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[Chick]

You are one funny guy.  You guys come on here and constantly try to put down the PDI and Wayne.  Very laughable coming from guys like you.   Issac this will answer your question and "own" you like they say on here.  First off the PDI and NOC is talked about on the internet more than the Olympia.  That is a fact (at least this year).  The Olympia is dying and with it so will your future along with Kevins.  Unless he (Kevin) has allot of money left from his porn site.
And I understand Kevin why you have so much loyalty to the IFBB and McCough.  Hell , how many times has he bailed you out of jail.  I'd kiss his ass too.  Good job.

Now for the question.  If you lived in New York you would see ads in the Village Voice.  A local newspaper or something in New York that allot of people read.  Another mag is some fag mag in New York that has a weekly diistribution of 75,000+ per week.  FLEX magazine has 105,000 per month.  Why do you think the NOC is not being talked about in other places.  What do you own stock in the INternet or something.  The NOC is being promoted more than any show in the country.  Thats a fact.  Magazines, radio shows, internet boards, major publications and local media is promoting the shot out of it.  I think you will support this since you have the inside "ear" for this.  Gays like the BB's.  The publications Wayne has ads in have a total local subscription of 350,000.  Lets just say 1% of those are serious gays that love BB's (you can tell me if I am wrong). That equates to 3,500 people.  Now that is more than the place holds where the NOC is being put on.  If just 1/10 of 1% go that is still 350 gay guys.  Even you would have hard time watchingthe show.

How many gyms were promoting the NY Pro.  None you say.  Wow, there are 20 gyms in New York promoting the NOC and selling tickets.  Wow!  How many tickets did the NY Pro sell through ticketmaster less than 10 you say.  Wow!  How many tickets have sold for the Olympia (the biggest IFBB show in the world) so far through Ticketmaster, 351 you say! Wow!  Other than the people on the Internet boards and who listens to the radio show how many people that actually go to shows know that Vince Taylor is not doing the NOC or Vinny Galanti.  Wow!

SO, you and your 2 or 3 supporters you really need to just stick to what you do, whatever it is. You are trying to put down the biggest BB show promoter there ever was.  Do you honestly think he would waste so much time and effort promoting the NOC if he had that few tickets sold.  Get your head out of your ass.  You guys are looking dumber each time.  In addition, do you not think Wayne has one hell of a mailing list after many many years promoting shows around the world.  Really get a life.  You are supporting a piece of shit organization and you guys a blurred by it.

Are you kidding, Keith??

If we take your word for it (and the rest of the PDIlites)...Wayne did NOTHING on his own, he had to answer to Ben Weider, remember?

That being the case...what credit do we give Wayne? If were to blame all the wrong doings, fines, suspensions, etc on Ben...then we have to also GIVE credit due to him, as he was ultimately in charge.

If we look at recent history, it also supports this...

The Orlando Pro was orchestrated under Wayne, as he was just finishing up business he started, but was already out of power...No sanction fee collected, No prize money collected, show and expo was a complete failure...

The last NOC was all under Wayne as well as he was prepping for his "takeover" with the "Pro div"...a total disgrace...child porn acts, the crowd booing the acts off the stage, etc, etc...

The Chicago EXPO last year had tumbleweed blowing through it, as next to nobody showed up and a smattering of booths...a HUGE financial loss.

The PDI so far...2 failed attempts to get it started, 2 canceled "pro" qualifiers, 2 athletes already dropping out, sketchy details of health ins. which turned out to be a mental hospital, no major sponsors named as of yet, promoters that are listed, yet have nothing to do with the show....

Maybe it's time to re-think your position, bigboy....

[240 is Back]

Are you kidding, Keith??

If we take your word for it (and the rest of the PDIlites)...Wayne did NOTHING on his own, he had to answer to Ben Weider, remember?

That being the case...what credit do we give Wayne? If were to blame all the wrong doings, fines, suspensions, etc on Ben...then we have to also GIVE credit due to him, as he was ultimately in charge.

If we look at recent history, it also supports this...

The Orlando Pro was orchestrated under Wayne, as he was just finishing up business he started, but was already out of power...No sanction fee collected, No prize money collected, show and expo was a complete failure...

The last NOC was all under Wayne as well as he was prepping for his "takeover" with the "Pro div"...a total disgrace...child porn acts, the crowd booing the acts off the stage, etc, etc...

The Chicago EXPO last year had tumbleweed blowing through it, as next to nobody showed up and a smattering of booths...a HUGE financial loss.

The PDI so far...2 failed attempts to get it started, 2 canceled "pro" qualifiers, 2 athletes already dropping out, sketchy details of health ins. which turned out to be a mental hospital, no major sponsors named as of yet, promoters that are listed, yet have nothing to do with the show....

