orals are only good for one thing, which is jump starting a cycle.
They work good quickly, but you will never retain much of anything from them.
Dbol puts on some real quick size , but it is mostly water weight.
Drol (if itis anadrol), has never done much of anything for me as far as muscle growth.
I have read it does a very good job of increasing red cell blood count , which is good between cycles.
But I have taken both of them in my early days of cycling, and I would always loose the gains quickly after taking them.
I never really got very good permenant gains until I starting doing almost all my cycles with stacking at least 2 injectables, and yes I always include test as the base of my cycles!
And I always make sure the test is the highest dosage.
For example, right now I am on super test 450 @ 900 mgs a week and deca 200mg @ 300 mg a week.
I am also taking T-3 @ 50 mcg a day.
This has been one of the best cycles I have ever done as far as the fat loss and muscle gain I have ever done.
I am falling in love with T-3! This is my first time taking it, and I think if you are trying to loose weight T-3 is a great idea as long as you are juicing.
I have heard if you take it w/o juice it will burn muscle along w/ the fat.
Which is not good.
Boy, AM I going off topic here.
So I will stop ranting!