Agreed. I have seen so many Baboons in my gym who juiced their asses to the brim, and they're still no way close to look like flex wheeler or your average pro bodybuilder, and that's says a lot about genetics
Exactly.
Natural + Hard work + Shitty genetics = a lot of gym bodybuilders who could never compete successfully
Natural + Hard work + Good genetics = Good / respectable physique, but nowhere near a pro
Juice + Hard work + Shitty genetics = Jacked gym rat who could never become a pro
Juice + lame work ethics + Shitty genetics = a fucking retard / typical meathead
Juice + lame work ethics + Good genetics = Paul Dillett, Flex Wheeler etc
Juice + Hard work + Good genetics = The top pros including Mr Olympias
What I'm trying to say is that to be at least a 3rd tier bodybuilder, one needs Genetics (primary), train (at a reasonable level) and juice hard.