Author Topic: what's Milos' "special drink" (Read 24713 times)

The True Adonis · « **Reply #75 on:** August 10, 2006, 07:38:35 AM »

Clarence Ross

bigmc · « **Reply #76 on:** August 10, 2006, 07:41:09 AM »

Ross was awesome

However he was fairly unique in those days

Im not saying there are better now but there is alot more guys maybe without the genetics walking round at that sort of size

you can see decent sized guys in most gyms now

The True Adonis · « **Reply #77 on:** August 10, 2006, 07:42:19 AM »

Quote from: bigmc on August 10, 2006, 07:41:09 AM

Ross was awesome

However he was fairly unique in those days

Im not saying there are better now but there is alot more guys maybe without the genetics walking round at that sort of size

you can see decent sized guys in most gyms now

I can`t seem to find many top naturals even today that Outclass Clarence Ross.

alexxx · « **Reply #78 on:** August 10, 2006, 07:43:26 AM »

Quote from: kiwiol on August 09, 2006, 06:06:04 PM

What about ALEXXX ?

Soon my friend I will be bigger. Right now my condition and muscle shape is better.

dzulboy · « **Reply #79 on:** August 10, 2006, 07:49:40 AM »

Quote from: The True Adonis on August 10, 2006, 07:21:52 AM

Again, show me some Naturals that BLOW AWAY Steve Reeves,Clarence Ross or John Grimek due to supplementation and modern methods.

You can`t.

You obviously know nothing about bodybuilding. You just know how to inject and use recreational drugs like your heros, Craig Titus and Kamali.

grimek used dbol it was admitted in musclemag or one of those years ago
someone else pointed out reeves adviced people on steroid use

do a little research and you will realize how long steroids have been around adn how many there are theonly thing the germans did that was worth anything dureing the time of hitler was come up with over 200 various steroids esters and derivatives (half f todays "pro-steroids" supplements are these substances

adonis you obviously have zero clue what youare talking about juice has been around longer then suppkements and the suppkements today have science to back them up

science would be one of the main classes you would have had in school

sorry to say your heros of yester-year were juiced too the ony one i believe wasn;t was jack la lanne (guys a freak)

The True Adonis · « **Reply #80 on:** August 10, 2006, 08:08:30 AM »

Quote from: dzulboy on August 10, 2006, 07:49:40 AM

grimek used dbol it was admitted in musclemag or one of those years ago
someone else pointed out reeves adviced people on steroid use

do a little research and you will realize how long steroids have been around adn how many there are theonly thing the germans did that was worth anything dureing the time of hitler was come up with over 200 various steroids esters and derivatives (half f todays "pro-steroids" supplements are these substances

adonis you obviously have zero clue what youare talking about juice has been around longer then suppkements and the suppkements today have science to back them up

science would be one of the main classes you would have had in school

sorry to say your heros of yester-year were juiced too the ony one i believe wasn;t was jack la lanne (guys a freak)

You fucking IDIOT. Dianabol wasn`t even invented when John Grimek was competing.

God you are stupid. You don`t even deserve to be a bodybuilder.

Height 5'8"

Weight 195

Born June 17, 1910 Perth Amboy, New Jersey

Died November 20, 1998

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1939

York Perfect Man, Overall Winner
York Perfect Man, Medium, 1st

1940

Mr America - AAU, Most Muscular, 1st
Mr America - AAU, Winner

1941

Mr America - AAU, Winner

1946

Most Muscular Man in America, Winner

1948

Mr Universe - NABBA, Medium, 1st
Mr Universe - NABBA, Winner

1949

Mr USA, Winner

The True Adonis · « **Reply #81 on:** August 10, 2006, 08:12:32 AM »

Dzulboy, you have been owned.

You don`t know shit about bodybuilding or its history.

The True Adonis · « **Reply #82 on:** August 10, 2006, 08:14:41 AM »

Additonally, most independent scientific studies done on various supplements, such as Glutamine, have found no evidence of its/their effectiveness.

jaejonna · « **Reply #83 on:** August 10, 2006, 08:17:37 AM »

Adonis do you take any supplements and if so what ?

Mars · « **Reply #84 on:** August 10, 2006, 08:17:56 AM »

Yes glutamine is horseshit.

anvil · « **Reply #85 on:** August 10, 2006, 08:22:05 AM »

dzulboy, you say "supplements today have science to back them up"

Back what up? The fact that their results are miniscule and a waste of money? One needn't have a phd in biochemistry to know that.

