lesson to remember (especially for beginners)

[NarcissisticDeity]

if im not mistaken reeves died at age 73? unnatural death right?  thats not the healthiest thing ive seen in the around the block my friend

i said he was natural in comparisson to today's bodybuilding standards and thats that. this is MY OPINION. experiemting doesnt make you a constant user.

No along with your test claims you're mistaken . and is lymphoma unnatural? the average death age of an American male is 73.2 years so thats about average.

No you claimed he experimented with test , you have to back up your claim.

[Disgusted]

Heh, yeah. You guys can go back to listening to True Adonis and Alexxx's advice on roid use...I think I'll stick with advice from GH15 -- so far his track record has been impeccable.

He does give good advice. My point is that there are a lot of other boards out there where the things he is sayings is pretty common.

[Disgusted]

True, I just like hearing it from someone I trust more than inet goofballs (TA/Alexxx/etc...)...I know GH15 is anon and all, but his/her track record is a whole lot better than anyone else I've read. Maybe w/ the exception of Div, but he's been awol lately.

I totally agree. I do enjoy his posts. I am om two other boards that are geared (no pun intended  ) towards indepth anabolics and contest prep with some veterans of the sport (sorry) so that was my point. Hell, I love a good debate about this kind of stuff. Just never had the chance to do it on here since most of the guys here are never serious enough.

[dorkeroo]

Steve died at 74 of lymphoma.  The strange thing is, Steve was the picture of health, while a friend of my dad's recently turned 75 and has been an alcoholic for about the past 60 years.  He smoked like a chimney until age 65 and never watched his diet.  He has been diabetic for some time.  How?? 

A lot of what determines your "ending age" as it is is genetics. Now, although living a "healthy" lifestyle is generally beneficial, every now and then people with horrendous health practices live longer than people who watch their health very closely. This is not the norm however, and I think that is the most important thing to bear in mind. George Burns is another great example of freaky genetics for age. Most people that live like that don't make it that far though.

[gh15]

not to forget! insulin was on the scene since 1920 and lilly our "love" started producing it in early 20s all around the good ole usa if im not mistaken

steve reeves loved horses correct? he been arond them all his life correct? there was no knowledge or understanding coming out of  everyday society during the 30s and 40s,,people didnt care about hormones,,they cared about WW2 and the goal of winning the war against nazi germany. those days were very good for experiementing with anything you could get your hands on.

i still claim that steve reeves was indeed natural,, because there was zero understanding of the products,,the products were used in primative ways,,the products were used in too little of a dose,,the products were not used long enough for major gains enhancment.

"you must remember that a bodybuilder LOVES his/her body. a bodybuilder will do whatever it takes to enhance it and the serious bodybuilder will also train hard enough for those hormones to work to their full potential." gh15 august 10, 2006

[dorkeroo]

not to forget! insulin was on the scene since 1920 and lilly our "love" started producing it in early 20s all around the good ole usa if im not mistaken

steve reeves loved horses correct? he been arond them all his life correct? there was no knowledge or understanding coming out of  everyday society during the 30s and 40s,,people didnt care about hormones,,they cared about WW2 and the goal of winning the war against nazi germany. those days were very good for experiementing with anything you could get your hands on.

i still claim that steve reeves was indeed natural,, because there was zero understanding of the products,,the products were used in primative ways,,the products were used in too little of a dose,,the products were not used long enough for major gains enhancment.

"you must remember that a bodybuilder LOVES his/her body. a bodybuilder will do whatever it takes to enhance it and the serious bodybuilder will also train hard enough for those hormones to work to their full potential." gh15 august 10, 2006

To be fair, not every bodybuilder that LOVES his/her body will do anything to improve it. Some of us are not willing to take those steps, so we get left behind.

[The True Adonis]

not to forget! insulin was on the scene since 1920 and lilly our "love" started producing it in early 20s all around the good ole usa if im not mistaken

steve reeves loved horses correct? he been arond them all his life correct? there was no knowledge or understanding coming out of  everyday society during the 30s and 40s,,people didnt care about hormones,,they cared about WW2 and the goal of winning the war against nazi germany. those days were very good for experiementing with anything you could get your hands on.

i still claim that steve reeves was indeed natural,, because there was zero understanding of the products,,the products were used in primative ways,,the products were used in too little of a dose,,the products were not used long enough for major gains enhancment.

