lesson to remember (especially for beginners)

[dzulboy]

I like you, but you don`t know what in the hell you are talking about when it comes to Steve Reeves.

You are talking out of your ass and making shit up about the man and I don`t appreciate it.

He never once touched a thing.  He looked his absolute best in the late 40s and early 50`s way before hormones or anything hit the American shores.  While he did look good throughout the years, his best was when he was a bodybuilder and he was and always had been lifetime natural his whole life.

You may know about the current guys, but you know dick about the bodybuilders of the past.

d bol was around circa 1936 in the USA      check your facts    not sure if or not reeves juiced   i would say later in life he did  but its a guess

[Van_Bilderass]

d bol was around circa 1936 in the USA      check your facts   

Haha are you serious? It was not around 1936! Check your facts on when Ziegler developed it.

1956 is the year:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dianabol

[pushinweightwi]

That's like saying don't teach kids about sex and they won't do it as teenagers. Or don't teach them about drugs and they won't do them. Or don't let people watch violent movies and they won't be violent.

I totally agree, lying to people, saying you don't need hormones to reach a certain level, is not the best way to stem use.  I was and am a big fan of not insulting people intelligence with straight up lies.

[Disgusted]

d bol was around circa 1936 in the USA      check your facts    not sure if or not reeves juiced   i would say later in life he did  but its a guess

If rocks had intelligence, you'de be the dumbest one on the planet. 

[NarcissisticDeity]

ND, you seem knowledgable about the early years of bodybuilding, so maybe you can clarify this statement:

"Marnul [Kurt, Arnold's boyhood trainer ] says he learned about steroids from famed bodybuilder Steve Reeves."

http://www.thearnoldfans.com/bodybuilding/history.htm

That was from Wendy Leighs unauthorized biography of Arnold and here is Steve Reeves response.

The other day I was at the local library I was looking at a book entitled ," Arnold An Unauthorized Biography " by an author named Wendy Leigh . on page 27 it stated that Kurt Marnul told Arnold ( Schwarzenegger ) about steriods . Marnul said that he had learned about steriods and their dosages from Steve Reeves , whom he claims to have met in France during a 1952 Vacation . is this true?

Steve Reeves : That statement has also been brought to my attention by a friend who surfs the Internet. No its not true. I never heard of steriods until the mid 1960s and I was never in France during the 1950s! My first trip to France was in 1948 when I entered  and won the " Mr World " contest in Cannes.  My second trip to France was not until 1960 when I attended the premiere of my movie , The Last Days Of Pompeii. "

[Joey Tito]

whos mo? And wtf? I wasnt busting on you? You look natural

Agreed.  Adonis looks like he's been lifting for a year or two and is all natural.  A decent physique for a newbie.  Keep up the great work Adonis!

[Tigerman]

That was from Wendy Leighs unauthorized biography of Arnold and here is Steve Reeves response.

The other day I was at the local library I was looking at a book entitled ," Arnold An Unauthorized Biography " by an author named Wendy Leigh . on page 27 it stated that Kurt Marnul told Arnold ( Schwarzenegger ) about steriods . Marnul said that he had learned about steriods and their dosages from Steve Reeves , whom he claims to have met in France during a 1952 Vacation . is this true?

Steve Reeves : That statement has also been brought to my attention by a friend who surfs the Internet. No its not true. I never heard of steriods until the mid 1960s and I was never in France during the 1950s! My first trip to France was in 1948 when I entered  and won the " Mr World " contest in Cannes.  My second trip to France was not until 1960 when I attended the premiere of my movie , The Last Days Of Pompeii. "

Fair enough, thanks.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Fair enough, thanks.

No problem .

[UK Gold]

That was from Wendy Leighs unauthorized biography of Arnold and here is Steve Reeves response.

The other day I was at the local library I was looking at a book entitled ," Arnold An Unauthorized Biography " by an author named Wendy Leigh . on page 27 it stated that Kurt Marnul told Arnold ( Schwarzenegger ) about steriods . Marnul said that he had learned about steriods and their dosages from Steve Reeves , whom he claims to have met in France during a 1952 Vacation . is this true?

