gh15 is a clown and his ' facts ' are full of holes
He finally broke down and revealed the source for all of his secret information , his source his a friend of the faimly of Dr John Ziegler lol this is how he is privey to such classified information thats never been seen anywhere else in the past 50+ years.
In his first post on the topic he claims Reeves could be considered ' natural ' because he just experimented with testosterone and his use was nothing to write home about , neither were the ammounts and duration . then a few posts later he claims Reeves used testosterone , pre-testosterone tablets , a few posts later he claims Reeves used insulin as well and then finally he used DNP as well . Now how can someone on a cocktail like this ever be considered natural? thats an oxymoron.
I claimed its NOT impossible for a bodybuilder with among the best genetics the sport has seen to build just 215lbs of muscle at 6'1" and his response was that NO bodybuilder reaches his full potential without the aids of drugs period, this directly contradicts his claim that Reeves took so little that he could be considered ' natural ' well which is it? either he built 215lbs ' naturally ' or they could ONLY be built with drugs period?
He claims Reeves was using next to nothing in durring his competitive years and he was more of a heavy user after he retired and was making movies , backwards logic to say the least , especially considering Reeves was 215lbs durring his competitive hey-day and when shooting movies the directors & producers insisted he lose weight because he would litteraly dwarf his co-stars , Reeves was down to 187lbs for most of his movies , so like his other claims this is a direct contradiction
He claims Dr John Ziegler was the one who handpicked Reeves to begining testing testosterone on , along with Joe Weider . he claimed Ziegler was a doctor in the 1930 and 40s and he had acsess to all sorts of drugs and Reeves took them throughout the 40s and 50s , he also claimed Ziegler worked for Ciba in the 1940s .
Ziegler was NOT a doctor in the 1930s he finished college in 1942 and then went off to the Marine Corp and served in World War II after being shot durring the war , he used weights to rehibilitate and came intrested in weightlifting and after the war he went to medical school and became a doctor like his previous generations which could be traced back to the American Civil War
He claims Ziegler worked with with Reeves all through the 1940s , this would mean he was working with Steve when he was 14 in 1940 , 15 in 1941 , 16 in 1942 etc . somehow he was ' working ' with a 14 year Reeves despite not being a medical doctor until years after the war
He claims Ziegler was using testoserone on Reeves in the 1940s . Yet Ziegler was clueless about testosterone use in atheletes durring the 1940s in fact Ziegler who is also called the " Father of Steroids " didn't learn about it until the 1954 World Championships in Vienna Austria , this is where all the Russian weighlifters were breaking world records left & right , intrigued Ziegler got the coach of the Russian drunk on Vodka and while drunk he confessed they were using testosterone
Upon learning this Ziegler returned to the United States and started to recearch testosterone with Ciba suppling what information they had from the Germans , who isolated testosterone in the 1930s and later synthesized it and supposedly were giving it to soliders durring the war ( but this has never been proven ) after the Russians took over they used the Nazi's information and started using testosterone on their athletes .
In 1954 Dr John Ziegler started testing testosterone on HIMSELF and a select few with
NO RESULTS ! he kept working on it and finally in 1958 the first anabolic steroid was created methandrostenolone better known as Dianabol . the first weightlifter/bodybuilder he worked with was Bill March , this is well documented and what ironic is at first neither knew how effective they were until much trial and error
March did see gains in strenght and some noticable size however he & Ziegler didn't know it was directly because of the d-bol , March attributed his found strenght to hypnosis and isometrics , after many months it became evident that it was the pills responsible for his strenght and probably the injuries he started getting, March felt euphoric when on and a tad down when off , after a while it was clear just how effective dianabol was and the rest they say is history.
Now a lot of his information is outright lies and contradictory from one post to the next , he made a bold claim and didn't back it up with any evidence , his source for information is ' a friend of the faimly '
he didn't research is own bullshit claims to at least appear to know what he's talking about , couple this with the fact that Steve Reeves flat out denies ever using steroids or even hearing about the until the mid-1960s and condemned thier use in bodybuilding ist easy it see gh15 is a jackass liar
Now people say why am I so passionate about this topic , I'm NOT knew to bodybuilding and aren't so naive to think everyone is natural , I've read countless books on bodybuilding from Bill Pearl , Steve Reeves up to Dorian Yates and everyone inbetween , I know that in order to build a winning physique it takes hard work , diet and drugs
However there was a time in bodybuilding when it was a health orientated endevor and steroids didn't make their way into bodybuilding and this was Steve Reeves age , if you read anything about the man you'll soon understand he was a man of intelligence , honesty and integrity and he also sereved in the armed services durring World War II , he is a bodybuilding legend so to come on here an matter-of-factly called the man a liar and a multi-drug user is a disservice to a great man and a great bodybuilder
Quick recap - The use of testosterone in the United States didn't start until 1954 and the use of anabolic steroids didn't start until 1958 , thats a full four years after Reeves retired and eight respectivly
The first weightlifter/bodybuilder to starting using under supervison of Zeigler is Bill March .
Now who are we going to believe gh15 or Steve Reeves? lol
