Author Topic: Learning Thread ISLAM (Read 30883 times)

Nordic Superman · « **Reply #50 on:** August 17, 2006, 09:16:39 AM »

Quote from: haider on August 17, 2006, 09:14:55 AM

fucking ad hominem. Every one of those things apply completely to yourself u deluded fool. It is imposible to have a rational discusssion with your kind.

This tennis match of insults is getting boring now.

haider · « **Reply #51 on:** August 17, 2006, 09:18:59 AM »

Am i beating u at your own game, you asshole?

Never argue with an idiot [manni], for he will make u look like one in the process.

Never argue with an asshole [manni], for he will bring u down to his own level and beat you with experience.

Nordic Superman · « **Reply #52 on:** August 17, 2006, 09:24:59 AM »

Quote from: haider on August 17, 2006, 09:18:59 AM

Am i beating u at your own game, you asshole?

Never argue with an idiot [manni], for he will make u look like one in the process.

Never argue with an asshole [manni], for he will bring u down to his own level and beat you with experience.

Very poor come back.

This is going nowhere because you're unable to attain evidence that defeats mine.

haider · « **Reply #53 on:** August 17, 2006, 01:00:34 PM »

Quote from: Nordic Superman on August 17, 2006, 09:24:59 AM

Very poor come back.

This is going nowhere because you're unable to attain evidence that defeats mine.

I'm back bitches. This is too much fun to let go of. Poor come back? Those are jsut sayings that I put into my own words, as they apply to this situation. The only missing link here is your objectivity, and an open mind.

Tyrone Power · « **Reply #54 on:** August 17, 2006, 01:13:40 PM »

Quote from: haider on August 16, 2006, 03:19:28 PM

Nope. That is a fact. Manni has absolutely no clue abt Islam. Googling a few pages of anti islamic websites does NOT count for anything except that it shows his BIAS...which was my second point.
As mentioned above, this is not adhominem, it is a fact. Manni wants all muslims killed. The point here is that there is a LACK of objectivity, and the only thing fueling his arguments his is fear and bias towards muslims.

Just because it's a fact doesn't mean it isn't an Ad Hominem fallacy.

haider · « **Reply #55 on:** August 17, 2006, 01:21:13 PM »

Quote from: Tyrone Power on August 17, 2006, 01:13:40 PM

Just because it's a fact doesn't mean it isn't an Ad Hominem fallacy.

It is not.

Tyrone Power · « **Reply #56 on:** August 17, 2006, 01:54:21 PM »

Quote from: haider on August 17, 2006, 01:21:13 PM

It is not.

Example of Ad Hominem...

Quote

Clintons policy on poverty is absurd because he cheated on his wife!

This is a perfect example of an Ad hominem. The person is attacking clinton himself and his personal actions opposed to attacking his argument or policy. Yes Clinton cheated on his wife, This is true. However it's still an Ad Hominem.

In Latin argumentum ad hominem literally means "Argument against the person". True or false it's an Ad hominem.

You stated...

Quote from: haider on August 16, 2006, 09:47:45 AM

#1: you have no background in Islamic knowledge.

This is an ad hominem even if it's true. His background has absolutely nothing to do with the argument at hand. If he is wrong then prove he is wrong without attacking his person or his creds.

Quote from: haider on August 16, 2006, 09:47:45 AM

#2: you have a strong bias against muslims

This is another ad hominem because you're attacking the person and not the argument. Obviously he has a bias against muslims. This doesn't make him wrong.

I have a bias against pedophiles. Does it mean all arguments I make against them are wrong? No.

haider · « **Reply #57 on:** August 17, 2006, 02:00:27 PM »

You are quoting me out of context. Rather, it is a case of misunderstanding. I never even started to pick out his arguments on this thread that he intially copy pasted from some googled up websites.

I simply refused to argue with him abt it as I thought it was useless, and hence my argument abt him (that u declared was ad hominem).

If u read up the thread a little more (2nd page) u will understand why this thread has been so stagnant. You may also wanna check out the link that I posted on the first page to see the outcome of an attempted rational discussion with manni.

Butterbean · « **Reply #58 on:** August 17, 2006, 04:09:33 PM »

Quote from: haider on August 17, 2006, 02:00:27 PM

You are quoting me out of context.

Also classic Johnny

haider · « **Reply #59 on:** August 17, 2006, 04:30:42 PM »

See what you started, Stella?

If u have any questions, I will try to answer them.

Butterbean · « **Reply #60 on:** August 17, 2006, 04:37:17 PM »

Quote from: haider on August 17, 2006, 04:30:42 PM

See what you started, Stella?

If u have any questions, I will try to answer them.

Thank you so much haider, OK if I make this a sticky?

Thanks!

