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Re: What kills you more - the diet or cardio?
« Reply #75 on: August 16, 2006, 12:32:30 PM »
Its hard as hell to lose muscle.

I have never run into someone who "overdieted" for a competition.  You know why?

Because they always come back the same.

Its an excuse.

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Re: What kills you more - the diet or cardio?
« Reply #76 on: August 16, 2006, 12:33:27 PM »
Now if you would of kept most of your mass, and lost BF, that would be ideal, but you kinda look like your starving yourself. And it doesnt help how lancky and long you are.
Thanks for saying this last part for me.

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Re: What kills you more - the diet or cardio?
« Reply #77 on: August 16, 2006, 12:34:08 PM »
MIne are about that los, def under 2000, but im shedding lot of bad weight..so im surprised you two are doing the same. this is my diet, in the basic..

meal 1- Designer prtein (40g protein) and 1/2 cups oats

meal2- 6-8 oz chicken, or fish, sometimes lean chop meat and veggies

meal3- designer protein (40g protein) and 1/2 cups oats

Workout**

meal5- 6-8 oz chicken, or fish, sometimes lean chop meat and veggies AND 1/2 cup oats

Cardio session**

meal6-  designer protein (40g protein)

bedtime
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Pretty low eh?

You are shedding alot because you are fat....Its not muscle you are losing.

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Re: What kills you more - the diet or cardio?
« Reply #78 on: August 16, 2006, 12:34:26 PM »
I'm dieting using TA's methods which are basically "stop eating like a fat fucking American and have some control" and it's working great. It's easy and people are amazed at that what I eat only amounts to 1400 calories.

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Re: What kills you more - the diet or cardio?
« Reply #79 on: August 16, 2006, 12:34:30 PM »
Yup, my diet is very simliar.  Once a week or so I'll have high carbs and probably get 2500 calories.   

Otherwise I'm getting 1400-1800.

that's why Bast looks more full in his photos, he throws in a high carb day once a week, TA doesn't.
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Re: What kills you more - the diet or cardio?
« Reply #80 on: August 16, 2006, 12:34:44 PM »
MIne are about that los, def under 2000, but im shedding lot of bad weight..so im surprised you two are doing the same. this is my diet, in the basic..

meal 1- Designer prtein (40g protein) and 1/2 cups oats

meal2- 6-8 oz chicken, or fish, sometimes lean chop meat and veggies

meal3- designer protein (40g protein) and 1/2 cups oats

Workout**

meal5- 6-8 oz chicken, or fish, sometimes lean chop meat and veggies AND 1/2 cup oats

Cardio session**

meal6-  designer protein (40g protein)

bedtime
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Pretty low eh?
Been following this since April, started at 240 as of today im 210..


That's low, so how are you eating much more than Adonis? you're not.

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Re: What kills you more - the diet or cardio?
« Reply #81 on: August 16, 2006, 12:36:12 PM »
In Arnold's book he writes that you should get at least 1g protein per pound, enough carbs to stay out of ketosis, and 20% should be fat.

So say you're 180lbs.

200g protein  (20 more than need to be safe)

75g carbs will keep you out of ketosis safely. 

30g fat.  (around 20% of total calories)

=1450 calories.

30g of fat is not nearly enough. Arnold's advice is moot becuase he was juiced to the gills. Dieting naturally vs. chemically enhanced is very different.

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Re: What kills you more - the diet or cardio?
« Reply #82 on: August 16, 2006, 12:37:44 PM »
Procebito is an idiot....He thinks Protein is up there with carbs and is metabolized first before stored body fat is. HAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH .   If that were the case, we would be storing Protein.hahhahahahhaah What an idiot...I always knew he was a clown.


Carbohydrates and Fats for Fuel
Nutrients get converted to ATP based upon the intensity and duration of activity, with carbohydrate as the main nutrient fueling exercise of a moderate to high intensity, and fat providing energy during exercise that occurs at or below 50% VO2 max. Fat is a great fuel for endurance events, but it is simply not adequate for high level aerobic exercise (over 50% VO2Max) or for anaerobic exercise such as sprints or intervals. intensity. If exercising at or below 50-60% VO2Max, you can utilize fat stores for energy. At a low intensity, you have enough stored fat to fuel activity for several days (most people have 100,000 Calories of energy stored as fat) as long as there is sufficient oxygen to allow fat metabolism to occur.