I drink protein powder, as it's easier than sitting down to a prepared meal. But it's results won't benefit me any more than clean food, and damn sure isn't gonna make me look like Ronnie Coleman.

The True Adonis · « **Reply #86 on:** August 10, 2006, 08:29:09 AM »

Quote from: jaejonna on August 10, 2006, 08:17:37 AM

Adonis do you take any supplements and if so what ?

Protein Powder, the cheapest possible usually which is the GNC brand or the Vitamin Shoppe brand.

They meet their label claims and taste pretty good.

I use protein because it is simply a food supplement and cuts down on the cooking and is convienent. Its not necessary though. Just makes things easier.

corinth · « **Reply #87 on:** August 10, 2006, 08:37:33 AM »

Quote from: The True Adonis on August 10, 2006, 08:29:09 AM

Protein Powder, the cheapest possible usually which is the GNC brand or the Vitamin Shoppe brand.

They meet their label claims and taste pretty good.

I use protein because it is simply a food supplement and cuts down on the cooking and is convienent. Its not necessary though. Just makes things easier.

Adonis, there are a few supplements that are worthwhile. Creatine is definitely a supplement everyone who trains should give a try. And there have been thousands of studies done to verify it's effectiveness. Glutamine is one for me that has never lived up to the hype, but I've seen too many people make good solid gains on creatine.

jaejonna · « **Reply #88 on:** August 10, 2006, 08:37:56 AM »

Quote from: anvil on August 10, 2006, 08:22:05 AM

dzulboy, you say "supplements today have science to back them up"

bigmc · « **Reply #89 on:** August 10, 2006, 08:40:46 AM »

I saw an advert where Greg Kovacs said he got to 350lbs by taking muscletech products

If thats not convincing science i dont know what is

How else could a natural bodybuilder like Kovacs get so big

jaejonna · « **Reply #90 on:** August 10, 2006, 08:42:03 AM »

I had taken a two year layoff from supps and in the meanwhile concentrated on rest, training, diet ect instead..I have to say that I am at my strongest, leanest and biggest... with the upcoming Mr. Getbig coming up I found it an oppurtune time to get an extra 'lift' buy spending some loot on supps... So I got the GNC brand whey (taste good!) MultiVitamins (which i have been taken forever...even during the break), Glutamine, Creatine, and BCAAs ...notihng like Gakic or NO2 .... I drink good amount of coffee throughout the day with skim milk no sugar...so I dont take a fat burner per se ...that about it..

bigmc · « **Reply #91 on:** August 10, 2006, 08:48:05 AM »

I agree with the multi-vitamins

I dont think you can look beyond quality food, id take a couple of chicken breasts over a protein shake anyday

I wasted too much money on all that shit when i started out and did not know any better

The supplement companies don't deserve the money after all the scams they have pulled

Myostatin blockers please!

The True Adonis · « **Reply #92 on:** August 10, 2006, 08:49:53 AM »

Quote from: jaejonna on August 10, 2006, 08:42:03 AM

I had taken a two year layoff from supps and in the meanwhile concentrated on rest, training, diet ect instead..I have to say that I am at my strongest, leanest and biggest... with the upcoming Mr. Getbig coming up I found it an oppurtune time to get an extra 'lift' buy spending some loot on supps... So I got the GNC brand whey (taste good!) MultiVitamins (which i have been taken forever...even during the break), Glutamine, Creatine, and BCAAs ...notihng like Gakic or NO2 .... I drink good amount of coffee throughout the day with skim milk no sugar...so I dont take a fat burner per se ...that about it..

hahhha the GNC salesman owned you.

jaejonna · « **Reply #93 on:** August 10, 2006, 08:59:40 AM »

Quote from: The True Adonis on August 10, 2006, 08:49:53 AM

hahhha the GNC salesman owned you.

Creatine, i had from someone else ...I been had glutamine for free from my brother... the protein was only 11.99, the Bcaa were only 13 bucks and cause the second one was half off it came to 18 bucks in total..thats like two drinks in the city, i piss 18 bucks...im burning a 20 dollar bill right now . Now if I bout up to 100 bucks worth of Muscletech shit then yes that is an owning but not 18 bucks ..hahha your money is short

The True Adonis · « **Reply #94 on:** August 10, 2006, 09:10:01 AM »

The May/June 1949 issue of Ironman has an article by Lee Ward (Ross' training partner according to the article) that tells of 3 hour workouts done Monday, Wednesday and Friday. Here is the outline of Ross' workout given at the end of the article and another pic of Ross.

