybuilding isn`t grueling enough to warrant such supplementation. Sorry.

[Van_Bilderass]

True Adonis is right. It just ain't gonna do much to micromanage your nutrients like that. There may be a small effect but it would take years to manifest as even a small amount of muscle. If you eat carbs and protein somewhat evenly spaced throughout the day you are going to have aminos and glucose flowing in your bloodstream at all times anyway. I like the convinience of protein and carb shakes but I don't kid myself: it won't do anything meat and potatoes don't.

BTW, some kids were asking on Mayhem how come Ronnie doesn't have a shake immediately after training? He eats a solid meal within an hour after training instead. Isn't a carb/protein shake an absolute must after training?? LOL. I think Chad said it don't matter as he has eaten before training and he eats within an hour anyway hahaha.

[pushinweightwi]

hahahha listen to all of this bullshit.

You guys act like a couple of hour sessions in the gym a week is killing you that you need something so powerful(when it reality it isn`t) to help you recover.hahahah

Newsflash, you aren`t doing anything THAT strenuous where you are catabolic.  NOT AT ALL!

A marathon runner,swimmer,endurance athlete may benefit from this type of supplementation but not a bodybuilder unless he was to spend hours daily in the gym...We don`t see that happening much.

Even then it still wouldn`t really matter.  I have yet to see a groundbreaking natural bodybuilder.  One that, because of supplementation, is so far ahead.  In 60 years, few Lifetime naturals can even look as good or hold as much muscle as Steve Reeves,Clarence Ross or even John Grimek.

You are delusional if you think ANY supplement you are going to buy is going to really amount to shit.  That is unless you are training in a sport.  Bodybuilding isn`t grueling enough to warrant such supplementation. Sorry.

Adonis if you were to see a "groundbreaking" natural now a days would you even believe they are natural?

[Iago]

Honestly, Milos overcomplicates things to an incredible degree which seems to do more harm than good.  His clients seem to either never improve or get progressively worse, especially when it comes to the day of the show.  Case in point is DJ and Luke Wood.  Both looked better before being mangled by Milos and have since gotten steadily worse.  Both look great 3-4 weeks before a show and look relatively awful during the actual contest they are supposed to have been prepped for by Milos.  I am going to go out on a limb here and say he consistently overdiets the shit out of his clients and then puts them through some ridiculously complex last minute drying out/carbing up protocol, which clearly doesn't work. 

In short making up super complicated crap might give you the appearance of being cutting edge when in fact you are a hack who is just overcomplicating stuff.  If you are consuming more calories than you are burning and getting progressively stronger you will grow.  Look at Ronnie Coleman and how complicated his fucking training protocol is:  lift big ass weight, eat, sleep, and repeat.  Who would pay Milos the ridiculous sum of $200-300 an hour for such simple advice though?  Nobody, so Milos makes up fancy shit to dazzle them into forking over the big bucks for a bunch of bullshit.  Milos is like MuscleTech personified.

[Bast000]

it's liquefied D-bol.

[Alpine]

Honestly, Milos overcomplicates things to an incredible degree which seems to do more harm than good.  His clients seem to either never improve or get progressively worse, especially when it comes to the day of the show.  Case in point is DJ and Luke Wood.  Both looked better before being mangled by Milos and have since gotten steadily worse.  Both look great 3-4 weeks before a show and look relatively awful during the actual contest they are supposed to have been prepped for by Milos.  I am going to go out on a limb here and say he consistently overdiets the shit out of his clients and then puts them through some ridiculously complex last minute drying out/carbing up protocol, which clearly doesn't work. 

In short making up super complicated crap might give you the appearance of being cutting edge when in fact you are a hack who is just overcomplicating stuff.  If you are consuming more calories than you are burning and getting progressively stronger you will grow.  Look at Ronnie Coleman and how complicated his fucking training protocol is:  lift big ass weight, eat, sleep, and repeat.  Who would pay Milos the ridiculous sum of $200-300 an hour for such simple advice though?  Nobody, so Milos makes up fancy shit to dazzle them into forking over the big bucks for a bunch of bullshit.  Milos is like MuscleTech personified.

Well, who would pay Chad 10% of the winnings for a contest prep? Ronnie? Yes...lol...and many other big names

Once you have Ronnie other clients just fall into place and you look like a wizard. The truth is Chad is a schmoe just like Milos and everyone else. All their experience comes from simple trial and error. If you experiment long enough with diuretic and carb-up programs you will learn some things. Thats just the tip of the iceberg but you get the idea. They dont have any real, solid medical background or education. It's pretty hard to go wrong with a genetic freak like Ronnie anyway. What fantastic marketing for a snake oil voodoo doctor such as Chad.