"you must remember that a bodybuilder LOVES his/her body. a bodybuilder will do whatever it takes to enhance it and the serious bodybuilder will also train hard enough for those hormones to work to their full potential." gh15 august 10, 2006

You are delusional.

[NarcissisticDeity]

not to forget! insulin was on the scene since 1920 and lilly our "love" started producing it in early 20s all around the good ole usa if im not mistaken

steve reeves loved horses correct? he been arond them all his life correct? there was no knowledge or understanding coming out of  everyday society during the 30s and 40s,,people didnt care about hormones,,they cared about WW2 and the goal of winning the war against nazi germany. those days were very good for experiementing with anything you could get your hands on.

i still claim that steve reeves was indeed natural,, because there was zero understanding of the products,,the products were used in primative ways,,the products were used in too little of a dose,,the products were not used long enough for major gains enhancment.

"you must remember that a bodybuilder LOVES his/her body. a bodybuilder will do whatever it takes to enhance it and the serious bodybuilder will also train hard enough for those hormones to work to their full potential." gh15 august 10, 2006

Are you claiming Steve Reeves experimented with insulin as well? again site your sources of proof.  how do you knowpersonally he experimented with test? please site your sources , you're not addressing the question.

i still claim that steve reeves was indeed natural,, because there was zero understanding of the products,,the products were used in primative ways,,the products were used in too little of a dose,,the products were not used long enough for major gains enhancment.

Again more nonsene , one you're NOT claiming he was ' natural ' you're claiming he was injecting testosterone. again you're acting like you personally know how he supposedly took them ( primative ways ) what doses he supposedly took and the duration he was on them for. how do you have all this personal information? you don't you're full of shit.

"you must remember that a bodybuilder LOVES his/her body. a bodybuilder will do whatever it takes to enhance it and the serious bodybuilder will also train hard enough for those hormones to work to their full potential." gh15 august 10, 2006

Wow sage advice from a wanna-be guru  you think everyone has your mentality. there was a time in bodybuilding when drugs were not part of the equasion when it was as a healthy activity , this was Steve Reeves time.

[gh15]

kid, you are blubbing. i said reeves was natural in comparisson to today's standards. i also never said he injected testosterone,,,what i said was that he experiemented with testosterone (most likley in tablet form that couldnt even produce high enough and long enough levels of test in blood because that is how it first came out).

i am sure that later in his movie career he experiemnted with injactable solution too. nothing major he belong to the era of little = more,, thus the natural i approved him to be.

i gave you facts from the 20s 30s 40s,,you can accept it how ever you like,,,or not accept it. you didnt talk to him or was alive then and neither did i so there are no actual camera to document this. you claim natural i claim natural too with some experimenting. thats that

i said already couple of times that this is MY OPINION and the chances of me mistaken are close to zero if not zero itself my friend;)

[UK Gold]

If i was around in the forties and someone told me i could take some pills and my muscles would get bigger i would have wolfed them down. It is inconceivable that Reeves didn't do the same. His body was his passion, and there were tools to help him.
I really don't understand why some people are so obsesed with Reeves being natrual. Get a life.

[NarcissisticDeity]

kid, you are blubbing. i said reeves was natural in comparisson to today's standards. i also never said he injected testosterone,,,what i said was that he experiemented with testosterone (most likley in tablet form that couldnt even produce high enough and long enough levels of test in blood because that is how it first came out).

i am sure that later in his movie career he experiemnted with injactable solution too. nothing major he belong to the era of little = more,, thus the natural i approved him to be.

i gave you facts from the 20s 30s 40s,,you can accept it how ever you like,,,or not accept it. you didnt talk to him or was alive then and neither did i so there are no actual camera to document this. you claim natural i claim natural too with some experimenting. thats that

i said already couple of times that this is MY OPINION and the chances of me mistaken are close to zero if not zero itself my friend;)

