Shawn Ray 94 on youtube

[Hulkster]

yes, i prefer dorian and the judges did as well. 

the first picture you posted of yates is one of his best.  i'm suprised you actually showed a good pic of him for once. 

hulkster, one question:

are you black?

no I am not black.

[Hulkster]

the first picture you posted of yates is one of his best.  i'm suprised you actually showed a good pic of him for once. 

no it isn't - its from 1994 - smooth quads, wide waist, poor taper..

[Hulkster]

funny, how whenever dorian is involved in a contest and wins, its always the judges were wrong. 

but with coleman, the judges are always right

thats because Yates won based on his size, not necessarily overall quality (except for the lower back and abs):




Ronnie won because he was big AND had excellent shape and detail in major bodyparts, like arms, quads and chest.

Ronnie had the quality of a flex wheeler or shawn ray, but with the size and lat width of dorian..




the differences are obviou between Ronnie, Flex (with great shape and quality) and then there is Dorian, who won mainly based on his overwhelming size..

[buffbodz]

wanna see a really gay seeming posing routine- none other than Batman Baker

He makes no attempt to hide that gut either.

[Joey Tito]

Is Shawn Ray still around the BB scene?

[Bast000]

no I am not black.

sure you're not.

[Hulkster]

sure you're not.

LOL

I am not black (not that there is anything wrong with that!)

I am a Canadian Caucasian

[~salmon~]

Is Shawn Ray still around the BB scene?

Better to keep your mouth shut and be presumed an idiot, than to open it and remove all doubt.

[IceCold]

thats because Yates won based on his size, not necessarily overall quality (except for the lower back and abs):




Ronnie won because he was big AND had excellent shape and detail in major bodyparts, like arms, quads and chest.

Ronnie had the quality of a flex wheeler or shawn ray, but with the size and lat width of dorian..




the differences are obviou between Ronnie, Flex (with great shape and quality) and then there is Dorian, who won mainly based on his overwhelming size..

what about nasser, paul, fux, and kevin's size.  yates wasnt overwhelming them in size, but won on conditioning.  if great shape and quality were the most important things then melvin anthony and darrem charles would be mr. olympia.  yates won bc he presented the best package, from all angles.  you act like her barely won, like most of ronnie's wins against much, much lesser competition. 

[pobrecito]

positively yes.

Ronnie had a better back than Jay in 2001. Better arms. Better chest. Better taper. Hence a debatable contest.

Dorian had...wider lats than Shawn in 1994. and more size. That's it. not much to go on is there?

The only thing Ronnie had on Jay in 2001 was back. And that's it. Jay had better everything else AND THE JUDGES AGREED...that was until the power's that be decided that Coleman was going to win despite losing the contest (prejudging).

[pobrecito]

and in the same light, 2001 was very , very different from 1994.

-In 1994, Dorian DID NOT lose any rounds to Shawn Ray
-In 2001, Ronnie was outmuscled by Jay Cutler and had worse symmetry PLUS a monster gut
-In 1994, Dorian made Shawn Ray look like a little child

[sgt. d]

and in the same light, 2001 was very , very different from 1994.

-In 1994, Dorian DID NOT lose any rounds to Shawn Ray
-In 2001, Ronnie was outmuscled by Jay Cutler and had worse symmetry PLUS a monster gut
-In 1994, Dorian made Shawn Ray look like a little child

^You are just joking with this statement, right?

[NarcissisticDeity]

Whata ironic is he says how much of a travisty it was that Shawn lost in 1994 , when in fact he was BEHIND Levrone going into the nightshow ,and he only edged out Kev in the posing rounds and when he placed ahead of Levrone it was meet with thunderous boos

this is a fact plain & simple , Dorian Yates was NEVER in danger of losing to Shawn Ray in 1994 ! it wasn't even close not on paper and not in reality.


Hulkster you'd have something to work with if it was close on points , like Coleman/Flex 98 Coleman/Cutler 01 or Coleman/Levrone 02 but you have nothing ( except bias )

[pobrecito]

Whata ironic is he says how much of a travisty it was that Shawn lost in 1994 , when in fact he was BEHIND Levrone going into the nightshow ,and he only edged out Kev in the posing rounds and when he placed ahead of Levrone it was meet with thunderous boos

this is a fact plain & simple , Dorian Yates was NEVER in danger of losing to Shawn Ray in 1994 ! it wasn't even close not on paper and not in reality.