[Iago]

Well, who would pay Chad 10% of the winnings for a contest prep? Ronnie? Yes...lol...and many other big names

Once you have Ronnie other clients just fall into place and you look like a wizard. The truth is Chad is a schmoe just like Milos and everyone else. All their experience comes from simple trial and error. If you experiment long enough with diuretic and carb-up programs you will learn some things. Thats just the tip of the iceberg but you get the idea. They dont have any real, solid medical background or education. It's pretty hard to go wrong with a genetic freak like Ronnie anyway. What fantastic marketing for a snake oil voodoo doctor such as Chad.

Oh I agree, Chad is nearly as bad as Milos, but he has managed to actually prep a client successfully a couple times which is something Milos can't say.  Chad's success rate is bad while Milos' is horrific.  Granted non of Milos' clients have lost kidneys yet.  Either way I wouldn't touch either of them with a ten foot pole when it comes to diet or training

[dzulboy]

Yeah right.  Like a supplement will do anything.  Natural training has not progressed in the last 60 years even.  The natural bodybuilders of the 40s carry the same size as todays top naturals.

The only thing you are going to revolutionize is a quicker way to scam some dollars off of naive children and delusional weightlifters.

you seriously do not believe supplements work?  WOW youare more delusional then i thought i can name at least a dozen that are great

[dzulboy]

Well, who would pay Chad 10% of the winnings for a contest prep? Ronnie? Yes...lol...and many other big names

Once you have Ronnie other clients just fall into place and you look like a wizard. The truth is Chad is a schmoe just like Milos and everyone else. All their experience comes from simple trial and error. If you experiment long enough with diuretic and carb-up programs you will learn some things. Thats just the tip of the iceberg but you get the idea. They dont have any real, solid medical background or education. It's pretty hard to go wrong with a genetic freak like Ronnie anyway. What fantastic marketing for a snake oil voodoo doctor such as Chad.

so true

[Milos_Sarcev]

What else to expect than normal "GETBIG" responses...(even mother Theresa would be questioned for her morals by some of you...so I really have nothing to complain...)

Few did mention Vitargo and I can tell you that much - Vitargo IS just ONE of the components - everything else is just a bit more complicated...as it has to be VERY SPECIFIC.

I will explain and PROVE validity of all the claims my company will be making about these specific drinks.
Certainly, I cannot win on this board even if I claim that grass is green and/or sky is blue...so I will let the color blind "tear me appart"  as they always do  ...

But for every "getbiger" suffering from daltonism there are numerous open minded people with "clear vision" that might consider opening their eyes and looking in the right direction...

For those people who would be interested to hear what my company has to say about the products we are about to make - I can promise one thing: YOU WOULD NOT BE DISSAPOINTED...

For the "usual sceptics" - oh well...when you see what happens to the "others" (people that will try my "magic potions") - you might change your mind...Until than - enjoy your "positive outlook on life"...and DO NOT drink water if you are thirsty or severely dehydrated...After all water must be(!?) also "overrated"

 

[Van_Bilderass]

Milos I will say this: I will be very surprised if it contains anything novel or is in any way revolutionary like you say. I'm sure there will be glutamine, some form of creatine, BCAAs etc. Maybe you will even put a little sodium in there to improve the effects.

[Luke Wood]

Honestly, Milos overcomplicates things to an incredible degree which seems to do more harm than good.  His clients seem to either never improve or get progressively worse, especially when it comes to the day of the show.  Case in point is DJ and Luke Wood.  Both looked better before being mangled by Milos and have since gotten steadily worse.  Both look great 3-4 weeks before a show and look relatively awful during the actual contest they are supposed to have been prepped for by Milos.  I am going to go out on a limb here and say he consistently overdiets the shit out of his clients and then puts them through some ridiculously complex last minute drying out/carbing up protocol, which clearly doesn't work. 

In short making up super complicated crap might give you the appearance of being cutting edge when in fact you are a hack who is just overcomplicating stuff.  If you are consuming more calories than you are burning and getting progressively stronger you will grow.  Look at Ronnie Coleman and how complicated his fucking training protocol is:  lift big ass weight, eat, sleep, and repeat.  Who would pay Milos the ridiculous sum of $200-300 an hour for such simple advice though?  Nobody, so Milos makes up fancy shit to dazzle them into forking over the big bucks for a bunch of bullshit.  Milos is like MuscleTech personified.