Kid? hardly  these are your statements

steve reeves could be called natural because he did not have consistancy in his drug use. it was nothing to write home about.



said reeves WAS natural. he experiemnted with testosterone and pre testosterone products (tablets) exactly like the nazi army experiemnted with them in the 30s and 40s. he didnt have enough product and he couldnt make any significant gains with them beside retaining some of the muscle while dieting hard. it was NOT to significant levels and was not a major factor.


steve reeves was the closest thhing to natural that you will ever see as a bodybuilder. steve reeves was indeed a natural.



never the less steve reeves was indeed THE CLOSEST THING YOU WILL FIND TO NATURAL. he only experiemnted and nothing else and this is MY OPINION you can disagree.

steeve reeves did experiment with testosteone and other products during the 40s and 50s. he DID NOT finish his career natural. he INDEED was natural at the beggining simply because the level of testosteone plasma he achieved hurt him more than helped him during the early 40s. he simply experiemtned once in a while whenever he got some in his hands.


I don't care if you keep insisting he could be considered natural thats NOT the point. the point is your are saying he experimented with steroids . what is your proof of this? what are your sources? you have none period. you have vauge refferences and tried to connect the dots and you've failed. you've speculated on the types and duration of his alleged use , this implys you have firsthand personal information not available to anyone else and you don't.

again provide me with the proof you have that Steve Reeves experimented with anabolics.

[Rhino]

Everyone has their own reasons for training. I love it! It's never a waste of time for me. Anyway, I'd rather this than being a bar fly or video game nerd. 

[The True Adonis]

ND: Where is your proof that Steve was natural?

You would know if you weren`t banned from IronAge.

There are a lot of people who have interracted and trained with Reeves on that site.  Even people that he competed against.

[The True Adonis]

[The True Adonis]

Don't be a prick.  And tons of people lie about juicing and tell no one at all.

There wasn`t anything to lie about in the 40s and early 50s.

[NarcissisticDeity]

ND: Where is your proof that Steve was natural?

Here is my proof 

Building THE CLASSIC PHYSIQUE The Natural Way by Steve Reeves

page 170. 

The Subject of Steroids

Question: What are your thoughts on the steroid issue in bodybuilding?

Steve Reeves: I think the introduction of steroids was the worst thing to ever happen to bodybuilding. To me, the bodybuilders of today are clones. They all look like they're out of the same mold. Sure come of them have blonde hair,others dark hair, some have fair skin others dark skin and somre are shorter and some are taleer,but all of them look like they were stamped out of the same mold. And that's the sort of bloated-tissue look caused by steroids. In my day, from 100 yards away, you could tell if a person was Steve Reeves or John Grimek , Clancy Ross or Reg Park. people were individuals at that time. Now they workout with the same routine, with the same steroids , as a result , they've come to look too much like one another.

They waste thier lives training all the time. There's more to life than trianing. And when thy're off  the drugs, they don't look that great. Contrast that with John Grimek - I saw John about six months ago - at age 85 - and he's still looking good ! in my day , bodybuilding was a health oriented activity - instead of the drug-orientedsport it has become. Steroids surfaced in bodybuilding , I think because people wanted to take the " easy way " to get to the top.


More on Steroids

Question:The other day I was at the local library I was looking at a book entitled ," Arnold An Unauthorized Biography " by an author named Wendy Leigh . on page 27 it stated that Kurt Marnul told Arnold ( Schwarzenegger ) about steriods . Marnul said that he had learned about steriods and their dosages from Steve Reeves , whom he claims to have met in France during a 1952 Vacation . is this true?

Steve Reeves : That statement has also been brought to my attention by a friend who surfs the Internet. No its not true. I never heard of steriods until the mid 1960s and I was never in France during the 1950s! My first trip to France was in 1948 when I entered  and won the " Mr World " contest in Cannes.  My second trip to France was not until 1960 when I attended the premiere of my movie , The Last Days Of Pompeii. "


 


There is my proof ! Steve himself flat out comdeming steroids in bodybuilding and denying he ever used them. now I know what you're thinking why take his word? one if you ever read anything about Reeves you know he was a man of integrity and a man of his word. and what motivation would there be for him to lie? steroids when they first came on the scene wern't illegal and most of the past champions all have admited to using them , Arnold , Zane , Oliva , even Bill Pearl !!

