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Hurricane Katrina Memorial Questioned by ACLU
« on: August 16, 2006, 06:27:08 AM »
Mike Johnson: Plans for Katrina anniversary are absurd, revealing
August 14, 2006

How should a community mark the anniversary of a cataclysmic disaster that took at least 1,600 lives, devastated families, destroyed homes and property, and crippled an entire state's economy? Advocates of a somber memorial service or day of prayer and reflection beware. New Orleans City Hall wants to throw an elaborate party, and the American Civil Liberties Union of Louisiana plans to attack and silence any hint of religious sentiment. Could there be any clearer illustration of what is wrong in Louisiana?

As Katrina's anniversary date looms, national media outlets highlighted both of these outrageous stories this week. First, news broke that the administration of New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin was actually planning celebratory events to mark the city's tragedy. Included in the announced schedule were a huge fireworks display, a masquerade ball and a comedy show gleefully hosted by Harrah's Casino. Have they no shame? No decency? No compassion for those poor souls who lost everything in the storm?
 
With righteous indignation, a chorus of voices lambasted the mayor and Harrah's for their shocking insensitivity. Residents of the 9th Ward and other devastated areas were particularly emotional in their responses. By Tuesday, Nagin was forced to "clarify" some of his previous statements and call off the most controversial of the planned events. Still, he remained stiff-necked and attributed the changes only to logistical challenges.

Meanwhile, to the southeast, the St. Bernard Parish Council was taking heat of a different kind.

In that area -- ground zero for Katrina -- local leaders were making good decisions and planning appropriate events such as a memorial service and march, wreath laying and bell-ringing ceremony. They also announced citizens' plans to erect a large cross monument on the beach at the Mississippi River-Gulf outlet as a permanent memorial to the 129 parish residents who died in the storm. Enter the villainous ACLU.

In a demand letter, Louisiana ACLU director Joe Cook threatened to sue the parish in federal court if the cross is placed. Cook claims a "violation of separation of church and state" even though the cross will go up on private land and be funded by citizen donations. (Cook is clearly wrong, and I have offered the Alliance Defense Fund's services for free to help defend the St. Bernard against these ridiculous attacks.)

So, how should we memorialize America's greatest natural disaster? Perhaps if we spent more time in somber reflection and prayer, and less time on fireworks and costume parties, we could sustain the rest of the nation's sympathy and support.

Mike Johnson of Shreveport is senior legal counsel for Alliance Defense Fund.

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Re: Hurricane Katrina Memorial Questioned by ACLU
« Reply #1 on: August 16, 2006, 07:41:17 AM »
Oh I just love these unbias articles you copy/paste...



Firstly, New Orelans isn't celebrating the disaster. They are celebrating their recovery from the disaster.


Secondly, The ACLU is suing because the parish is planning to set up the cross. Not the private citizens. It doesn't matter where the cross will be or where the money came from. The fact that it's being set up by the city governmement(I'm assuming, though the article doesn't even explain) is a violation of the seperation of church and state.

If private citizens set up a cross they paid for on private land, Then the ACLU wouldn't have a case. The only reason they have a case is because it's being done by the city government opposed to private citizens.


Thirdly, You believe the ACLU is "villainous"? You're being brainwashed by the whitemans conservative fundamentalist propaganda.


Who was it who aided in the Brown v. Board of Education case to end public school segregation?

Who was it who fought in Loving vs. Virginia to end the ban on interracial marriage?




Oh...But you wouldn't possibly support banning segregation would you?



It's not like you're AFRICAN AMERICAN or anything like that...

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Re: Hurricane Katrina Memorial Questioned by ACLU
« Reply #2 on: August 16, 2006, 09:40:06 AM »
Oh I just love these unbias articles you copy/paste...



Firstly, New Orelans isn't celebrating the disaster. They are celebrating their recovery from the disaster.


Secondly, The ACLU is suing because the parish is planning to set up the cross. Not the private citizens. It doesn't matter where the cross will be or where the money came from. The fact that it's being set up by the city governmement(I'm assuming, though the article doesn't even explain) is a violation of the seperation of church and state.

