lesson to remember (especially for beginners)

[The True Adonis]

I'm not lucky you're responding . you made a claim thats dubious and I'm calling you out on it , your credibility is on the line NOT mine. you don't lie   you're just very good at running from the truth. answer me this.

Where did you read/hear that Steve Reeves experimented with steroids?
Where did you read/hear the duration and types of steroids he experimented with?
Where did you read/hear how he attained them ?

I would like to know as well because I have NEVER heard once of these claims.  EVER.

Not even from the people he competed with,training partners or any other bodybuilder alive or dead.

[gh15]

Again don't speculate , provide facts. I have Steve Reeves' books " Building THE CLASSIC PHYSIQUE The Natural Way " And " Chris LeClaire’s Worlds To Conquer " I also have numerous issues of Your Physique , Ironman , Health & Strenght , Muscular Development and Muscle & Fitness , Flex  with articles by and about Steve Reeves .

  its all good you and your magazines. my facts are in my physiqe and on my physiqe. 90% of the bodybuilding indutry is built on my word and business,,what are you talking about kid?,, i been in this game for so long i forgot how it is to live like a normal person.

ALL of what i write is coming out of MY experience as IFBB PROFESSIONAL BODYBUILDER. ALL of what i write is out of years doing bodybuilding and power lifting well before i competed on both a natural local  level and hormonized level and then entering the hormone world business wise.

every single word i write here is flowing like music,,you know why? because its my OCCUPATION. i do it 24/7,, i live it and know how to transform body from 160lb average dude to 230 monster in less than 24 months.

i get payed to do it,,,i have people begging for me to give them a single hour of my advice for $500. im not only "SELLING STEROIDS",,i have a deep knowledge of the subject with years upon years of experience on my physiqe and on others physiqe. when you wake up in the morning you go to work right? when i wake up in the morning i go to work too,,,only diff is my work is bodybuilding and everything  around it,,and i can assure you that hormones is  HUGE part of it now and even back in the 40s it took a lot of the bodybuilder time due to experimenting with all sort of rough material and compounds.

trust me i got no reason to lie to you,,i said it once and ill say it once again. I WILL NEVER SELL HORMONES TO GETBIGGERS AND MY IDENTITY WILL NEVER COME OUT because the moment it will i am out of here.

so enjoy it while you have it and learn to respect it

[NarcissisticDeity]

its all good you and your magazines. my facts are in my physiqe and on my physiqe. 90% of the bodybuilding indutry is built on my word and business,,what are you talking about kid?,, i been in this game for so long i forgot how it is to live like a normal person.

ALL of what i write is coming out of MY experience as IFBB PROFESSIONAL BODYBUILDER. ALL of what i write is out of years doing bodybuilding and power lifting well before i competed on both a natural local  level and hormonized level and then entering the hormone world business wise.

every single word i write here is flowing like music,,you know why? because its my OCCUPATION. i do it 24/7,, i live it and know how to transform body from 160lb average dude to 230 monster in less than 24 months.

i get payed to do it,,,i have people begging for me to give them a single hour of my advice for $500. im not only "SELLING STEROIDS",,i have a deep knowledge of the subject with years upon years of experience on my physiqe and on others physiqe. when you wake up in the morning you go to work right? when i wake up in the morning i go to work too,,,only diff is my work is bodybuilding and everything  around it,,and i can assure you that hormones is  HUGE part of it now and even back in the 40s it took a lot of the bodybuilder time due to experimenting with all sort of rough material and compounds.

trust me i got no reason to lie to you,,i said it once and ill say it once again. I WILL NEVER SELL HORMONES TO GETBIGGERS AND MY IDENTITY WILL NEVER COME OUT because the moment it will i am out of here.

so enjoy it while you have it and learn to respect it

Now you're philerbustering. none of the garbage you just posted has anything to do with what I asked you to prove. how do you know for a fact that Steve Reeves experimented with steroids. answer the question.

[gh15]

is this kid wacked?

if you open your big american eyes and read english slightly better you would SEE that i said it WAS MY OPINION! ! !

i been in this business and sport for long enough to know within 60 seconds after looking at someone what this someone is on. i can probably back it up if chosed to but there is not 100% back up when it comes to early 40 and the 40s in general when it comes to hormones because they were not deep into the sport,,they were new thus experiemnting was the chosen route.