To give you an idea of what type of person Steve Reeves is there was an awards ceremony for the Reeves and Arnold was there and Arnold told Steve that he was his idol when he was a boy first starting out and he always wanted to be just like him , Arnold was laying it on thick and Steve said " Arnold don't give me that bullshit , I read your book and you said Reg Park was your hero. " Arnold replied " thats because I could never be like you . "  he was a no nonsense type of guy.

Couple that with the fact that Dianabol wasn't even produced until 1956 , six years after he retired. and one of the first weightlifter/bodybuilders to starting using them under their creator ( Dr John Zeigler ) was in 1959 was Bill March . steroids didn't make their way out to the west coast scene until the earliest 1960 , and it very easy to see that he never used period.

Steve had among the best genetics ever. is it really had to believe a man of 6'1" could weigh 215lbs naturally? lol I could see if in 1947 he was 6'1" and 250lbs but get serious. its one thing to question if he took steroids but to say he did and spectulate on the types and duration is just bullshit period.

[The True Adonis]

Here is my proof 

Building THE CLASSIC PHYSIQUE The Natural Way by Steve Reeves

page 170. 

The Subject of Steroids

Question: What are your thoughts on the steroid issue in bodybuilding?

Steve Reeves: I think the introduction of steroids was the worst thing to ever happen to bodybuilding. To me, the bodybuilders of today are clones. They all look like they're out of the same mold. Sure come of them have blonde hair,others dark hair, some have fair skin others dark skin and somre are shorter and some are taleer,but all of them look like they were stamped out of the same mold. And that's the sort of bloated-tissue look caused by steroids. In my day, from 100 yards away, you could tell if a person was Steve Reeves or John Grimek , Clancy Ross or Reg Park. people were individuals at that time. Now they workout with the same routine, with the same steroids , as a result , they've come to look too much like one another.

They waste thier lives training all the time. There's more to life than trianing. And when thy're off  the drugs, they don't look that great. Contrast that with John Grimek - I saw John about six months ago - at age 85 - and he's still looking good ! in my day , bodybuilding was a health oriented activity - instead of the drug-orientedsport it has become. Steroids surfaced in bodybuilding , I think because people wanted to take the " easy way " to get to the top.


More on Steroids

Question:The other day I was at the local library I was looking at a book entitled ," Arnold An Unauthorized Biography " by an author named Wendy Leigh . on page 27 it stated that Kurt Marnul told Arnold ( Schwarzenegger ) about steriods . Marnul said that he had learned about steriods and their dosages from Steve Reeves , whom he claims to have met in France during a 1952 Vacation . is this true?

Steve Reeves : That statement has also been brought to my attention by a friend who surfs the Internet. No its not true. I never heard of steriods until the mid 1960s and I was never in France during the 1950s! My first trip to France was in 1948 when I entered  and won the " Mr World " contest in Cannes.  My second trip to France was not until 1960 when I attended the premiere of my movie , The Last Days Of Pompeii. "


 


There is my proof ! Steve himself flat out comdeming steroids in bodybuilding and denying he ever used them. now I know what you're thinking why take his word? one if you ever read anything about Reeves you know he was a man of integrity and a man of his word. and what motivation would there be for him to lie? steroids when they first came on the scene wern't illegal and most of the past champions all have admited to using them , Arnold , Zane , Oliva , even Bill Pearl !!

To give you an idea of what type of person Steve Reeves is there was an awards ceremony for the Reeves and Arnold was there and Arnold told Steve that he was his idol when he was a boy first starting out and he always wanted to be just like him , Arnold was laying it on thick and Steve said " Arnold don't give me that bullshit , I read your book and you said Reg Park was your hero. " Arnold replied " thats because I could never be like you . "  he was a no nonsense type of guy.