If private citizens set up a cross they paid for on private land, Then the ACLU wouldn't have a case. The only reason they have a case is because it's being done by the city government opposed to private citizens.


Thirdly, You believe the ACLU is "villainous"? You're being brainwashed by the whitemans conservative fundamentalist propaganda.


Who was it who aided in the Brown v. Board of Education case to end public school segregation?

Who was it who fought in Loving vs. Virginia to end the ban on interracial marriage?




Oh...But you wouldn't possibly support banning segregation would you?



It's not like you're AFRICAN AMERICAN or anything like that...


Yes the ACLU has done some good things over the years, but they've also taken extreme, partisan positions too. 

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« Reply #3 on: August 16, 2006, 10:42:45 AM »
Yes the ACLU has done some good things over the years, but they've also taken extreme, partisan positions too. 

They take positions that "seem" partisan. However the positions they take aren't partisan towards one party or towards liberals or conservatives. The ACLU takes positions that would seem extremly democrat,extremly republican or extremly conservative or extremly liberal.

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« Reply #4 on: August 16, 2006, 10:44:12 AM »
Hey Tyrone.......or welcome back Johnny Apollo..........missed ya man.

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« Reply #5 on: August 16, 2006, 10:47:59 AM »
Hey Tyrone.......or welcome back Johnny Apollo..........missed ya man.


I'm not Johnny.

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« Reply #6 on: August 16, 2006, 10:57:13 AM »
Yeah. Right.

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« Reply #7 on: August 16, 2006, 11:57:06 AM »
They take positions that "seem" partisan. However the positions they take aren't partisan towards one party or towards liberals or conservatives. The ACLU takes positions that would seem extremly democrat,extremly republican or extremly conservative or extremly liberal.

The ACLU lines up with liberal Democrats all the time, particularly on religion and abortion issues.  They have taken the extreme view that the First Amendment requires the removal of all religious expression from the public sector.  I believe they have always supported abortion on demand (I think).  Whatever good they do, of which I'm sure there is plenty, gets lost in the high profile very bad cases they get involved with.

I've talked to a number of ACLU people.  They're about as liberal as you can get.   

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« Reply #8 on: August 16, 2006, 11:59:04 AM »

I'm not Johnny.

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« Reply #9 on: August 16, 2006, 12:20:43 PM »
Oh I just love these unbias articles you copy/paste...



Firstly, New Orelans isn't celebrating the disaster. They are celebrating their recovery from the disaster.


Secondly, The ACLU is suing because the parish is planning to set up the cross. Not the private citizens. It doesn't matter where the cross will be or where the money came from. The fact that it's being set up by the city governmement(I'm assuming, though the article doesn't even explain) is a violation of the seperation of church and state.

If private citizens set up a cross they paid for on private land, Then the ACLU wouldn't have a case. The only reason they have a case is because it's being done by the city government opposed to private citizens.


Thirdly, You believe the ACLU is "villainous"? You're being brainwashed by the whitemans conservative fundamentalist propaganda.


Who was it who aided in the Brown v. Board of Education case to end public school segregation?

Who was it who fought in Loving vs. Virginia to end the ban on interracial marriage?




Oh...But you wouldn't possibly support banning segregation would you?



It's not like you're AFRICAN AMERICAN or anything like that...

Johnny, Tyrone, or whoever you are today... I agree with what you say about the American Civil Liberties Union and their efforts back then.  But, you need to freely and unequivically admit that the ACLU is now a far cry from the cases you quote.  Instead of being advocates for animals like PETA is, the ACLU is now the PETA of Political Correctness. 

For all the bias that you scream of me, you would have to admit that you are simply on the opposite end of the table.  Or even worse, you sit back, watch, DO NOTHING, and then critique everything.  You're like sportscaster who commentates on football games as if you are a veteran, yet you've never played a down in your life!  And when you get called on this, you use your "journalistic" influence to throw your punches. 

BTW, I still consider myself black.  After being a 'nig*a', negro, colored, and black american, I realized that I don't need the ACLU's or other PC fascist orginizations to define who I am.  So, I got off the PC train at being black.  I'll only take my orders of who I am from God, and God alone thank you very much.