[NarcissisticDeity]

is this kid wacked?

if you open your big american eyes and read english slightly better you would SEE that i said it WAS MY OPINION! ! !

i been in this business and sport for long enough to know within 60 seconds after looking at someone what this someone is on. i can probably back it up if chosed to but there is not 100% back up when it comes to early 40 and the 40s in general when it comes to hormones because they were not deep into the sport,,they were new thus experiemnting was the chosen route.

LMFAO at the self-styled guru who can spot a juicer within 60s seconds. and NO you never prefaced your statements with " this is my opinion " stop back-peddling and changing your story. you're statement decalred steve reeves could be called natural because he did not have consistancy in his drug use. it was nothing to write home about. thats NOT an opinion , thats a matter-of-fact statement. and I called you out on just how you know for a fact that he experimented with steroids and when pressed you back-peddled and said " its my opinion " back up your claims with something more concrete than a vauge reference to the Nazi's experimenting in the 1940s.

[dorkeroo]

LMFAO at the self-styled guru who can spot a juicer within 60s seconds. and NO you never prefaced your statements with " this is my opinion " stop back-peddling and changing your story. you're statement decalred steve reeves could be called natural because he did not have consistancy in his drug use. it was nothing to write home about. thats NOT an opinion , thats a matter-of-fact statement. and I called you out on just how you know for a fact that he experimented with steroids and when pressed you back-peddled and said " its my opinion " back up your claims with something more concrete than a vauge reference to the Nazi's experimenting in the 1940s.

Why are you getting so bent out of shape about Reeves?

[gh15]

first what is LMFAO?  second you gotta understand that anything i say here is as solid as the planet you live on. i like steve reeves but  again you making him look bad by posing bunch of crap out of magazines and books/brochures that im on their cover couple times a year,,i can tell you they are not accurate,,infact they are FAR from accurate,,if you only knew how much diff i look in the photo session and at the end product you would never buy a single magazine again . i said more than once before that it WAS MY OPINION on more than few posts. read back and wear your glassess this time.

now, you are trying to win the battle when you already lost the war. the 100% proof that reeves was experimenting with hormones is with him 6 feet under it CANT BE PROVED 100%.

here is an example of more recent natural bodybuilding:

 "Natural Muscle" model caught with steroids

A model was arrested on drug charges last week after he
allegedly received a package in the mail that contained
anabolic steroids.

Authorities served a search warrant last Thursday at the
Monterey home of Anthony Chobanian, 28, who won the
"Natural Muscle" model search for Natural Model magazine
in 2000.

The search allegedly turned up more than 4,000 pills of
suspected steroids.


you must remember my friend that BODYBUILDING IS HORMONES AND HORMONES IS BODYBUILDING. you aim at BUILDING your body to an IMPRESSIVE level. it CAN NOT and will not be achieved to an impressive level NATURALLY. period! never was never is and never will be.

[gh15]

i might add if i may,, that it is not only advanced level bodybuilders who hormonize themselves. as of today it is EVERY ONE,,from the 165 tipped guy in your local gym through the 190lb cut guy in the club,, to the 215lb big guy on your state championships to the 260lb pro.

we ALL are ADDCITED TO HORMONES. reeves was only the experiemental beggining. he gave us the courage to get to what we are now physiqe wize

[The True Adonis]

i might add if i may,, that it is not only advanced level bodybuilders who hormonize themselves. as of today it is EVERY ONE,,from the 165 tipped guy in your local gym through the 190lb cut guy in the club,, to the 215lb big guy on your state championships to the 260lb pro.

we ALL are ADDCITED TO HORMONES. reeves was only the experiemental beggining. he gave us the courage to get to what we are now physiqe wize

 

[sarcasm]

damn, doesn't anyone train natural anymore?

[dorkeroo]

damn, doesn't anyone train natural anymore?

Apparently not. I honestly thought I had gone my entire life exogenous-steroid free, but, I have been shown the light.

[efirkey]

No not all bodybuilders lie about their use. maybe now and days they have to , but back then then were legal without a prescription . and lets entertain he did use, what purpose would it serve to lie? none.

And I can say catagorically he didn't use anabolic steroids , especially considering they wern't invented or available in the United States until at the very least six years after his retirement from competitive bodybuilding.

use some logic he was just 215lbs are you telling me a natural bodybuilder at 6'1" can't weigh an un-ripped 215lbs??? especially one with among the greatest genetics ever?

I have to agree.  Why would Reeves use steroids after he retired from bodybuilding.  As Arnold found out, the movies don't want actors with too much size, so he wouldn't have used to be bigger for the films.  So whatever reason would he have for using?