Maybe it's time to re-think your position, bigboy....

hahahaha

Dude, remember the time you told that really funny joke?

It was something like "I have nothing bad to say about Wayne or the PDI"

Man, you had us believing you for a minute, homie.

[Chick]

Everything listed are FACTS, Jack...

[240 is Back]

Everything listed are FACTS, Jack...

Of course they are.  However, only a person who either:

1) wished ill will upon Wayne and the PDI, or
2) felt super-duper insecure because of some other *cough* shortcoming,

...would present it in such a manner.

[Chick]

Presented it it WHAT type of manner?

It's presented as factual...I don't bring anything personal into it...I don't call Wayne names.

So , it's the TRUTH you have a problem with? When it doesn't fit in to your little Rainbow coalition of BB, you have to conjure up reasons of "WHY" it was presented...

How about, it was presented because it's the truth? Should the very athletes YOU believe could benefit from the PDI, NOT know what they might be getting themselves into?

[240 is Back]

Presented it it WHAT type of manner?

Oh, like a prick.  you speak to people like you think you're better than them.

You say things like:
Maybe it's time to re-think your position, bigboy....

I mean, is it Keith's fault he was bit by a spider and has had a myriad of health problems which have led to him being a, as you so eloquently put it, "bigboy"?

Sounds like you're more upset about the position that someone has put you in, and you're taking it out on others.  you know what I'm talking about, Robert.  Relax, and stop picking at scabs that people cannot help.

[Chick]

Nice deflection...as usual.

Try sticking to the subject...or commenting on my post.

How about answering the question...I thought you were supposed to be looking out for the best interests of the ATHLETES...?

Do you think by keeping the athletes in the dark, you are doing them a service, 240?


BTW...who brought up Keith being bit by a spider? Keith has been a "bigboy" long before his unfortunate bite...he's always been a big SOB, didn't know that was a bad thing.

[240 is Back]

Nice deflection...as usual.
Try sticking to the subject...or commenting on my post.
How about answering the question...I thought you were supposed to be looking out for the best interests of the ATHLETES...?
Do you think by keeping the athletes in the dark, you are doing them a service, 240?

I think that if the athletes had the ability to compete in either federation, they would have the most opportunities to earn money.

Period.  End of story.  It's that simple. 

The job of athletes rep is to try to facilitate that freedom.
The job of an IFBB rep is to put down rival federations.

Now, which job description do you think applies to you more?

[Chick]

Didn't expect you to find your balls and answer to the questions asked....

The job of the athletes rep...BTW, is to facilitate the OPINIONS of the IFBB athletes as a whole, and compile that info in form of proposals to be considered by the Blue Blazers.

Given the facts I stated, I don't believe it to be in the best interests of the IFBB athletes to go and compete for Wayne and the PDI (even if they could)...the only track record so far, is a bad one.

Maybe in time that will change...

[240 is Back]

Didn't expect you to find your balls and answer to the questions asked....

School on Saturday.

The job of the athletes rep...BTW, is to facilitate the OPINIONS of the IFBB athletes as a whole, and compile that info in form of proposals to be considered by the Blue Blazers.

And you don't think that the athletes want to earn more money?  If they can compete anywhere, they can earn more money.  It's that simple.

Given the facts I stated, I don't believe it to be in the best interests of the IFBB athletes to go and compete for Wayne and the PDI (even if they could)...the only track record so far, is a bad one.

So it is your personal opinion that:

1) Wayne putting up $30k in prize money, on a weekend where there are no IFBB shows and most of the guys will bein shape from the fall grand prix or the O prep,

2) Despite this- It's better for these men to sit at home on Sept 16th and watch TV than get off their couches and do a show that has $30k up for grabs?


Bob, I would think the majority of athletes - esprcially those who will be in shape already and live in the NY area - would like to have the option of doing the NOC.  For you to "decide for them" reeks of arrogance.  If your reasoning made sense, I could see your convictions here. 

But for guys in NY who are doing the fall shows, your advice not to do the NOC is bad advice.  Period.  And I don't think you'd find one person who would say that an in-shape IFBB guy living in NYC would make more $ sitting on getbig on the 16th than taking a cab down to the NOC and knocking out some prize money.

[Chick]

School on Saturday.

And you don't think that the athletes want to earn more money?  If they can compete anywhere, they can earn more money.  It's that simple.

So it is your personal opinion that:

1) Wayne putting up $30k in prize money, on a weekend where there are no IFBB shows and most of the guys will bein shape from the fall grand prix or the O prep,

2) Despite this- It's better for these men to sit at home on Sept 16th and watch TV than get off their couches and do a show that has $30k up for grabs?