Steve Reeves : That statement has also been brought to my attention by a friend who surfs the Internet. No its not true. I never heard of steriods until the mid 1960s and I was never in France during the 1950s! My first trip to France was in 1948 when I entered  and won the " Mr World " contest in Cannes.  My second trip to France was not until 1960 when I attended the premiere of my movie , The Last Days Of Pompeii. "

But you have to remember that for years Arnold denied doing steroids. You just can't trust bodybuilders when it comes to the gear

[Bast000]

Reeves was definately natural.  At least early on.   His lifts were good but not extremely heavy.  For instance he used 120lb dumbells for incline presses, but he normally used the 100s.  He would do 10-15 reps and did slow negatives.     He had good size but wasn't huge, definately attainable with hard work and good nutrition.

[NarcissisticDeity]

But you have to remember that for years Arnold denied doing steroids. You just can't trust bodybuilders when it comes to the gear

I don't recall Arnold denying steroid use. these are Arnold's quotes reguarding his use.

"I take steroids because they give me an extra 5 percent. Women take the pill. They are somewhat similar. I do it under a doctor's supervision."

Source: 1974 televised interview with Barbara Walters


I never took an overdosage. I took them (steroids) under a doctor's supervision once a year, six or eight weeks before competition. I was always careful and checked, and I never had any side effects."

Source: Playboy, January 1988



"I have no health problems, no kidney damage or anything like that from using them."

Source: Los Angeles Times, June 16, 1996


Even while he was a Mr Olympia he didn't deny his use. and back then steroids were legal without a prescription so he had nothing to hide.

And anabolic steroids were not developed until 1956 in the United State thats a full 6 years after Steve Reeves retirement ! so its impossible that Reeves took them , couple that with him saying he didn't even hear of them until the 60s .

The first weightlifter/bodybuilder that I know of that used anabolic steroids was Bill March in 1959 under the guidence of the creator of them .Dr John Ziegler .

[gh15]

1. synthetic test was first produced in a lab in 1930

2.it was used during the 30s for medical purposes and in the major armys research facilities (ussr, germany, usa)

3. it was introduced to sports in 1940

4. in usa,, doses of it began to be used in 1950 by who ever had connections (athletes, rich people, medical community etc)

5. by the end of 1950s,,testosterone was produced in usa pharmas on a regular basis

6. during the 60s testosterone and other testosterone related products were a part or every serious bodybuilder's life

7. in the 70s average to mega doses of aas were in use by majority of bodybuilders


steeve reeves did experiment with testosteone and other products during the 40s and 50s. he DID NOT finish his career natural. he INDEED was natural at the beggining simply because the level of testosteone plasma he achieved hurt him more than helped him during the early 40s. he simply experiemtned once in a while whenever he got some in his hands.

as i said before he was REAL natural in comparisson to any "natural" athlete now days.

if you want to see bodybuilders/powerlifters who were built ONLY on food and traininng,, i suggest to look twards the very early 1900s. during 1910-1920 every one was 100% natural and only used food.

[GetItOnNY]

GH 15 is about as Natural as some of the so -called natural stars.

[alexxx]

Reeves was definately natural.  At least early on.   His lifts were good but not extremely heavy.  For instance he used 120lb dumbells for incline presses, but he normally used the 100s.  He would do 10-15 reps and did slow negatives.     He had good size but wasn't huge, definately attainable with hard work and good nutrition.

How much do you think that is?

[The True Adonis]

1. synthetic test was first produced in a lab in 1930

2.it was used during the 30s for medical purposes and in the major armys research facilities (ussr, germany, usa)

3. it was introduced to sports in 1940

4. in usa,, doses of it began to be used in 1950 by who ever had connections (athletes, rich people, medical community etc)

5. by the end of 1950s,,testosterone was produced in usa pharmas on a regular basis

6. during the 60s testosterone and other testosterone related products were a part or every serious bodybuilder's life

7. in the 70s average to mega doses of aas were in use by majority of bodybuilders


steeve reeves did experiment with testosteone and other products during the 40s and 50s. he DID NOT finish his career natural. he INDEED was natural at the beggining simply because the level of testosteone plasma he achieved hurt him more than helped him during the early 40s. he simply experiemtned once in a while whenever he got some in his hands.

as i said before he was REAL natural in comparisson to any "natural" athlete now days.

if you want to see bodybuilders/powerlifters who were built ONLY on food and traininng,, i suggest to look twards the very early 1900s. during 1910-1920 every one was 100% natural and only used food.