[gh15]

I have to agree.  Why would Reeves use steroids after he retired from bodybuilding.  As Arnold found out, the movies don't want actors with too much size, so he wouldn't have used to be bigger for the films.  So whatever reason would he have for using?

so he can be more giganic as a movie star and play roles that size and muscle combo is a big part of them. the range  number 215-230 is very common for "naturals". not too big and not too small just good enough for the piggy bank,,ask lacour

contrary to the belief of many,, a 215lb bodybuilder is a very big boy. anything beyond that involve lots of lot of good quality. good quality hormones that is .

[dorkeroo]

Isn't it obvious? Steve is his secret lover. He also defended him in my mass monsters vs/ swimmers thread. Go Steevie!

LMFAO = Laugh My Fucken Ass Off

I think you might be onto something here. Some of the people here really take this place too seriously.

[UK Gold]

ND, gh can't prove he did, you can't prove he didn't. But you can't base your opinions on what HE SAID!!!!! OF COURSE HES GOING TO DENY IT!!!! But, interestingly, there was an interview with Sergio where he said that Reeves used steroids. So who do you believe?
There are thousands of straight talking, honourable, 'stand up' guys that say they've never done steroids - and they're lying. Who cares.

[dorkeroo]

ND, gh can't prove he did, you can't prove he didn't. But you can't base your opinions on what HE SAID!!!!! OF COURSE HES GOING TO DENY IT!!!! But, interestingly, there was an interview with Sergio where he said that Reeves used steroids. So who do you believe?
There are thousands of straight talking, honourable, 'stand up' guys that say they've never done steroids - and they're lying. Who cares.

You are right, it can't be proved either way and moreover, who cares? The way some of these guys revere Reeves, you would think he fathered their first born or something.

[LurkerNoMore]

this is the main proof to show you just HOW MUCH BIG OF A PART drugs are on the average bodybuilder and fitness entusiastic's  life in usa.

jason cutler would be stuck doing ymca shows if not for drugs.

dexjax would be stuck doing the jax district light weight if not for drugs

heath  would be just another black guy with good cuts at 160lb if not for drugs

mike mata would be just,,well would be doing what he does now  ,,if not for drugs

and ron coleman,,well ron coleman does have out of this world physiqe natural or not natural but even ron coleman would be stuck doing mr texas  show,,,or good ole south eastern or something,,, and would NOT win it!! if not for drugs.


there is no resembele between the murderer and a bodybuilder! and he doesnt do a thing all day,,,only sleep,,eat and work out some he should be big... he looks like the typical neigbor of yours that can play for fun in a softball team in the best case scenario

steve reeves could be called natural because he did not have consistancy in his drug use. it was nothing to write home about.

bill pearl was playing with tablets and was born at the right time when everyone were too busy to think about hormones.

arnold was born at the right place with the right genetic response to hormones with everything cheap and bunch of drug users around him in the gyms at times when no one cared about aas,,same for sergio by the way!

dorian took advantage of the law and used hormones in catastrophic doses and duration resulting in size and conditioning second only to ron.

ron didnt care because he was the fuckin LE


*can you even tell that the ugly wife ever EVER done any type of sport activity?? she got 20+% bf% and looks petite and fregile.

So basically, all these people sat down with you and/or called you on the phone and let you know exactly what they did or didn't do?

[NarcissisticDeity]

first what is LMFAO?  second you gotta understand that anything i say here is as solid as the planet you live on. i like steve reeves but  again you making him look bad by posing bunch of crap out of magazines and books/brochures that im on their cover couple times a year,,i can tell you they are not accurate,,infact they are FAR from accurate,,if you only knew how much diff i look in the photo session and at the end product you would never buy a single magazine again . i said more than once before that it WAS MY OPINION on more than few posts. read back and wear your glassess this time.

now, you are trying to win the battle when you already lost the war. the 100% proof that reeves was experimenting with hormones is with him 6 feet under it CANT BE PROVED 100%.

here is an example of more recent natural bodybuilding:

 "Natural Muscle" model caught with steroids

A model was arrested on drug charges last week after he
allegedly received a package in the mail that contained
anabolic steroids.

Authorities served a search warrant last Thursday at the
Monterey home of Anthony Chobanian, 28, who won the
"Natural Muscle" model search for Natural Model magazine
in 2000.

