lesson to remember (especially for beginners)

[GetItOnNY]

GH15  is just like every other pro, he is Using Anator 70 to alter his gentic code, then he will use Gakic the last 8 weeks of his contest prep and gain 10.7% increase in strength.Dr Marvin Heur of the University of Nottingham Medical School has given all the top pro bodybuilders new Hydroxycut Hardcore Liquid caps so they can get down to negative 2 % bobdydat in 8 weeks

[The True Adonis]

i know my english is not harverd but it is also not farm raised good alabama or missississpi

i said reeves WAS natural. he experiemnted with testosterone and pre testosterone products (tablets) exactly like the nazi army experiemnted with them in the 30s and 40s. he didnt have enough product and he couldnt make any significant gains with them beside retaining some of the muscle while dieting hard. it was NOT to significant levels and was not a major factor.

steve reeves was the closest thhing to natural that you will ever see as a bodybuilder. steve reeves was indeed a natural.

*you can live up to 90-100 even if you inject hormones it wont take away off your life if you keep everything with balance. probodybuilding is not balanced thus shorter life spans that ends at 60-80 at an average. now,,i myself,,have never met the 6 foot dude that kept lean 7% bf and maintained 250lb naturally,,i did see 6 foot 230-240 at 12-13% clean!,,i have yet to meet 6foot 250 at 7% clean for over a year,, but then again im not here to fight with you ny,,you seem like a nice guy.

I like you, but you don`t know what in the hell you are talking about when it comes to Steve Reeves.

You are talking out of your ass and making shit up about the man and I don`t appreciate it.

He never once touched a thing.  He looked his absolute best in the late 40s and early 50`s way before hormones or anything hit the American shores.  While he did look good throughout the years, his best was when he was a bodybuilder and he was and always had been lifetime natural his whole life.

You may know about the current guys, but you know dick about the bodybuilders of the past.

[GetItOnNY]

To bad Muscle Tech wasnt around when Steve Reeves was bodybuilding in his prime.He would have been 300 lbs ripped thanks to Hydroxycut

[gh15]

I like you, but you don`t know what in the hell you are talking about when it comes to Steve Reeves.

You are talking out of your ass and making shit up about the man and I don`t appreciate it.

He never once touched a thing.  He looked his absolute best in the late 40s and early 50`s way before hormones or anything hit the American shores.  While he did look good throughout the years, his best was when he was a bodybuilder and he was and always had been lifetime natural his whole life.

You may know about the current guys, but you know dick about the bodybuilders of the past.

do me a favor and read again what i said. he WAS the closest thing to natural you will ever find when it comes to this level of competition. testosterone products were available since the 30s,,you could get them through doctor and by other means exactly like you could get mexican items all through the 90s up to this date,,and exactly like you can get the powders these days directly from asia.

then there was ZERO supervision and everything was experiemnted. no one knew or care what it was beside the military and few writers and lifters,,,now days every 17 year old is interested. that is the diff!

never the less steve reeves was indeed THE CLOSEST THING YOU WILL FIND TO NATURAL. he only experiemnted and nothing else and this is MY OPINION you can disagree.

[thisiskeith12]

Adonis sure acts like a girl about this.

[Van_Bilderass]

I like you, but you don`t know what in the hell you are talking about when it comes to Steve Reeves.

You are talking out of your ass and making shit up about the man and I don`t appreciate it.

He never once touched a thing.  He looked his absolute best in the late 40s and early 50`s way before hormones or anything hit the American shores.  While he did look good throughout the years, his best was when he was a bodybuilder and he was and always had been lifetime natural his whole life.

You may know about the current guys, but you know dick about the bodybuilders of the past.

IIRC even Robert Kennedy of Musclemag has said Reeves experimented with testosterone. I recall an interview with some oldtimer who comepeted with Reeves in MD, can't remember his name, who also accused Reeves of experimenting with test. Who the hell knows.

[BigSexy50]

titus isnt doing himself any favors sporting the shaved head and goatee in court like that

You are right, but Titus looks a hell of a lot heathier than when he was originally arressted.  Now that he is off of the crystal meth and possibly given up the Newports, he actually looks like he has put on weight.

[bmacsys]

Steve Reeves won every single contest and retired way before Hormones were even introduced in the United States.

You are dead wrong on Steve Reeves GH15.

Why do fucking people insist on dragging Steve Reeves name through the mud? steroids didn't become prevelant in bodybuilding till around 1964.

[The True Adonis]

Why do fucking people insist on dragging Steve Reeves name through the mud? steroids didn't become prevelant in bodybuilding till around 1964.

Its the same reason they accuse me and Daddywaddy of steroid use....Jealousy.

[jaejonna]

Its the same reason they accuse me and Daddywaddy of steroid use....Jealousy.