Hulkster you'd have something to work with if it was close on points , like Coleman/Flex 98 Coleman/Cutler 01 or Coleman/Levrone 02 but you have nothing ( except bias )

not to mention there was thunderous applaus when Dorian won the crown again

[sgt. d]

not to mention there was thunderous applaus when Dorian won the crown again

Hi NarcissisticDeity

[IceCold]

hard to believe how delusion hulkster really is. 

he thinks yates is the same caliber of kamali and ken jones.  refuses to acknowledge just how good dorian was.  it can be bad judging for dorian, but not for coleman despite what the score sheets say or even the audience in attendance. 

acts like dorian was 400 lbs on stage and just won bc he was so much bigger than everyone else. 

continually posts 'bad' pictures of dorian, and if its a good picture, makes ridiculous comments on taper or how something is soft.  but bad pics of coleman dont exist, at least according to him.  then he'll post another pic of dorian from 1990 or one with a bad angel or him relaxing in the lineup.

on another note, hulkster, do you know what dorian went through for some of his olympias?  from his injuries, he didnt even really train the last 8 weeks before a show, when most guys do the most work 2 months out.  that happened in 94 and 97 and he still dominated. 

[willie mosconi]

Whata ironic is he says how much of a travisty it was that Shawn lost in 1994 , when in fact he was BEHIND Levrone going into the nightshow ,and he only edged out Kev in the posing rounds and when he placed ahead of Levrone it was meet with thunderous boos

this is a fact plain & simple , Dorian Yates was NEVER in danger of losing to Shawn Ray in 1994 ! it wasn't even close not on paper and not in reality.


Hulkster you'd have something to work with if it was close on points , like Coleman/Flex 98 Coleman/Cutler 01 or Coleman/Levrone 02 but you have nothing ( except bias )

this means nothing if you are truly objective. judges can say one thing, but the naked eye of an unbiased observer sees another- that ray was clearly the best, levrone second, and yates at best third

[NarcissisticDeity]

this means nothing if you are truly objective. judges can say one thing, but the naked eye of an unbiased observer sees another- that ray was clearly the best, levrone second, and yates at best third

So you're claiming the judges are biased? and not objective? do you presume to know more than the judges? and their opinion mean everything because in the end they pick who is the best.

whats ironic is Ray said he got the place he deserved so while you may have personally like the package Ray presented better than Yates its nothing more than your opinion .

[Hulkster]

do you presume to know more than the judges?

its not about "knowing" than the judges.

Its about objectively judging muscular qualities such as shape, vascularity, detail and quality, something that Dorian was far trailing behind shawn in 1994.

Use your eyes man and watch the clips and look at the pics.

[Hulkster]

he thinks yates is the same caliber of kamali and ken jones.  refuses to acknowledge just how good dorian was.

no, I call them as I see them - yates had unimpressive taper, overall detail (except for lower back and abs), arms, chest and quads.

put all that together and you get THIS:







smooth arms, smooth quads. not very impresive for a 6 time Mr. O.


its not delusion. Its called speaking the truth.

It takes more than a great lower back and abs to impress me.

It takes great arms, quads delts chest and detail too.








sorry, but shawn, ronnie and flex at thier best have a lot better shape, detail and overall quality than dorian did in my opinion. Just look at these shots. 

Dorian was lacking in huge areas (chest, arms, quads, delts, taper etc) in comparison.

[willie mosconi]

So you're claiming the judges are biased? and not objective? do you presume to know more than the judges? and their opinion mean everything because in the end they pick who is the best.

whats ironic is Ray said he got the place he deserved so while you may have personally like the package Ray presented better than Yates its nothing more than your opinion .

i really wish this dick knob would delete his account or just post pictures without comment. you and also hulkster (by encouraging your mindless responses) are ruining nearly every thread. go back to that stupid ass 350 page thread about dorian and ronnie

[NarcissisticDeity]

its not about "knowing" than the judges.

Its about objectively judging muscular qualities such as shape, vascularity, detail and quality, something that Dorian was far trailing behind shawn in 1994.

Use your eyes man and watch the clips and look at the pics.

Again this statement presumes to know for than the judges who were there , live and in person , this is why you're an internet-fan and you look at a few scans and compressed video and claim to know lol

[IceCold]

hulkster still claiming he's not black.   

[Hulkster]

Again this statement presumes to know for than the judges who were there , live and in person , this is why you're an internet-fan and you look at a few scans and compressed video and claim to know lol

if the shape and detail are not evident in video and in pics in some competitors but are in others, you can be that they are not there in those who do not show it..

you don't have to be sitting in front of dorian to see that his arms and quads do not have the shape and detail of a Ronnie coleman or a Flex Wheeler..

 

[Hulkster]

hulkster still claiming he's not black.   

does that mean that you think that the scores of people who think that dorian should have lost in 1994 or that Ronnie is better than Dorian are also black?

you are an idiot.