The search allegedly turned up more than 4,000 pills of
suspected steroids.


you must remember my friend that BODYBUILDING IS HORMONES AND HORMONES IS BODYBUILDING. you aim at BUILDING your body to an IMPRESSIVE level. it CAN NOT and will not be achieved to an impressive level NATURALLY. period! never was never is and never will be.

What you just posted has NOTHING to do with what you claimed. you claimed he experimented with steroids and when pressed on the comment you did everything to avoid answering the questions. then you claimed it was your OPINION , your first comments were NOT prefaced with the term opinion.

You eluded to what he experimented with , the duration and the fact that anabloics were in use back in the 1940s , I asked you to provide me to links & sources of your claimed information and you've just spouted the same nonsense.

Now please explain your opinion on how and why you feel he experimented with steroids , please lead me down the path of your deduction & reasoning .

[NarcissisticDeity]

I have to agree.  Why would Reeves use steroids after he retired from bodybuilding.  As Arnold found out, the movies don't want actors with too much size, so he wouldn't have used to be bigger for the films.  So whatever reason would he have for using?

Great point ! When in fact after Reeves retired from bodybuilding movie directors and producers all insited he drop-weight out of fear of litteraly dwarfing his co-stars. Reeves competed at 215lbs and he went down to a 187lbs for the movies .

[NarcissisticDeity]

ND, gh can't prove he did, you can't prove he didn't. But you can't base your opinions on what HE SAID!!!!! OF COURSE HES GOING TO DENY IT!!!! But, interestingly, there was an interview with Sergio where he said that Reeves used steroids. So who do you believe?
There are thousands of straight talking, honourable, 'stand up' guys that say they've never done steroids - and they're lying. Who cares.

I know he can't prove it but he didn't ! and I don't need to prove it . Carl Sagan the Pulitzer-prize winning astronomer once said " Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. "  and in this case he can't give anything that even resembles evidence .

Its this simple Steve Reeves flat out denied using steroids and your logic that he's going to deny it nonsense . why on earth would he deny it? scores of bodybuilders admitied their use. Arnold Schwarzenegger , Lou Ferrigno , Frank Zane , Franco Colombu , Dave Draper , Sergio Oliva , Bill Pearl , etc . he would have absolutely no reason to lie about any uses what so ever.

Many guys have to lie about thier use NOW because they are a controled substance in the United States , back in Arnold hey-day they wern't . and the Sergio Oliva interveiw you are talking about , he says Arnold denys his used and I personally showed you 4 references to the contrary , so Sergio is mistaken on that and we're to believe he knew Reeves took them? and in the same interveiw Sergio also ' claims ' Arnold was one of the very first people to bring steroids into the United States , that contradicts his claims Reeves was using them , how could Arnold be the first to bring them over if Reeves predates Arnold by 17 years? lets who to believe the guy himself or Sergios claim? get serious.

Anabloic steroids were NOT available for use until at the least 1956 thats six years after Steve Reeves retired . I can prove this , gh15 makes some vauge references of testosterone use from the Nazis what does that have to do with Reeves? I can post the same information .

Scientists in Nazi Germany first isolated testosterone in the 1930s by distilling 15,000 liters of urine collected from German police officers. They later synthesized it in the lab. In early animal tests, injections of testosterone restored vitality in castrated roosters.



They isolated testosterone by the 1930s in Nazi Germany , what does that have to do with use in the United States? and Steve Reeves? nothing .

Using the Nazi's research after the war ,  Russians were using testosterone on their athletes at the 1954 Olympics and they were cleaning house , this is how drug use in the United States got started the team Dr for the United States weightlifting team was Dr John Zeigler and the story goes he got one of the coaches for the Russian team drunk on vodka and he confessed they were using testosterone on their athletes .

Returning to the United States Ziegler who worked for Ciba Pharmaceuticals made Dianabol and started to test it on himself and soon after others , one of the first weightlifters/bodybuilders to start using anabolic steroids in the U.S. was Bill March in 1959 and the rest as they say is history.

now if he has proof that steroids and anabloics were in use before 1956 he should provide it because as of right now his ' opinion ' is worthless.

[UK Gold]

I know he can't prove it but he didn't ! and I don't need to prove it . Carl Sagan the Pulitzer-prize winning astronomer once said " Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. "  and in this case he can't give anything that even resembles evidence .