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« Reply #10 on: August 16, 2006, 01:28:37 PM »
The ACLU lines up with liberal Democrats all the time, particularly on religion and abortion issues.  They have taken the extreme view that the First Amendment requires the removal of all religious expression from the public sector.  I believe they have always supported abortion on demand (I think).  Whatever good they do, of which I'm sure there is plenty, gets lost in the high profile very bad cases they get involved with.

I've talked to a number of ACLU people.  They're about as liberal as you can get.   

  • You claim the ACLU holds an "Extreme view" of the 1st amendment yet the supreme court has made it clear that a "wall of seperation" exists between church and state. Opposing religious expressions from the govt isn't an "Extreme view".
  • You claim the ACLU is liberal? Is supporting the KKK or Neo nazi's who are extremly far right wing conservatives "liberal"? No.

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« Reply #11 on: August 16, 2006, 01:32:47 PM »
For all the bias at you scream of me, you would have to admit that you are simply on the opposite end of the table.  Or even worse, you sit back, watch, DO NOTHING, and then critique everything.  You're like sportscaster who commentates on football games as if you are a veteran, yet you've never played a down in your life!  And when you get called on this, you use your "journalistic" influence to throw your punches. 

BTW, I still consider myself black.  After being a 'nig*a', negro, colored, and black american, I realized that I don't need the ACLU's or other PC fascist orginizations to define who I am.  So, I got off the PC train at being black.  I'll only take my orders of who I am from God, and God alone thank you very much.

Give us examples. Solid examples of what the ACLU does that you're against.

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« Reply #12 on: August 16, 2006, 01:46:43 PM »
Johnny, Tyrone, or whoever you are today... I agree with what you say about the American Civil Liberties Union and their efforts back then.  But, you need to freely and unequivically admit that the ACLU is now a far cry from the cases you quote.  Instead of being advocates for animals like PETA is, the ACLU is now the PETA of Political Correctness. 

For all the bias that you scream of me, you would have to admit that you are simply on the opposite end of the table.  Or even worse, you sit back, watch, DO NOTHING, and then critique everything.  You're like sportscaster who commentates on football games as if you are a veteran, yet you've never played a down in your life!  And when you get called on this, you use your "journalistic" influence to throw your punches. 

BTW, I still consider myself black.  After being a 'nig*a', negro, colored, and black american, I realized that I don't need the ACLU's or other PC fascist orginizations to define who I am.  So, I got off the PC train at being black.  I'll only take my orders of who I am from God, and God alone thank you very much.

*applause*  Well said. 

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« Reply #13 on: August 16, 2006, 01:51:25 PM »
Give us examples. Solid examples of what the ACLU does that you're against.
First you say this article is biased, then you tell me you want proof.  Ok, here's another article on the same topic.  The ACLU is full of cases like this now.  It's like this is there sole agenda...remove any signs of Judeo-Christian influence.

Associated Press - ACLU Concerned About Hurricane Memorial Featuring Cross in Louisiana   
 
August 7, 2006
The Associated Press

CHALMETTE — The American Civil Liberties Union of Louisiana is unhappy with plans for a hurricane memorial in St. Bernard Parish will feature a cross bearing a likeness of the face of Jesus.

In a July 28 letter, Louisiana ACLU Executive Director Joe Cook said that the government promotion of a patently religious symbol on a public waterway is a violation of the Constitution’s call for the separation of church and state.

Parish President Henry “Junior” Rodriguez said, however, he sees nothing improper about the memorial, which will be mounted near the shoreline of the Mississippi River-Gulf Outlet at Shell Beach. The cross and accompanying monument listing the names of the 129 parish residents who died in Hurricane Katrina are earmarked for what the parish says is private land and are being financed with donations, Rodriguez said.

Cook asked the parish to erect a religiously neutral symbol and voiced concern that the Parish Council was sanctioning a religious monument.

The St. Bernard Parish Council voted several months ago to erect a monument, but at the time did not offer specific plans. The parish recently announced plans to dedicate the memorial on Aug. 29, the one-year anniversary of the devastating hurricane.

The cross is being designed and fabricated by Vincent LaBruzzo, a welder and fabricator. The stainless-steel cross will be 13 feet tall and 7 feet wide and will be lighted, according to a note on the parish’s Web site.