Couple that with the fact that Dianabol wasn't even produced until 1956 , six years after he retired. and one of the first weightlifter/bodybuilders to starting using them under their creator ( Dr John Zeigler ) was in 1959 was Bill March . steroids didn't make their way out to the west coast scene until the earliest 1960 , and it very easy to see that he never used period.

Steve had among the best genetics ever. is it really had to believe a man of 6'1" could weigh 215lbs naturally? lol I could see if in 1947 he was 6'1" and 250lbs but get serious. its one thing to question if he took steroids but to say he did and spectulate on the types and duration is just bullshit period.

I second all of this!

[dorkeroo]

I second all of this!

Bodybuilders never lie too, this is good enough for me too  . Seriously, I don't care either way, but, even Nubret flip flops on the whether he used or not issue. It doesn't matter regardless. You either like the physique or you don't. Whether they juice or not, nobody knows but them.

[UK Gold]

Here is my proof 

Building THE CLASSIC PHYSIQUE The Natural Way by Steve Reeves

page 170. 

The Subject of Steroids

Question: What are your thoughts on the steroid issue in bodybuilding?

Steve Reeves: I think the introduction of steroids was the worst thing to ever happen to bodybuilding. To me, the bodybuilders of today are clones. They all look like they're out of the same mold. Sure come of them have blonde hair,others dark hair, some have fair skin others dark skin and somre are shorter and some are taleer,but all of them look like they were stamped out of the same mold. And that's the sort of bloated-tissue look caused by steroids. In my day, from 100 yards away, you could tell if a person was Steve Reeves or John Grimek , Clancy Ross or Reg Park. people were individuals at that time. Now they workout with the same routine, with the same steroids , as a result , they've come to look too much like one another.

They waste thier lives training all the time. There's more to life than trianing. And when thy're off  the drugs, they don't look that great. Contrast that with John Grimek - I saw John about six months ago - at age 85 - and he's still looking good ! in my day , bodybuilding was a health oriented activity - instead of the drug-orientedsport it has become. Steroids surfaced in bodybuilding , I think because people wanted to take the " easy way " to get to the top.


More on Steroids

Question:The other day I was at the local library I was looking at a book entitled ," Arnold An Unauthorized Biography " by an author named Wendy Leigh . on page 27 it stated that Kurt Marnul told Arnold ( Schwarzenegger ) about steriods . Marnul said that he had learned about steriods and their dosages from Steve Reeves , whom he claims to have met in France during a 1952 Vacation . is this true?

Steve Reeves : That statement has also been brought to my attention by a friend who surfs the Internet. No its not true. I never heard of steriods until the mid 1960s and I was never in France during the 1950s! My first trip to France was in 1948 when I entered  and won the " Mr World " contest in Cannes.  My second trip to France was not until 1960 when I attended the premiere of my movie , The Last Days Of Pompeii. "


 


There is my proof ! Steve himself flat out comdeming steroids in bodybuilding and denying he ever used them. now I know what you're thinking why take his word? one if you ever read anything about Reeves you know he was a man of integrity and a man of his word. and what motivation would there be for him to lie? steroids when they first came on the scene wern't illegal and most of the past champions all have admited to using them , Arnold , Zane , Oliva , even Bill Pearl !!

To give you an idea of what type of person Steve Reeves is there was an awards ceremony for the Reeves and Arnold was there and Arnold told Steve that he was his idol when he was a boy first starting out and he always wanted to be just like him , Arnold was laying it on thick and Steve said " Arnold don't give me that bullshit , I read your book and you said Reg Park was your hero. " Arnold replied " thats because I could never be like you . "  he was a no nonsense type of guy.

Couple that with the fact that Dianabol wasn't even produced until 1956 , six years after he retired. and one of the first weightlifter/bodybuilders to starting using them under their creator ( Dr John Zeigler ) was in 1959 was Bill March . steroids didn't make their way out to the west coast scene until the earliest 1960 , and it very easy to see that he never used period.

Steve had among the best genetics ever. is it really had to believe a man of 6'1" could weigh 215lbs naturally? lol I could see if in 1947 he was 6'1" and 250lbs but get serious. its one thing to question if he took steroids but to say he did and spectulate on the types and duration is just bullshit period.