Its this simple Steve Reeves flat out denied using steroids and your logic that he's going to deny it nonsense . why on earth would he deny it? scores of bodybuilders admitied their use. Arnold Schwarzenegger , Lou Ferrigno , Frank Zane , Franco Colombu , Dave Draper , Sergio Oliva , Bill Pearl , etc . he would have absolutely no reason to lie about any uses what so ever.

Many guys have to lie about thier use NOW because they are a controled substance in the United States , back in Arnold hey-day they wern't . and the Sergio Oliva interveiw you are talking about , he says Arnold denys his used and I personally showed you 4 references to the contrary , so Sergio is mistaken on that and we're to believe he knew Reeves took them? and in the same interveiw Sergio also ' claims ' Arnold was one of the very first people to bring steroids into the United States , that contradicts his claims Reeves was using them , how could Arnold be the first to bring them over if Reeves predates Arnold by 17 years? lets who to believe the guy himself or Sergios claim? get serious.

Anabloic steroids were NOT available for use until at the least 1956 thats six years after Steve Reeves retired . I can prove this , gh15 makes some vauge references of testosterone use from the Nazis what does that have to do with Reeves? I can post the same information .

Scientists in Nazi Germany first isolated testosterone in the 1930s by distilling 15,000 liters of urine collected from German police officers. They later synthesized it in the lab. In early animal tests, injections of testosterone restored vitality in castrated roosters.



They isolated testosterone by the 1930s in Nazi Germany , what does that have to do with use in the United States? and Steve Reeves? nothing .

Using the Nazi's research after the war ,  Russians were using testosterone on their athletes at the 1954 Olympics and they were cleaning house , this is how drug use in the United States got started the team Dr for the United States weightlifting team was Dr John Zeigler and the story goes he got one of the coaches for the Russian team drunk on vodka and he confessed they were using testosterone on their athletes .

Returning to the United States Ziegler who worked for Ciba Pharmaceuticals made Dianabol and started to test it on himself and soon after others , one of the first weightlifters/bodybuilders to start using anabolic steroids in the U.S. was Bill March in 1959 and the rest as they say is history.

now if he has proof that steroids and anabloics were in use before 1956 he should provide it because as of right now his ' opinion ' is worthless.

Well researched meltdown.
I accept all you say, but there is still no definitive proof that he did or didn't use the gear. I don't know why you're getting so emotionally involved with it. Is it that important? All that matters is that he had a great physique that many people would be proud to have - whether using or not. 

[dorkeroo]

Well researched meltdown.
I accept all you say, but there is still no definitive proof that he did or didn't use the gear. I don't know why you're getting so emotionally involved with it. Is it that important? All that matters is that he had a great physique that many people would be proud to have - whether using or not. 

Well put.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Well researched meltdown.
I accept all you say, but there is still no definitive proof that he did or didn't use the gear. I don't know why you're getting so emotionally involved with it. Is it that important? All that matters is that he had a great physique that many people would be proud to have - whether using or not. 

I'm not emotionally involved . just making my point. I the fact that Ziegler didn't produce anabolic steroids until 1956 is definitive proof that he didn't use and couple that with the fact he denied any use and would have zero reason to lie about it.

To speculate if he used anything is natural ( no pun ) to act like you have personal information is another. when you make such claims you better put up or shut up.

[Palpatine Q]

I'm not emotionally involved . just making my point. I the fact that Ziegler didn't produce anabolic steroids until 1956 is definitive proof that he didn't use and couple that with the fact he denied any use and would have zero reason to lie about it.

To speculate if he used anything is natural ( no pun ) to act like you have personal information is another. when you make such claims you better put up or shut up.

STFU already ND, you don't know that he didn't anymore than GH15 knows he did.What's YOUR proof, because he said so? Wow a bodybuilder lying about his drug use, what a fvcking concept. Steeve Reeves was overrated and mytholigized to the extreme. He had a nice build but he was far from "perfect". You are taking drivel written in BBing rags from the 50's as fact. They sensationalized things back then just as much as they do now.50 year old bullshit is still bullshit.

[danielson]

STFU already ND, you don't know that he didn't anymore than GH15 knows he did.What's YOUR proof, because he said so? Wow a bodybuilder lying about his drug use, what a fvcking concept. Steeve Reeves was overrated and mytholigized to the extreme. He had a nice build but he was far from "perfect". You are taking drivel written in BBing rags from the 50's as fact. They sensationalized things back then just as much as they do now.50 year old bullshit is still bullshit.

hey Groink way OT, but how long was your wait at the airport?