As exercise intensity increases to 60 and 90% VO2Max, carbohydrate metabolism takes over and is more efficient than fat metabolism. Since a well-fed athlete can hold about 1500 carbohydrate Calories, this level of intensity can be sustained for approximately 2 hours. After that, stored carbohydrates are used up and you may hit the wall or ‘bonk.’ An athlete can sustain 60-90% VO2Max for more than 2 hours by simply replenishing carbohydrate stores during exercise. This is why it is critical to eat easily digestible carbohydrates during moderate exercise that lasts more than a few hours. If you don’t take in enough carbohydrates, you will be forced to reduce your intensity to less than 50%VO2Max and tap back into fat metabolism to fuel activity.

As VO2Max is reached and surpassed, carbohydrate metabolism efficiency drops off dramatically and anaerobic metabolism takes over. This is because your body can not take in and distribute oxygen quickly enough to use either fat or carbohydrate metabolism easily. In fact, carbohydrates can produce nearly 20 times more energy (in the form of ATP) per gram when metabolized in the presence of adequate oxygen than when generated in the oxygen-starved, anaerobic environment that occurs once you reach and surpass your VO2Max.


With training, there are several cardiovascular system adaptations that dramatically improve the ability to reach higher levels of exercise intensity over longer periods of time. First, training can increase an athlete's VO2Max. This improves the efficiency of oxygen transport to working muscles, allowing greater exercise duration at higher intensity before anaerobic pathways are needed. Higher Vo2Max levels also help remove lactic acid more quickly, which leads to faster recovery from anaerobic sprints, or other speed bursts. Another key to training is that it improves an athlete's ability to withstand greater build-up of lactic acid before discomfort requires a reduction in exercise intensity.

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Re: What kills you more - the diet or cardio?
« Reply #83 on: August 16, 2006, 12:39:36 PM »
that's why Bast looks more full in his photos, he throws in a high carb day once a week, TA doesn't.

Thats not true either.

Different body types.  Plus I do look full in full body pictures......Looking full is another bullshit term in actuallity and so is the carb up process for a natural.

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Re: What kills you more - the diet or cardio?
« Reply #84 on: August 16, 2006, 12:39:40 PM »
Procebito is an idiot....He thinks Protein is up there with carbs and is metabolized first before stored body fat is. HAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH .   If that were the case, we would be storing Protein.hahhahahahhaah What an idiot...I always knew he was a clown.




We do store protein - it's called muscle.

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Re: What kills you more - the diet or cardio?
« Reply #85 on: August 16, 2006, 12:41:19 PM »
pobrecito. Go back over to teenbodybuilding.com and set up elborate training schemes for dudes who have been lifting for 2 weeks and decide to "cut" hahahahahah

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Re: What kills you more - the diet or cardio?
« Reply #86 on: August 16, 2006, 12:43:53 PM »
That's low, so how are you eating much more than Adonis? you're not.

not rightnow Bast, I know what I gotta do.. But I would change it to up the protein, maybe carbs slightly. This is just to shed excess fat. But once im down to your type of %, forghetaboutit...it will go down to one protein shake a day, and subsitiute in 2 food meals, of you know, chicken/fish or lean meat with a carb..


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Re: What kills you more - the diet or cardio?
« Reply #87 on: August 16, 2006, 12:45:30 PM »
you can't judge someones physique when they are dieting hard, depleting and training hard. At least let them carb up slowly for 3 to 4 days, then do the judging...

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Re: What kills you more - the diet or cardio?
« Reply #88 on: August 16, 2006, 12:46:26 PM »
you can't judge someones physique when they are dieting hard, depleting and training hard. At least let them carb up slowly for 3 to 4 days, then do the judging...

This is true..