Bob, I would think the majority of athletes - esprcially those who will be in shape already and live in the NY area - would like to have the option of doing the NOC.  For you to "decide for them" reeks of arrogance.  If your reasoning made sense, I could see your convictions here. 

But for guys in NY who are doing the fall shows, your advice not to do the NOC is bad advice.  Period.  And I don't think you'd find one person who would say that an in-shape IFBB guy living in NYC would make more $ sitting on getbig on the 16th than taking a cab down to the NOC and knocking out some prize money.

1.) There is no guarantee the $30K actually finds itself to the athletes pockets...

2.) $30,000 is NOT up for grabs...it's $30K PURSE. It's $15K for first, etc, etc...

Your first three words in your next paragraph say it all..."I would think"...Of course thats what YOU think...you don't talk to the athletes, you're not a pro athlete, you have nothing to do with Pro BB...If you did (as I do)..you would know and realize that no one other than Lee is interested.

The IFBB pros are not interested in: competing with amateurs...competing for Wayne...getting suspended to compete for a federation with a bad track record...want to participate in a show that's run like the last NOC...etc, etc, etc.

BTW...I don't have to "decide for them"...they have spoken loud and clear. THEY"RE NOT INTERESTED.

[240 is Back]

1.) There is no guarantee the $30K actually finds itself to the athletes pockets...

Ask the guys who bought tickets for that IFBB Canadian show that got cancelled about 'guarantees'.  Nothing is life is guaranteed.

2.) $30,000 is NOT up for grabs...it's $30K PURSE. It's $15K for first, etc, etc...

As with any other show, this is obvious, Bob.   A $30k purse is up for grabs. 

Your first three words in your next paragraph say it all..."I would think"...Of course thats what YOU think...you don't talk to the athletes, you're not a pro athlete, you have nothing to do with Pro BB...If you did (as I do)..you would know and realize that no one other than Lee is interested.

The IFBB pros are not interested in: competing with amateurs...competing for Wayne...getting suspended to compete for a federation with a bad track record...want to participate in a show that's run like the last NOC...etc, etc, etc.

BTW...I don't have to "decide for them"...they have spoken loud and clear. THEY"RE NOT INTERESTED.

You're a man in power, and you're making huge assumptions.  If you don't see the idiocy in a person in power making assumptions, well...

[Chick]

I don't have to ask the guys from the Canadian show...I can ask the guys from the Orlando show...Incidental, Wayne was in charge of both. One simple proposal to Jim Manion, asking the IFBB to guarantee the purse was accepted on the first try. Amazing...

I'm not making assumptions...YOU ARE.

I talk to IFBB pro's every week...we travel together, train together, work shows together...we TALK. These are the opinions of the pro's, and believe me..I've talked to MANY.

You, on the other hand, are the KING of assumptions...when you have absolutely no causal connection to anyone even remotely a pro. You live on the internet, in your little cubby-hole...THINKING you have the "pulse of the people" for some reason...you don't.

Ever consider that maybe, the reasons I listed are more than enough to dissuade IFBB pro's from even considering it? Naaaaahhhhhhhh..couldn't be.

[240 is Back]

I don't have to ask the guys from the Canadian show...I can ask the guys from the Orlando show...Incidental, Wayne was in charge of both.

Wayne was in charge of this year's cancelled IFBB show that was supposed to be held in canada?  I thought it was winston?

[240 is Back]

You, on the other hand, are the KING of assumptions...when you have absolutely no causal connection to anyone even remotely a pro. You live on the internet, in your little cubby-hole...THINKING you have the "pulse of the people" for some reason...you don't.

Bob, sometimes people will tell me things that they want out, but they don't want connected to them.  They will also use me for a form of informal poll, as they know if they come to you with it, they'll be added to your little tattletale list for Manion.  I'm sorry, but it's true.  They see you as a powerless puppet who can't wait to tattle on them for not showing loyalty. 

[Chick]

wrong Canadian show...I was referring to the Nimrod King show,where he failed to pay anyone and skipped town...5-6 years ago

[240 is Back]

They see me as an annoying prick, but an annoying prick who can help information move around in a safe manner.  I mean, you sit on the boards and openly bash people, question the integrity of anyone with whom you disagree, and base many assumptions on emotion, not fact.  eg: Bob Gruskin.

I'm an annoying kid who lives in my bedroom, but they know I can share what I know and keep every name out of it.  Can they count on you for that??

[Chick]

Bob, sometimes people will tell me things that they want out, but they don't want connected to them.  They will also use me for a form of informal poll, as they know if they come to you with it, they'll be added to your little tattletale list for Manion.  I'm sorry, but it's true.  They see you as a powerless puppet who can't wait to tattle on them for not showing loyalty. 

Bullshit...

What "tattletale list" lololol....WOW, you REALLY don't know what goes on, do you?