TA have you lifted with DaddyWAddy ? how do you know him and when did you meet him

[HUGEPECS]

titus isnt doing himself any favors sporting the shaved head and goatee in court like that

yeah, if I were him, I would rip that goatee off my face. It make him look guilty already. by the way, he look like he's around 225lbs in that pic

[sarcasm]

titus isnt doing himself any favors sporting the shaved head and goatee in court like that

maybe his new prison husband likes it.

[bmacsys]

Its the same reason they accuse me and Daddywaddy of steroid use....Jealousy.

Stupidity comes into play also.

[The True Adonis]

That's absurd.  That's like saying the reason you bash all the pros is because of jealousy.  The reasons are different for each individual.

I think you have probably/possibly used hormones before because the level you're at now coupled with your age and in some pictures it looked like you were retaining water in your face typical of juicers.

It's in NO WAY unreasonable for people to think you've used in the past.

It is unreasonable.  I`ll take any test, any time, anywhere if someone wanted to provide one.  Lifetime Natural here.

[danielson]

That's absurd.  That's like saying the reason you bash all the pros is because of jealousy.  The reasons are different for each individual.

I think you have probably/possibly used hormones before because the level you're at now coupled with your age and in some pictures it looked like you were retaining water in your face typical of juicers.

It's in NO WAY unreasonable for people to think you've used in the past.

TA wouldn't be as vocal as he is against juicers if he used, imo.

[toolarge4u]

Its the same reason they accuse me and Daddywaddy of steroid use....Jealousy.

you dont look like you use steroids, not even close. I wouldnt worry about, everyone here should believe your natural.

[tom joad]

this is the main proof to show you just HOW MUCH BIG OF A PART drugs are on the average bodybuilder and fitness entusiastic's  life in usa.

jason cutler would be stuck doing ymca shows if not for drugs.

dexjax would be stuck doing the jax district light weight if not for drugs

heath  would be just another black guy with good cuts at 160lb if not for drugs

mike mata would be just,,well would be doing what he does now  ,,if not for drugs

and ron coleman,,well ron coleman does have out of this world physiqe natural or not natural but even ron coleman would be stuck doing mr texas  show,,,or good ole south eastern or something,,, and would NOT win it!! if not for drugs.

these reality checks are great.  gh15 should have a column in flex magazine.   

[The True Adonis]

you dont look like you use steroids, not even close. I wouldnt worry about, everyone here should believe your natural.

Whats worse is that you don`t look like you use steroids as many naturals,myself included, are way ahead of you.

You are a joke...So is your gay life partner Mo Elbasouni.

[toolarge4u]

Whats worse is that you don`t look like you use steroids as many naturals,myself included, are way ahead of you.

You are a joke...So is your gay life partner Mo Elbasouni.

whos mo? And wtf? I wasnt busting on you? You look natural

[NarcissisticDeity]

Adam, do you know about the history of AAS?  It was definitely available to Steve Reeves in the fourties.

Wrong ! anabolic steroids wern't available until the late 1950s !! well after Reeves retired .

[pushinweightwi]

I am on the fence with the Reeves debate due to lack of knowledge concerning the subject but is there a difference between "commercially available" and perhaps have the right connections to score you "experimental" test.  Ex. IGF-1 was not "commercially" available for human use a while ago but you could get some "experimental" stuff I believe. Any thoughts?

[NarcissisticDeity]

I like you, but you don`t know what in the hell you are talking about when it comes to Steve Reeves.

You are talking out of your ass and making shit up about the man and I don`t appreciate it.

He never once touched a thing.  He looked his absolute best in the late 40s and early 50`s way before hormones or anything hit the American shores.  While he did look good throughout the years, his best was when he was a bodybuilder and he was and always had been lifetime natural his whole life.

You may know about the current guys, but you know dick about the bodybuilders of the past.

This man speaks the truth ! great post.

[Tigerman]

This man speaks the truth ! great post.

ND, you seem knowledgable about the early years of bodybuilding, so maybe you can clarify this statement:

"Marnul [Kurt, Arnold's boyhood trainer ] says he learned about steroids from famed bodybuilder Steve Reeves."

http://www.thearnoldfans.com/bodybuilding/history.htm

[dorkeroo]

How in the hell does anyone know if Reeves used or not? Adonis, you weren't even alive when he was competing. Of course Nubret never used either, oh wait, maybe he did. These are pointless arguments.

[dzulboy]

oh,,,this aint no wasting my friend (i used aint like american,, )

this thread will be read by more than few kids and it will bring them back to reality thus resulting in them either using hormones and get there bodybuilding npc goals achieved,, or simply take it easy on everything and keep it as hobby activity like a normal person.

this will minimize gym rats expectations

no it won;t you moron  you just made every kid  wanna take juice cause  now they think thats the only way to suceed

take a basic psych course and try to understand why humans do what they do.........you just said there is not way to succeed without drugs

well your dumb enought to be a pro