Firstly please answer me this! How on gods green earth can you say Milos has "MANGLED" me or Dennis for that matter?? How have we got worse since being with him?? Before i came to Milos i had done 4 pro shows. The first one. Dieted from 275 to 225! over dieted. The second one. 275 to 228! over dieted. The 3rd one. 280 to 230 over dieted. the 4th one 290 to 230. over dieted! The 5th one (under Milos) dieted from 280 to 250!  now i see a pattern here. I have improved out site since being with Milos. After NY last year i made the decision to do another 3 shows and 3 guest appearances and burnt myself out! Not Milos doing at all, but myself pushing the envelop to far. My worst showing was in Texas and i was still 244lbs.  Now remember, i live in Australia. Before i left the US last year in November Milos and myself say down and constructed a plan for the NY pro show this year. I hit an offseason of 285lbs and was still only 9% BF due to Milos's advice. I dieted for NY in Australia and came to Milos 3 weeks out of NY show and was 264lbs and peeled! READY! All this was Milos and his advice over the phone and over the net. I would sent pictures and he would tell me what to do. I am still trying to figure out how Milos has made me go backwards?? Now as i have said 50 times before but 1 more time i will say, i came down with a severe urinary tract infection 1 week out of the NY show which in turn cause me to go through endless nites sleep and incredible pain on stage.  I suppose this was Milos fault as well? I might go and jump off the Empire state building and is that Milos's fault as well. The promblem here is, alot of guys blame there GURO for there mishaps, but never look at how much they are the ones who have really stuffed up! in this case it was just very bad luck and very bad timing!

You say who would pay $200-$300 for simple advice from Milos?? where is your evidence that Milos's advice is simple?? Have you seen him before and sat down with him? do you know anyone who has? if so, who? If you are going by the advice Milos gives on this forum as his sole knowledge, than you are very mistaken! This is only absolute basics on this forum you read. Milos is a professional and this is his job. So it would be very unfair to for him to go into great detail about nutrition and training and people pay him good money to get this advice! and i have NEVER seen one who takes this advice go backwards!
My advice to you is put your money where your mouth is and give him a try! The investment will be HUGE!

[Mr. Intenseone]

What else to expect than normal "GETBIG" responses...(even mother Theresa would be questioned for her morals by some of you...so I really have nothing to complain...)

Few did mention Vitargo and I can tell you that much - Vitargo IS just ONE of the components - everything else is just a bit more complicated...as it has to be VERY SPECIFIC.

I will explain and PROVE validity of all the claims my company will be making about these specific drinks.
Certainly, I cannot win on this board even if I claim that grass is green and/or sky is blue...so I will let the color blind "tear me appart"  as they always do  ...

But for every "getbiger" suffering from daltonism there are numerous open minded people with "clear vision" that might consider opening their eyes and looking in the right direction...

For those people who would be interested to hear what my company has to say about the products we are about to make - I can promise one thing: YOU WOULD NOT BE DISSAPOINTED...

For the "usual sceptics" - oh well...when you see what happens to the "others" (people that will try my "magic potions") - you might change your mind...Until than - enjoy your "positive outlook on life"...and DO NOT drink water if you are thirsty or severely dehydrated...After all water must be(!?) also "overrated"

 

Is it the American version of Vitargo?

[The True Adonis]

Say what you want supplements are all garbage and will not do anything really.  I have yet to see any NATURAL WAY AHEAD of the NATURALS 50-60 YEARS AGO.

They are at the same level as todays top Naturals.

Proof that supplementation has done next to nothing.

[dzulboy]

Say what you want supplements are all garbage and will not do anything really.  I have yet to see any NATURAL WAY AHEAD of the NATURALS 50-60 YEARS AGO.

They are at the same level as todays top Naturals.

Proof that supplementation has done next to nothing.

your inbred aren't you      your like one of those handicapped kids with retard strength   right?

[TooPowerful4u]

your inbred aren't you      your like one of those handicapped kids with retard strength   right?

ROFLMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!  OMG i have tears in my eyes

[The True Adonis]

your inbred aren't you      your like one of those handicapped kids with retard strength   right?

Again, show me some Naturals that BLOW AWAY Steve Reeves,Clarence Ross or John Grimek due to supplementation and modern methods.

You can`t.

You obviously know nothing about bodybuilding.  You just know how to inject and use recreational drugs like your heros, Craig Titus and Kamali.

[anvil]

Adonis owns this thread.  No current naturals blow those guys away.  Case closed.