LaBruzzo worked for the parish before recently taking a job with Unified Recovery Group, the company clearing the parish’s storm debris. Rodriguez said he helped LaBruzzo get the job with URG. LaBruzzo did not return phone messages seeking comment.

Rodriguez and others like the idea of putting the monument along the banks of the MRGO, because that waterway, dug by the federal government as a shipping shortcut in the 1960s, is widely blamed in the parish for accelerating the deadly flooding that accompanied Hurricane Katrina. Over the years erosion has widened the outlet, so the bank on which the cross will be erected is on privately owned land, Rodriguez said. He added that the parish is researching who owns the land on which the stone monument bearing the names of the victims will sit, but he thinks that it is also privately owned.

Parish Councilman Tony “Ricky” Melerine and Charlie Reppel, Rodriguez’s chief of staff, said they are co-chairing the memorial committee on their private time.

“The memorial is being coordinated by a group of volunteers on their own time, and no public money is going to the project that will be on private land,” Reppel said. “The committee members are all volunteers, including me. We are putting in a lot of unpaid overtime.”

Other committee members include St. Bernard Sheriff’s Office Chief Deputy Anthony Fernandez Jr.; St. Bernard Tourism Director Elizabeth “Gidget” McDougall; former Parish President Charles Ponstein, who is working with a state agency on local business retention; Lorrie Allen, Reppel’s assistant; and LaBruzzo.

While the ACLU thinks a memorial to the storm and its victims is “clearly appropriate,” Cook said, St. Bernard’s is “still all very questionable. I think there is official government involvement with the endorsement and advancement of this clearly religious symbol.”
 

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« Reply #14 on: August 16, 2006, 01:51:56 PM »
*applause*  Well said. 
Thanks, bro. 

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« Reply #15 on: August 16, 2006, 01:55:24 PM »
First you say this article is biased, then you tell me you want proof.  Ok, here's another article on the same topic.  The ACLU is full of cases like this now.  It's like this is there sole agenda...remove any signs of Judeo-Christian influence.

Associated Press - ACLU Concerned About Hurricane Memorial Featuring Cross in Louisiana   
 
August 7, 2006
The Associated Press

CHALMETTE — The American Civil Liberties Union of Louisiana is unhappy with plans for a hurricane memorial in St. Bernard Parish will feature a cross bearing a likeness of the face of Jesus.

In a July 28 letter, Louisiana ACLU Executive Director Joe Cook said that the government promotion of a patently religious symbol on a public waterway is a violation of the Constitution’s call for the separation of church and state.

Parish President Henry “Junior” Rodriguez said, however, he sees nothing improper about the memorial, which will be mounted near the shoreline of the Mississippi River-Gulf Outlet at Shell Beach. The cross and accompanying monument listing the names of the 129 parish residents who died in Hurricane Katrina are earmarked for what the parish says is private land and are being financed with donations, Rodriguez said.

Cook asked the parish to erect a religiously neutral symbol and voiced concern that the Parish Council was sanctioning a religious monument.

The St. Bernard Parish Council voted several months ago to erect a monument, but at the time did not offer specific plans. The parish recently announced plans to dedicate the memorial on Aug. 29, the one-year anniversary of the devastating hurricane.

The cross is being designed and fabricated by Vincent LaBruzzo, a welder and fabricator. The stainless-steel cross will be 13 feet tall and 7 feet wide and will be lighted, according to a note on the parish’s Web site.

LaBruzzo worked for the parish before recently taking a job with Unified Recovery Group, the company clearing the parish’s storm debris. Rodriguez said he helped LaBruzzo get the job with URG. LaBruzzo did not return phone messages seeking comment.

Rodriguez and others like the idea of putting the monument along the banks of the MRGO, because that waterway, dug by the federal government as a shipping shortcut in the 1960s, is widely blamed in the parish for accelerating the deadly flooding that accompanied Hurricane Katrina. Over the years erosion has widened the outlet, so the bank on which the cross will be erected is on privately owned land, Rodriguez said. He added that the parish is researching who owns the land on which the stone monument bearing the names of the victims will sit, but he thinks that it is also privately owned.