Yeah, thats it....IFBB pro's confide in an internet troll that has NOTHING to do with anything...lolololol

BTW...you can't get in trouble for voicing an opinion, as Lee and Shawn, and Myself have shown countless times.

You're quite delusional, aren't you 240? What a fantasland you've constructed for yourself....


Gruskin is not looked upon with any type of respect or integrity in the biz, 240...if you knew anything about thee histiory of BB prior to 2002...you would know that Gruskin was one of the main reasons the NPC was formed....Manion and crew wanted to GET AWAY from him and the rest of the AAU weirdos.

Please.....

[240 is Back]

You're quite delusional, aren't you 240? What a fantasland you've constructed for yourself....

You're still upset about that Don Long scoop, I understand...

[Chick]

You're still upset about that Don Long scoop, I understand...

What "scoop" is that? Is he still "coming back" 240?

[Chick]

In case you missed it...

Gruskin is not looked upon with any type of respect or integrity in the biz, 240...if you knew anything about thee histiory of BB prior to 2002...you would know that Gruskin was one of the main reasons the NPC was formed....Manion and crew wanted to GET AWAY from him and the rest of the AAU weirdos.

Please.....

[MikeThaMachine]

We should rename this thread 240 vs. Chick part MCMXXIV

[Santa Claus]

These threads are always great entertainment. I get this picture in my head when I see the posts, 240 and chick sitting at a table opposite each other, Bob is standing up, yelling, and has a nice red colour in his face, while 240 is sitting casually with a coke in his hand, closing his eyes, and feeling the sea breeze coming from Bob's mouth. Bob is never going to get anybody's respect by being so aggressive, unproffesional and juvenile as he is on this board. No wonder the athletes never show up at his meetings. Give his position to Lee, as people can count on him not being a suckup to the suits. Bob's inferiority complex and subsequent thirst for power, not to mention his elitist tendencies, are painfully evident.

[onlyme]

Are you kidding, Keith??

If we take your word for it (and the rest of the PDIlites)...Wayne did NOTHING on his own, he had to answer to Ben Weider, remember?

That being the case...what credit do we give Wayne? If were to blame all the wrong doings, fines, suspensions, etc on Ben...then we have to also GIVE credit due to him, as he was ultimately in charge.

If we look at recent history, it also supports this...

The Orlando Pro was orchestrated under Wayne, as he was just finishing up business he started, but was already out of power...No sanction fee collected, No prize money collected, show and expo was a complete failure...

The last NOC was all under Wayne as well as he was prepping for his "takeover" with the "Pro div"...a total disgrace...child porn acts, the crowd booing the acts off the stage, etc, etc...

The Chicago EXPO last year had tumbleweed blowing through it, as next to nobody showed up and a smattering of booths...a HUGE financial loss.

The PDI so far...2 failed attempts to get it started, 2 canceled "pro" qualifiers, 2 athletes already dropping out, sketchy details of health ins. which turned out to be a mental hospital, no major sponsors named as of yet, promoters that are listed, yet have nothing to do with the show....

Maybe it's time to re-think your position, bigboy....

Well all that but nothing to disagree with the fact Wayne is the biggest and most prominent BB promoter in the world.  OUt of how many shows has he put on a handfull went bad.  Not bad odds to me.  Promoters fuck up all the time.  And the Weiders did nothing to support the Olympia.  There were no deals given or assistance.  Ads were paid for and deposits made by Wayne.  The fact is the best show in BB was the Olympia when Wayne ran it.  You know that for a fact.  So far every year AMI has had it it has been shitty.  Everyone on here that went concurs.  In fact you should be pissed at the IFBB for requiring such a high sanction fee and allowing Manion to have such a high expense bill for one week in Vegas.  That money could have easily been used for prize money.

And allthe good that Wayne did at the Olympia who got the credit, your uncle Ben.  He is the guy who stands up and gets all the glory.  Yet when something happens he hides behind Wayne.  That too is a fact.  If you are going to come on here and show your loyalty to the IFBB then at least have some diginity and admit when you are wrong and that the IFBB sucks and you are just along for the ride. 

And so what about the PDI cancelling shows.  The IFBB has been around for 50 years and they aren't even close to getting there shit right.  They are still canceling shows after all this time.  First the Toronto Pro, then what happened to the Fresno show Flex Wheeler was helping to promote.  What happened to that show. The Hungarian Pro was moved to Romania.  Don't you think the company you love so much and the boys you work for after 50 years in the business would have their shit together by now.  My god what kind of morons do you work for.  Say all the shit about Wayne you want but your bosses and the company you are so loyal to are the worst in the business.  And thats a fact.

[onlyme]

I also want to say sorry to Kevin about the remark about the porn site.  Shouldn;t have come up. Sorry dude.  I took it out of my post.