Butterbean · « **Reply #61 on:** August 17, 2006, 04:41:14 PM »

Haider, for some people a big part of Christianity is the worship music that glorifies and encourages the worship of Jesus and God.

Is worship music for Allah/Muhammed a large part of Islam?

haider · « **Reply #62 on:** August 17, 2006, 05:01:28 PM »

I'll research that for u so I can speak about it a little better, but until then here's my answer.

Music is probably the reason I am a muslim today actually. My ancestors in India probably would not have converted to Islam had it not been for the influence of Sufi Islam, which helped spread Islam through music.
So what christian rock is these days is somewhat the equivalent of Sufi music, except it was used as a tool to evangelise also (I dont think christian has that much of an influence on non-christians). Personally, I dont listen to Sufi music and it has never been an influence for me.

Here's what I could google up about Sufism:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sufism

And no, music is not a big part of the religion itself, though it has been used to spread the Islamic message. Many muslims actually think that music is forbidden in Islam(music that is made with modern instruments), especially the "hardcore" fundamentalist ones like the Taliban. However, this belief is unfounded and there is no sound proof of this claim in the Holy Quran.

Ofcourse there is much more depth to the issue than that, and this is precisely why I wished there was a more knowledgeable muslim on here(even a non-muslim, a certain "johnny" was able to help out

).

haider · « **Reply #63 on:** August 17, 2006, 05:11:20 PM »

Quote from: STella on August 17, 2006, 04:41:14 PM

Is worship music for Allah/Muhammed a large part of Islam?

There is "musical" worship in Islam, called "Hamd". However, this is differentiated from music (by those who think music is forbidden) as it doesnt involve the use of instruments(or atleast the ones that are used are very simple ones).
Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_music

We do NOT worship Muhammed(pbuh), so any music related to him is not "worship" music, rather it is poems that are sung in his praise. These poems, or this kind of music is called "Naat"
Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naat

haider · « **Reply #64 on:** August 17, 2006, 05:12:27 PM »

I'm out for now, I will be back later.

Butterbean · « **Reply #65 on:** August 17, 2006, 05:14:03 PM »

Thanks haider!

Quote from: haider on August 17, 2006, 05:11:20 PM

Muhammed(pbuh),

Strangely enough, this was my next question...I had seen the term/word Pbuh and wondered what it was.....

It's another name for Muhammed? Or his title?

ToxicAvenger · « **Reply #66 on:** August 17, 2006, 06:26:41 PM »

Quote from: STella on August 17, 2006, 05:14:03 PM

Thanks haider!

Strangely enough, this was my next question...I had seen the term/word Pbuh and wondered what it was.....

It's another name for Muhammed? Or his title?

i know i know..pbuh comes after every phophet name..it means " peace be upon him"

haider · « **Reply #67 on:** August 17, 2006, 06:29:59 PM »

The drunkard paki is right. We use the "pbuh" for all prophets.

ToxicAvenger · « **Reply #68 on:** August 17, 2006, 06:35:33 PM »

i win!

haider · « **Reply #69 on:** August 17, 2006, 06:43:10 PM »

hey junaid, is your family religious at all? I know u mention ur dad sometimes and that he still is a muslim and what not. I'm a bit curious.

ToxicAvenger · « **Reply #70 on:** August 17, 2006, 06:48:38 PM »

Quote from: haider on August 17, 2006, 06:43:10 PM

hey junaid, is your family religious at all? I know u mention ur dad sometimes and that he still is a muslim and what not. I'm a bit curious.

ya..dad n mum pray around once daily...

they do it together..its cute

the rest...umm not really..we gather for eid..n thats all... $:-\$

haider · « **Reply #71 on:** August 17, 2006, 06:55:20 PM »

yea its pretty much teh same in my house, though none of us are atheists. Mom's the most religious one. I used to be really into religion, but thats faded out quite a bit (bad thing...BAD thing) due to laziness. Hopefully this thread will serve as some inspiration to get me readin some Islamic literature again.

Anyhoo, Pakistan's kickin ass!! (cricket)

haider · « **Reply #72 on:** August 17, 2006, 06:56:50 PM »

I've got a link that works beautifully

ToxicAvenger · « **Reply #73 on:** August 17, 2006, 07:56:19 PM »

Quote from: haider on August 17, 2006, 06:56:50 PM

I've got a link that works beautifully

where is shoaib?

Nordic Superman · « **Reply #74 on:** August 18, 2006, 03:07:41 AM »

Why is music banned in a lot of muslim communities?

Does islam allow freedom of expression?

Why are womens rights so terrible in islamic countries?

Why did muhammad have sex with a 9 year old girl?

Can you detail the assassination of Asma bint Marwan and justify it?

What about the massacre of the Jews at the Khaybar oasis? How is this justified?

What about the murder of hundreds of prisoners of the Banu Qurayza?

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