Parish Councilman Tony “Ricky” Melerine and Charlie Reppel, Rodriguez’s chief of staff, said they are co-chairing the memorial committee on their private time.

“The memorial is being coordinated by a group of volunteers on their own time, and no public money is going to the project that will be on private land,” Reppel said. “The committee members are all volunteers, including me. We are putting in a lot of unpaid overtime.”

Other committee members include St. Bernard Sheriff’s Office Chief Deputy Anthony Fernandez Jr.; St. Bernard Tourism Director Elizabeth “Gidget” McDougall; former Parish President Charles Ponstein, who is working with a state agency on local business retention; Lorrie Allen, Reppel’s assistant; and LaBruzzo.

While the ACLU thinks a memorial to the storm and its victims is “clearly appropriate,” Cook said, St. Bernard’s is “still all very questionable. I think there is official government involvement with the endorsement and advancement of this clearly religious symbol.”
 



The ACLU opposes this because it's being done by the local government and not private citizens. Thus violation of the constitution and seperation of church and state.

Many people died during hurricane katrina and many people lost alot. Not all of them were Christians.


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Re: Hurricane Katrina Memorial Questioned by ACLU
« Reply #16 on: August 16, 2006, 01:56:07 PM »
  • You claim the ACLU holds an "Extreme view" of the 1st amendment yet the supreme court has made it clear that a "wall of seperation" exists between church and state. Opposing religious expressions from the govt isn't an "Extreme view".
  • You claim the ACLU is liberal? Is supporting the KKK or Neo nazi's who are extremly far right wing conservatives "liberal"? No.

I believe in church-state separation, but I don't advocate the extreme, paranoid view held by the ACLU.  The supreme court did not make clear that all religious expression has to be removed from the public sector.  That's why they say a prayer in federal courtrooms, including the U.S. Supreme Court.  That's why both the House and Senate have a chaplain on the payroll.  What the Establishment Clause is designed to do is prevent the government from endorsing a particular religion.  It is not designed to have people running around the country trying to find every piece of religious artwork on public property.  

Supporting the free speech rights of members of the KKK is fine, supporting abortion on demand is not.  What I said was the ACLU has done plenty of good, but it's overshadowed by some of their extreme views IMO.    

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« Reply #17 on: August 16, 2006, 01:59:50 PM »
I believe in church-state separation, but I don't advocate the extreme, paranoid view held by the ACLU.  The supreme court did not make clear that all religious expression has to be removed from the public sector.  That's why they say a prayer in federal courtrooms, including the U.S. Supreme Court.  That's why both the House and Senate have a chaplain on the payroll.  What the Establishment Clause is designed to do is prevent the government from endorsing a particular religion.  It is not designed to have people running around the country trying to find every piece of religious artwork on public property.

Prayer in courtrooms is a private matter and no one is forced to do it.

The house and senate shouldn't have a chaplan on payroll.

 

Supporting the free speech rights of members of the KKK is fine, supporting abortion on demand is not.  What I said was the ACLU has done plenty of good, but it's overshadowed by some of their extreme views IMO.    

What's wrong with abortion?

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« Reply #18 on: August 16, 2006, 02:01:25 PM »
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Give us examples. Solid examples of what the ACLU does that you're against.

1. The Mt. Soledad Memorial case in California
2. The ACLU back a Las Vegas, NV school board for cutting a valedictorian's speech at a graduation for thanking Jesus.
3. The 10 Commandments case in Kentucky


that's just 3 off the top of my head.  And as Beach said, the ACLU is all over the partial-birth abortion argument.  Where ever you see Planned Parenthood in the news, the ACLU is sure to follow.  

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« Reply #19 on: August 16, 2006, 02:04:16 PM »

The ACLU opposes this because it's being done by the local government and not private citizens. Thus violation of the constitution and seperation of church and state.

Many people died during hurricane katrina and many people lost alot. Not all of them were Christians.


If these people are volunteering, doesn't that constitute them being private citizens?  They aren't getting paid for this.  I think you conveniently skipped that part of the article.