TooPowerful4u · « **Reply #95 on:** August 10, 2006, 10:11:19 AM »

I could sit here n argue with Adonis, but he argues like a second grader..."its right because i said so!" . Ok now since he cant logically argue with me he will go into bashing me and my friends.... thats his only way to win because he has no real merit behind anything he says.

So im just gonna post a link for ya with pictures of the overall winner of the Team U who was polygraphed and piss tested clean..... and he doesnt diet for the show and he looks like this all year long, believe me iv seen him at different points of the year and he always looks like this.

http://www.graphicmuscle.com/index.cfm?go2=contests_competitor&CompetitorID=9511

anvil · « **Reply #96 on:** August 10, 2006, 10:20:55 AM »

The guy looks about 4'10" and still doesn't blow away the guys Adonis mentioned from decades ago. Definitely looks very good though, deserves props.

YoungBlood · « **Reply #97 on:** August 10, 2006, 11:04:07 AM »

http://www.d-blade.com/

http://www.abc.net.au/science/slab/testost/story.htm

Years of often extraordinary investigations culminated in the production of synthetic testosterone in 1935. The success of Butenandt and Ruzicka earnt them the 1935 Nobel Prize in Chemistry. And so, the modern persona of this hefty hormone was launched.

First link shows that D-bol was discovered within Clancy Ross' time and could possibly have used it.
The second link shows that testosterone itself was discovered before Ross had ever competed, and it was available to him.

Not sure where Adonis got his info from regarding contest history, but here is what Muscle Memory had:

http://musclememory.com/show.php

1945

Mr America - AAU, Winner
Mr America - AAU, Most Muscular, 1st

1946

Pro Mr America, Winner

1948

Mr USA, Winner

1949

North American Championships - IFBB, Winner
Mr USA, 2nd

1955

Universe - Pro - NABBA, Tall, 1st

1956

Mr USA, 2nd

And here is his magazine appearances, all the way to the 90's.

1945 August       Strength and Health
1945 October   Vol 5, Num 4   Your Physique
1946 December   Vol 2, Num 2   Muscle Power
1947 July       Strength and Health
1947 October   Vol 8, Num 1   Your Physique
1947 December   Vol 2, Num 12   Chicago Bodybuilder
1948 February   Vol 4, Num 5   Muscle Power
1948 June   Vol 9, Num 3   Your Physique
1948 July   Vol 8, Num 2   IronMan
1948 July   Vol 6, Num 2   Muscle Power
1948 December   Vol 7, Num 1   Muscle Power
1949 June   Vol 8, Num 1   Muscle Power
1949 June   Vol 11, Num 3   Your Physique
1950 January   Vol 10, Num 1   IronMan
1950 January   Vol 9, Num 2   Muscle Power
1950 April   Vol 13, Num 1   Your Physique
1950 October   Vol 10, Num 5   Muscle Power
1950 October   Vol 14, Num 1   Your Physique
1951 June   Vol 12, Num 1   Muscle Power
1951 August   Vol 15, Num 5   Your Physique
1951 December   Vol 16, Num 3   Your Physique
1952    Vol 1, Num 3   Mr Universe
1952 February   Vol 81, Num 4   Health and Strength
1952 July   Vol 17, Num 4   Your Physique
1952 October   Vol 14, Num 5   Muscle Power
1953    Vol 1, Num 8   Mr Universe
1953 March   Vol 15, Num 4   Muscle Power
1953 April   Vol 12, Num 5   IronMan
1953 October   Vol 1, Num 3   Muscle Builder
1953 December   Vol 1, Num 4   Muscle Builder
1954 January   Vol 16, Num 5   Muscle Power
1954 March       Reg Park Journal
1954 June   Vol 17, Num 5   Muscle Power
1954 December   Vol 3, Num 5   Muscle Builder
1955 April   Vol 4, Num 3   Muscle Builder
1955 June   Vol 18, Num 5   Muscle Power
1955 September   Vol 9, Num 9   The Bodybuilder
1956 March   Vol 19, Num 2   Muscle Power
1956 November   Vol 85, Num 24   Health and Strength
1957 November   Vol 20, Num 8   Muscle Power
1958 March   Vol 87, Num 7   Health and Strength
1958 October   Vol 1, Num 6   Muscle Builder
1959 June   Vol 2, Num 4   Muscle Sculpture
1963 March   Vol 13, Num 5   Muscle Builder
1995 January   Vol 6, Num 4   Hardgainer
1996 April   Vol 122, Num 2   Health and Strength

So, Adonis, Clancy very well could have used juice. Not to the extent that others do today, but it is known that Bill Pearl used. So if Pearl used, you think the rest of the group would be clean as your boyfriends dick?

