Author Topic: BS: Jonnie Jackson Dead Lift record?? (Read 7205 times)

brianX · « **Reply #25 on:** August 16, 2006, 07:26:02 PM »

I actually agree about the straps. They don't really make much difference when doing max singles.

Van_Bilderass · « **Reply #26 on:** August 16, 2006, 07:56:48 PM »

Quote from: Tokyo Joe on August 16, 2006, 09:09:28 AM

I really don't think straps make much difference for singles. You lose focus and momentum wrapping the straps around the bar. It's much easier to walk up, bend over and pick the bar up in one action... maybe that's just me??

I agree 100%. I can get a good 10-20lbs. more without straps and using mixed grip. You can just "grip and rip". The mixed grip also changes the mechanics for the better IME, compared to overhand grip.

IceCold · « **Reply #27 on:** August 16, 2006, 11:28:12 PM »

Quote from: Matt C on August 16, 2006, 05:36:44 PM

Yep, that was in MD last year in a tribute to Ronnie section where pros spoke about Ronnie.

Ronnie started with 80s then went up to 100s and 120s and finally 150s. Johnnie kept up for a while but could only get the 150s for two reps. Ronnie did three sets of 20 reps with them and when Ronnie was reminded that the gym didn't go past the 150s after doing his high rep sets Ronnie said "Man, this gym sucks", and Johnnie said "Yeah man, definitely."

That story isn't exactly accurate, but it's pretty close. It goes to show Johnnie did not have Ronnie's endurance when it came to strength.

How is Ronnie's total 2300?

Deadlift = 850
Squat = 850
Bench = 600

These may not be exactly accurate, but they are probably close. Guaranteed Ronnie would get over 2000 in contest. Johnnie said he got 2170 in an official contest. I would say Ronnie is slightly over that, but not by more than 100 pounds or so at most.

ronnie would get over 2000 in a pl contest. however, jj competes as a 242 pounder, where as coleman would need to be 275 or SHW. 2000 for a SHW aint that good. but who knows what would have happened if ronnie trained for strength. i dont think he would have been an all time great (sorry hulkster) but def. would have put up some good numbers.

IceCold · « **Reply #28 on:** August 16, 2006, 11:29:27 PM »

Quote from: squatz on August 16, 2006, 07:13:04 PM

Johnnie can hang close with Ronnie on deadlifts, but not on squats and DEFINETELY not on bench press.

Johnnie's 804 deadlift was performed in front of judges and passed all the necessary requirements. No straps, all raw (deadlift suit does not help much if any; nothing like a bench shirt or squat suit). He got the next attempt up, and would have been counted in the gym but not at a meet (probably due to hitching).

Ronnie did 800 for two with straps 5 weeks out from olympia. Form very questionable per powerlifting standards.

But really, who gives a shit when you look like Coleman?

his form? how was it questionable? he locked out both reps.

Hedgehog · « **Reply #29 on:** August 16, 2006, 11:36:32 PM »

Wraps, not straps.

YIP
Zack

Scimowser · « **Reply #30 on:** August 17, 2006, 12:33:43 AM »

i think its fair to say that had ronnie become a powerlifter in his 20's, we would be seeing him squat and dead around 925 atleast and bench 600+

Hedgehog · « **Reply #31 on:** August 17, 2006, 12:43:07 AM »

Quote from: Scimowser on August 17, 2006, 12:33:43 AM

i think its fair to say that had ronnie become a powerlifter in his 20's, we would be seeing him squat and dead around 925 atleast and bench 600+

You never know. The guy seems to have some serious issues with his grip.

And I'm sure he wouldn't pull 925 lbs. Perhaps with the circus barbell they use in the WPO (Oakie bar). But not with a regular barbell.

The squat however, I think he would be good for a 1000 lbs squat, in an untested federation.

YIP
Zack

growthfactor · « **Reply #32 on:** August 17, 2006, 04:15:53 AM »

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look at him struggle with that deadlift...

growthfactor · « **Reply #33 on:** August 17, 2006, 04:16:58 AM »

btw.. thats 5 plates a side...

I'm NOT impressed

Overload · « **Reply #34 on:** August 17, 2006, 06:23:40 AM »

Quote from: growthfactor on August 17, 2006, 04:16:58 AM

btw.. thats 5 plates a side...

I'm NOT impressed

i agree...his form looks tight and he doesn't bounce the weights off the floor but i really thought he would rep 495 like nothing for his strength.

those BB rows are also very odd...maybe they work for him?