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« Reply #20 on: August 16, 2006, 02:07:54 PM »

Many people died during hurricane katrina and many people lost alot. Not all of them were Christians.
Just because they aren't all Christians doesn't mean that the ones who are should be prevented from putting up a memorial if they so choose.  You are trading the rights for one group of people to appease another group of people.  How is that any fair? 


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« Reply #21 on: August 16, 2006, 02:14:08 PM »
Prayer in courtrooms is a private matter and no one is forced to do it.

The house and senate shouldn't have a chaplan on payroll.

 

What's wrong with abortion?

Oh really?  Ever been in a federal courtroom?  You cannot simply walk out while they're going through their "God save this honorable court" mantra.  It's not voluntary at all if you're one of the parties or lawyers involved.  I bet the authors of "Game of Shadows" won't be able to walk out of the federal court room when they show up for their contempt hearing pretty soon.    

Whether you agree with the chaplains or not, they're there.  

I didn't say anything was wrong with abortion.  I haven't expressed an opinion on abortion one way or the other.  I have a problem with the ACLU's position, which I think is a support for abortion on demand, regardless of circumstances.  I don't think most of the country supports this view.  Abortion is a very, very difficult and complicated issue, but supporting things like a minor's ability to cross state lines to get an abortion without their parents knowledge or consent is extreme IMO.  

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« Reply #22 on: August 16, 2006, 02:14:57 PM »
1. The Mt. Soledad Memorial case in California

The ACLU opposed the aqusition of the memorial with tax payer dollars. The cross itself was on government owned land and had no business being there since many Americans who died in iraq aren't Christians.

You would support the case if it was a giant cross of David or some Hindu symbol on govt land and you'd be saying the same thing i'm saying now. ::)


2. The ACLU back a Las Vegas, NV school board for cutting a valedictorian's speech at a graduation for thanking Jesus.

They cut that speech because of the fact she was basically preaching for christianity at a school sponsored event. The public school paid for by tax payer dollars allowed her to go onstage. Her preaching about christianity would of been viewed as a school support for christianity.(Violation of the constitution)

3. The 10 Commandments case in Kentucky

This is an obvious violation of the constitution. The statue was an obvious symbol of religion and was put out by the state government as if to support a specific religion.

This sends the wrong message to non-christians. When they see the 10 commandments displayed outside courtrooms or capital buildings they think that those law makers care more about their religious beliefs than they do the law. As if to say "Our rules are the 10 commandments and not the laws we make). When the laws being made are often in contradiction to the 10 commandments.


that's just 3 off the top of my head.  And as Beach said, the ACLU is all over the partial-birth abortion argument.  Where ever you see Planned Parenthood in the news, the ACLU is sure to follow.  

So?

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« Reply #23 on: August 16, 2006, 02:20:37 PM »
  • KKK or Neo nazi's who are extremly far right wing conservatives "liberal"? No.

That's quite an interesting take on those groups.

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« Reply #24 on: August 16, 2006, 02:22:25 PM »
The ACLU opposed the aqusition of the memorial with tax payer dollars. The cross itself was on government owned land and had no business being there since many Americans who died in iraq aren't Christians.

You would support the case if it was a giant cross of David or some Hindu symbol on govt land and you'd be saying the same thing i'm saying now. ::)


They cut that speech because of the fact she was basically preaching for christianity at a school sponsored event. The public school paid for by tax payer dollars allowed her to go onstage. Her preaching about christianity would of been viewed as a school support for christianity.(Violation of the constitution)

This is an obvious violation of the constitution. The statue was an obvious symbol of religion and was put out by the state government as if to support a specific religion.

This sends the wrong message to non-christians. When they see the 10 commandments displayed outside courtrooms or capital buildings they think that those law makers care more about their religious beliefs than they do the law. As if to say "Our rules are the 10 commandments and not the laws we make). When the laws being made are often in contradiction to the 10 commandments.


So?
If these cases are so "open-and-shut", like the 10 Commandments case, then why did the ACLU lose?  Why is the ACLU about to lose the Mt. Soledad case?  And so on.  C'mon bro, just admit that they aren't what they used to be, and the cases they take now specifically harass no other religion but those of the Christian faith.  The crassness of your arguments are amazing.