What a load of shit. Just because he says he didn't use steroids doesn't mean hes telling the truth. Come on ND. ALL bodybuilders lie about their gear usage, whether its Lee and his "bit of deca in the offseason", or Arnold with his "three dbol a day". I made a thread about it before - that got deleted - detailing Nubrets love of the gear. The fucker even sold it. Yet he was all natrual. Who says so? HE DOES! I don't give a shit if Reeves used gear or not, but you can't catagorically state that he never used gear - just as gh15 can't catagorically state that he did.

[NarcissisticDeity]

What a load of shit. Just because he says he didn't use steroids doesn't mean hes telling the truth. Come on ND. ALL bodybuilders lie about their gear usage, whether its Lee and his "bit of deca in the offseason", or Arnold with his "three dbol a day". I made a thread about it before - that got deleted - detailing Nubrets love of the gear. The fucker even sold it. Yet he was all natrual. Who says so? HE DOES! I don't give a shit if Reeves used gear or not, but you can't catagorically state that he never used gear - just as gh15 can't catagorically state that he did.

No not all bodybuilders lie about their use. maybe now and days they have to , but back then then were legal without a prescription . and lets entertain he did use, what purpose would it serve to lie? none.

And I can say catagorically he didn't use anabolic steroids , especially considering they wern't invented or available in the United States until at the very least six years after his retirement from competitive bodybuilding.

use some logic he was just 215lbs are you telling me a natural bodybuilder at 6'1" can't weigh an un-ripped 215lbs??? especially one with among the greatest genetics ever?

[gh15]

No not all bodybuilders lie about their use. maybe now and days they have to , but back then then were legal without a prescription . and lets entertain he did use, what purpose would it serve to lie? none.

And I can say catagorically he didn't use anabolic steroids , especially considering they wern't invented or available in the United States until at the very least six years after his retirement from competitive bodybuilding.

use some logic he was just 215lbs are you telling me a natural bodybuilder at 6'1" can't weigh an un-ripped 215lbs??? especially one with among the greatest genetics ever?

kid,,you living in a dream. not only that you didnt prove your argument but now you making yourself look like a joke. anabolic steroids were available in the usa for ATHLETES since 1940. stevve reeves as i said before ONLY experiemnted with steroid use,,only later in his movie career he was more of so called juicer. so yes he was natural in his competetive career (put aside some experiemnting with rough versions of hormones).

it is exteremly hard to be 6 feet 215 with 5-6% natural. as i said many times before original genetics got nothing to do with size and conditioning achieved through training and "supp". few of the best ever bodybuilders had average minus genetics to begin with (mr. yates had/have horrible genetics)

next time you try to demonstrate your points i suggest looking for other sources than the bodybuilder him/her self. look twards the medical books,,,it might give you more backup.

[The True Adonis]

kid,,you living in a dream. not only that you didnt prove your argument but now you making yourself look like a joke. anabolic steroids were available in the usa for ATHLETES since 1940. stevve reeves as i said before ONLY experiemnted with steroid use,,only later in his movie career he was more of so called juicer. so yes he was natural in his competetive career (put aside some experiemnting with rough versions of hormones).

it is exteremly hard to be 6 feet 215 with 5-6% natural. as i said many times before original genetics got nothing to do with size and conditioning achieved through training and "supp". few of the best ever bodybuilders had average minus genetics to begin with (mr. yates had/have horrible genetics)

next time you try to demonstrate your points i suggest looking for other sources than the bodybuilder him/her self. look twards the medical books,,,it might give you more backup.

While he was in great shape in the movies he was in better shape and conditioning in his competitve career.
Your argument sucks and is all a lie. 

[dzulboy]

A spelling error worthy of Dzulboy. 

puy   i mean  yup

[gh15]

While he was in great shape in the movies he was in better shape and conditioning in his competitve career.
Your argument sucks and is all a lie. 

talk me after you know your hormones better

[danielson]

While he was in great shape in the movies he was in better shape and conditioning in his competitve career.
Your argument sucks and is all a lie. 

hows the training going TA? You looked pretty shredded in those last pics. You are not going to peak too early, are you?