Armageddon · « **Reply #35 on:** August 17, 2006, 08:19:30 AM »

I saw his bend over rows and it is like he is shrugging

sgt. d · « **Reply #36 on:** August 17, 2006, 09:20:43 AM »

Quote from: growthfactor on August 17, 2006, 04:15:53 AM

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look at him struggle with that deadlift...

Overload · « **Reply #37 on:** August 17, 2006, 09:25:07 AM »

Quote from: sgt. d on August 17, 2006, 09:20:43 AM

Much better...

chris_mason · « **Reply #38 on:** August 17, 2006, 10:02:49 AM »

For those who think straps don't make a big difference you aren't pulling anywhere close to 800 lbs.

Jr. Yates · « **Reply #39 on:** August 17, 2006, 11:27:29 AM »

They both are big, strong monsters with ridicolous traps.

brianX · « **Reply #40 on:** August 17, 2006, 06:58:44 PM »

Quote from: sgt. d on August 17, 2006, 09:20:43 AM

675 for 3 is a long way from 800.

sgt. d · « **Reply #41 on:** August 17, 2006, 08:24:51 PM »

Quote from: brianX on August 17, 2006, 06:58:44 PM

675 for 3 is a long way from 800.

Yes it is but on that vid he already did many sets of 5

squatz · « **Reply #42 on:** August 17, 2006, 08:55:15 PM »

Quote from: chris_mason on August 17, 2006, 10:02:49 AM

For those who think straps don't make a big difference you aren't pulling anywhere close to 800 lbs.

Right on brutha! I'm pulling in the 7's, not too far off from the 800 mark, and can tell you all this guy is right on. Straps make all the difference in the world when you're pulling this heavy.

growthfactor · « **Reply #43 on:** August 17, 2006, 10:53:48 PM »

Quote from: squatz on August 17, 2006, 08:55:15 PM

Right on brutha! I'm pulling in the 7's, not too far off from the 800 mark, and can tell you all this guy is right on. Straps make all the difference in the world when you're pulling this heavy.

do u compete.. it'd be cool to see a video... maybe u can post it on utube...

Hedgehog · « **Reply #44 on:** August 17, 2006, 11:21:14 PM »

Quote from: squatz on August 17, 2006, 08:55:15 PM

Right on brutha! I'm pulling in the 7's, not too far off from the 800 mark, and can tell you all this guy is right on. Straps make all the difference in the world when you're pulling this heavy.

Ronnie uses a weightlifting barbell, chalk, gloves, and straps.

The point in using a weightlifting barbell is that it flexes a bit more and that it's 28 mm thick instead of 29 mm, ie easier to hold onto.

YIP
Zack

hangclean · « **Reply #45 on:** August 17, 2006, 11:30:13 PM »

Quote from: Hedgehog on August 17, 2006, 12:43:07 AM

You never know. The guy seems to have some serious issues with his grip.

And I'm sure he wouldn't pull 925 lbs. Perhaps with the circus barbell they use in the WPO (Oakie bar). But not with a regular barbell.

The squat however, I think he would be good for a 1000 lbs squat, in an untested federation.

YIP
Zack

If you look at that picture of Ronnie in the beginning of the thread you can see he's actually using an Oakie bar.

240 is Back · « **Reply #46 on:** August 17, 2006, 11:32:01 PM »

Quote from: hangclean on August 17, 2006, 11:30:13 PM

If you look at that picture of Ronnie in the beginning of the thread you can see he's actually using an Oakie bar.

Oakie Dokie.

hangclean · « **Reply #47 on:** August 17, 2006, 11:38:50 PM »

Quote from: 240 is Back on August 17, 2006, 11:32:01 PM

Oakie Dokie.

Its amazing how much easier it is to deadlift with those things.

Hedgehog · « **Reply #48 on:** August 17, 2006, 11:45:07 PM »

Quote from: hangclean on August 17, 2006, 11:30:13 PM

If you look at that picture of Ronnie in the beginning of the thread you can see he's actually using an Oakie bar.

Me = PWNED...

YIP
Zack

Ex Coelis · « **Reply #49 on:** August 20, 2006, 07:50:32 PM »

Johnnie O's deadlifting strength is well documented. Hell, the pictures of his personal record have been published so many times its a wonder you havent run across them (their in this month's flex-mag too)

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