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Re: What kills you more - the diet or cardio?
« Reply #89 on: August 16, 2006, 12:46:41 PM »
Also, not to take anything away from Bast,because he knows I am his boy for life and I think he has done very well,

but you have to take into account the distance of pictures....His are close up,mine are always far away.....The closer the more impressive and bigger you look....The further away, the harder it gets. :)

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Re: What kills you more - the diet or cardio?
« Reply #90 on: August 16, 2006, 12:46:55 PM »
not rightnow Bast, I know what I gotta do.. But I would change it to up the protein, maybe carbs slightly. This is just to shed excess fat. But once im down to your type of %, forghetaboutit...it will go down to one protein shake a day, and subsitiute in 2 food meals, of you know, chicken/fish or lean meat with a carb..



So you're saying you will increase carbs later on?

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Re: What kills you more - the diet or cardio?
« Reply #91 on: August 16, 2006, 12:47:09 PM »
I'd rather just not eat than have to do cardio.
Ronnie looked like doodoo

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Re: What kills you more - the diet or cardio?
« Reply #92 on: August 16, 2006, 12:47:28 PM »
Also, not to take anything away from Bast,because he knows I am his boy for life and I think he has done very well,

but you have to take into account the distance of pictures....His are close up,mine are always far away.....The closer the more impressive and bigger you look....The further away, the harder it gets. :)

yea i agree.

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Re: What kills you more - the diet or cardio?
« Reply #93 on: August 16, 2006, 12:50:54 PM »
Plus, You guys are forgetting that you DO NOT burn the same amount of calories everyday....I sit at a desk all day.....Some of you don`t.  Therefore you just may be burning more calories than me..hahhaahahhahahahh  By your rationales you are more catabolic since you are burning more with the cardio and more activity level than I am.

You are NOT eating much more than me at all.


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Re: What kills you more - the diet or cardio?
« Reply #94 on: August 16, 2006, 12:51:59 PM »
this shit is classic. I feel like the circus is in town.

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Re: What kills you more - the diet or cardio?
« Reply #95 on: August 16, 2006, 12:54:19 PM »
Also, not to take anything away from Bast,because he knows I am his boy for life and I think he has done very well,

but you have to take into account the distance of pictures....His are close up,mine are always far away.....The closer the more impressive and bigger you look....The further away, the harder it gets. :)

Plus all of Bast's shot are reflected from a circus mirror so making him look huge.
just push some weight!

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Re: What kills you more - the diet or cardio?
« Reply #96 on: August 16, 2006, 12:54:30 PM »
this shit is classic. I feel like the circus is in town.

hahahh they sulk in their delusions.

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Re: What kills you more - the diet or cardio?
« Reply #97 on: August 16, 2006, 12:55:06 PM »
Plus, You guys are forgetting that you DO NOT burn the same amount of calories everyday....I sit at a desk all day.....Some of you don`t.  Therefore you just may be burning more calories than me..hahhaahahhahahahh  By your rationales you are more catabolic since you are burning more with the cardio and more activity level than I am.

You are NOT eating much more than me at all.


hahhahahha

you eat like a bird, and due to your pathetically low fat intake your testosteone levels are lower than they potentially could be. Where are your EFAs? The fact that you have almond butter before bed is good, but you need more of it throughout the day.


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Re: What kills you more - the diet or cardio?
« Reply #98 on: August 16, 2006, 12:58:25 PM »
Pobrecito... maybe he should put olive oil in his shakes and rinse his ground beef?

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Re: What kills you more - the diet or cardio?
« Reply #99 on: August 16, 2006, 12:59:07 PM »
you eat like a bird, and due to your pathetically low fat intake your testosteone levels are lower than they potentially could be. Where are your EFAs? The fact that you have almond butter before bed is good, but you need more of it throughout the day.



Keep singing your delusional song.  You cry about EFA`s like they are some wonder drug...They will not keep Testosterone levels up to any noticeable degree. But go ahead, waste your money of Flaxseed. Go ahead eat your fat, and wonder why you don`t even have a vein in your forearm.  haaa clown.