Total bullshit...Can you even substantiate your information?

You are talking out of your ass again.  Big Time.

[sarcasm]

Total bullshit...Can you even substantiate your information?

You are talking out of your ass again.  Big Time.

hahahaha, GH15 probably believes the Roman centurions were on test.

[NarcissisticDeity]

1. synthetic test was first produced in a lab in 1930

2.it was used during the 30s for medical purposes and in the major armys research facilities (ussr, germany, usa)

3. it was introduced to sports in 1940

4. in usa,, doses of it began to be used in 1950 by who ever had connections (athletes, rich people, medical community etc)

5. by the end of 1950s,,testosterone was produced in usa pharmas on a regular basis

6. during the 60s testosterone and other testosterone related products were a part or every serious bodybuilder's life

7. in the 70s average to mega doses of aas were in use by majority of bodybuilders


steeve reeves did experiment with testosteone and other products during the 40s and 50s. he DID NOT finish his career natural. he INDEED was natural at the beggining simply because the level of testosteone plasma he achieved hurt him more than helped him during the early 40s. he simply experiemtned once in a while whenever he got some in his hands.

as i said before he was REAL natural in comparisson to any "natural" athlete now days.

if you want to see bodybuilders/powerlifters who were built ONLY on food and traininng,, i suggest to look twards the very early 1900s. during 1910-1920 every one was 100% natural and only used food.

steeve reeves did experiment with testosteone and other products during the 40s and 50s. he DID NOT finish his career natural. he INDEED was natural at the beggining simply because the level of testosteone plasma he achieved hurt him more than helped him during the early 40s. he simply experiemtned once in a while whenever he got some in his hands.


You're full of shit ! period no two ways about it. you're making a claim he experimented with testosterone and you have NOT one single shred of evidence . you act like you have some ' inside ' information but you don't .


 please site every single one of your sources for this information .

[gh15]

you are lucky i dont charge $ for my advice on this board there are places i charge a lot of $ for every sentence that comes out of my mouth

[NarcissisticDeity]

you are lucky i dont charge $ for my advice on this board there are places i charge a lot of $ for every sentence that comes out of my mouth

You'd be hardpressed to find anyone willing to pay for your bullshit ! no give me your sources for all the information you're claiming.

[sarcasm]

steeve reeves did experiment with testosteone and other products during the 40s and 50s. he DID NOT finish his career natural. he INDEED was natural at the beggining simply because the level of testosteone plasma he achieved hurt him more than helped him during the early 40s. he simply experiemtned once in a while whenever he got some in his hands.


You're full of shit ! period no two ways about it. you're making a claim he experimented with testosterone and you have NOT one single shred of evidence . you act like you have some ' inside ' information but you don't .


 please site every single one of your sources for this information .

he doesn't have any evidence, him and GH are just angry that they wouldn't look half as big as Reeves, Grimek, Ross, Dellinger and those guys if they had to train natural.

[gh15]

give me the sources of information who prove steve reeves was natural,,,you claim he was 100% natural at all times right? prove it

im not playing with you here,,i said he was natural in today's standards and thats that

[NarcissisticDeity]

give me the sources of information who prove steve reeves was natural,,,you claim he was 100% natural at all times right? prove it

im not playing with you here,,i said he was natural in today's standards and thats that

Nice backpeddle no no sport it was you who claimed he wasn't , it was you who claimed he experimented with test. you prove to me your claims. you're being called out. time to put up or shut up. 

[gh15]

if im not mistaken reeves died at age 73? unnatural death right?  thats not the healthiest thing ive seen in the around the block my friend

i said he was natural in comparisson to today's bodybuilding standards and thats that. this is MY OPINION. experiemting doesnt make you a constant user.

[Disgusted]

you are lucky i dont charge $ for my advice on this board there are places i charge a lot of $ for every sentence that comes out of my mouth

I like some of your posts bro, but I wouldn't go that far. There are a few knowledgable guys on this board and remember this is not the steroid section.  There are many more boards out there that have some pretty smart guys on them. Your a big fish in a small pond on here. No offense.

[alexxx]

Heh, yeah. You guys can go back to listening to True Adonis and Alexxx's advice on roid use...I think I'll stick with advice from GH15 -- so far his track record has been impeccable.

Well then I guess you will always stay VinceG's retarded little child.