The True Adonis · « **Reply #98 on:** August 10, 2006, 11:16:04 AM »

Quote from: YoungBlood on August 10, 2006, 11:04:07 AM

http://www.d-blade.com/

http://www.abc.net.au/science/slab/testost/story.htm

Years of often extraordinary investigations culminated in the production of synthetic testosterone in 1935. The success of Butenandt and Ruzicka earnt them the 1935 Nobel Prize in Chemistry. And so, the modern persona of this hefty hormone was launched.

First link shows that D-bol was discovered within Clancy Ross' time and could possibly have used it.
The second link shows that testosterone itself was discovered before Ross had ever competed, and it was available to him.

Not sure where Adonis got his info from regarding contest history, but here is what Muscle Memory had:

http://musclememory.com/show.php

1945

Mr America - AAU, Winner
Mr America - AAU, Most Muscular, 1st

1946

Pro Mr America, Winner

1948

Mr USA, Winner

1949

North American Championships - IFBB, Winner
Mr USA, 2nd

1955

Universe - Pro - NABBA, Tall, 1st

1956

Mr USA, 2nd

And here is his magazine appearances, all the way to the 90's.

1945 August       Strength and Health
1945 October   Vol 5, Num 4   Your Physique
1946 December   Vol 2, Num 2   Muscle Power
1947 July       Strength and Health
1947 October   Vol 8, Num 1   Your Physique
1947 December   Vol 2, Num 12   Chicago Bodybuilder
1948 February   Vol 4, Num 5   Muscle Power
1948 June   Vol 9, Num 3   Your Physique
1948 July   Vol 8, Num 2   IronMan
1948 July   Vol 6, Num 2   Muscle Power
1948 December   Vol 7, Num 1   Muscle Power
1949 June   Vol 8, Num 1   Muscle Power
1949 June   Vol 11, Num 3   Your Physique
1950 January   Vol 10, Num 1   IronMan
1950 January   Vol 9, Num 2   Muscle Power
1950 April   Vol 13, Num 1   Your Physique
1950 October   Vol 10, Num 5   Muscle Power
1950 October   Vol 14, Num 1   Your Physique
1951 June   Vol 12, Num 1   Muscle Power
1951 August   Vol 15, Num 5   Your Physique
1951 December   Vol 16, Num 3   Your Physique
1952    Vol 1, Num 3   Mr Universe
1952 February   Vol 81, Num 4   Health and Strength
1952 July   Vol 17, Num 4   Your Physique
1952 October   Vol 14, Num 5   Muscle Power
1953    Vol 1, Num 8   Mr Universe
1953 March   Vol 15, Num 4   Muscle Power
1953 April   Vol 12, Num 5   IronMan
1953 October   Vol 1, Num 3   Muscle Builder
1953 December   Vol 1, Num 4   Muscle Builder
1954 January   Vol 16, Num 5   Muscle Power
1954 March       Reg Park Journal
1954 June   Vol 17, Num 5   Muscle Power
1954 December   Vol 3, Num 5   Muscle Builder
1955 April   Vol 4, Num 3   Muscle Builder
1955 June   Vol 18, Num 5   Muscle Power
1955 September   Vol 9, Num 9   The Bodybuilder
1956 March   Vol 19, Num 2   Muscle Power
1956 November   Vol 85, Num 24   Health and Strength
1957 November   Vol 20, Num 8   Muscle Power
1958 March   Vol 87, Num 7   Health and Strength
1958 October   Vol 1, Num 6   Muscle Builder
1959 June   Vol 2, Num 4   Muscle Sculpture
1963 March   Vol 13, Num 5   Muscle Builder
1995 January   Vol 6, Num 4   Hardgainer
1996 April   Vol 122, Num 2   Health and Strength

So, Adonis, Clancy very well could have used juice. Not to the extent that others do today, but it is known that Bill Pearl used. So if Pearl used, you think the rest of the group would be clean as your boyfriends dick?

Clearly you know nothing of Clancy Ross or any of the old guys. You need to do some more research in regards to when Steroids were first implemented.

Clancy was competing in the 40s and 50s. No drugs were used PERIOD. End of story. There is not one single documented case of any of these guys using anything by anyone.

Furhtermore Grimek was winning shows when testosterone wasn`t even developed.

The True Adonis · « **Reply #99 on:** August 10, 2006, 11:23:05 AM »

Grimek was also an Olympic lifter.