Author Topic: Who are the most overrated/underrated pros ever? (Read 8713 times)

RJB · « **on:** August 24, 2006, 07:41:47 PM »

Overrated: Dorian Yates (blocky, f-ed up looking skin, etc.)
Underrated: Lee Haney (Ronnie Coleman before Ronnie was, but better)

pobrecito · « **Reply #1 on:** August 24, 2006, 07:43:23 PM »

Charles Clairmonte (sp?) in my opinion was EXTREMELY underrated. His 1993O shape blew me away.

Haney never impressed me, much less than Yates did.

pumpster · « **Reply #2 on:** August 25, 2006, 12:21:13 AM »

Yates was definitely overrated.

Haney too-many are impressed by the sheer number of Olympias but like Yates he had serious balance issues.

Birdman · « **Reply #3 on:** August 25, 2006, 01:01:53 AM »

Overrated-Ture Adonis
Underrated-Vince Basile

benchmstr · « **Reply #4 on:** August 25, 2006, 01:04:40 AM »

overrated=JAY CUTLER.

Hedgehog · « **Reply #5 on:** August 25, 2006, 02:42:51 AM »

Underrated = Sergio Oliva, Danny Padilla, Marko Savolainen

YIP
Zack

fathead · « **Reply #6 on:** August 25, 2006, 02:53:11 AM »

Overrated......... GUNTER enough said

Underrated....Cormier

nzmusclemonster · « **Reply #7 on:** August 25, 2006, 03:05:47 AM »

Underated: Renel Janiver (1991), Andreas Munzer, Achim Albrecht, Chris Cormier

Overated: Lou Ferrigno!

rocket · « **Reply #8 on:** August 25, 2006, 03:36:05 AM »

Toney freeman if he doesn't get some attention in the next year

vinnyvee · « **Reply #9 on:** August 25, 2006, 04:05:37 AM »

Quote from: Matt C on August 25, 2006, 12:33:26 AM

Yates for sure. From the moment I first read about him in FLEX mags in 2001 I had no idea what the buzz was about this construction worker. Huge - yes. Shapely - not even close. He was maybe top six in terms of shape at any given show - maybe top six! How pathetic is that? Say what you will about Ronnie - he is always the biggest at his shows and top three in terms of conditioning and structure. Dorian was the biggest from the back, not even from the front, the hardest and best conditioned usually, but not even top material in terms of structure.

Underrated - Aaron Baker. Bertil Fox back in his day. Lee Labrada had no business beating Mike Christian at the 1987 Mr. Olympia.

You didnt even read or hear about him until 4 yrs after he reitired? Maybe top six? Get a fuckin clue Matt C

natural al · « **Reply #10 on:** August 25, 2006, 04:10:54 AM »

yates was not underrated. He came out of nowhere and dominated, he had a couple of bad years but for the most part he was the biggest, hardest guy who was extremely seperated, something we don't see anymore.

Under-rated: Ed Kawak, Ron Love, Phil Williams, Lance Dreher...I could go on and on.

gatrainer · « **Reply #11 on:** August 25, 2006, 04:25:22 AM »

unde : Aaron Baker
ove :Ferrigno

the shadow · « **Reply #12 on:** August 25, 2006, 05:53:36 AM »

overrated-gunter,darrem charles,dexter jackson,jay cutler,shawn ray and flex wheeler

underrated-jean pierre fux,paul dillet,markus ruhl,orville burke,ian harrison and mike matarazzo

Nordic Superman · « **Reply #13 on:** August 25, 2006, 06:11:08 AM »

Quote from: the shadow on August 25, 2006, 05:53:36 AM

underrated-jean pierre fux,paul dillet,markus ruhl,orville burke,ian harrison and mike matarazzo

So you think big fuckers with no balance or shape is what makes a good bodybuilder?

jaejonna · « **Reply #14 on:** August 25, 2006, 06:12:10 AM »

Underrated : Chris Cormier

Overrated : Dave Draper

Possibly Gay: Robby Robinson

Playboy · « **Reply #15 on:** August 25, 2006, 06:20:40 AM »

Overrated: Markus Ruhl
Underrated: Dexter Jackson

jaejonna · « **Reply #16 on:** August 25, 2006, 06:22:18 AM »

Overrated: Daddywaddy

Underrated: Alex Rykov

Definitely Not Natty: Bast

Nordic Beast · « **Reply #17 on:** August 25, 2006, 06:58:53 AM »

Quote from: Nordic Superman on August 25, 2006, 06:11:08 AM

So you think big fuckers with no balance or shape is what makes a good bodybuilder?

haha I was going to say the same thing----------------isnt it funny that 2 of the people in his underrated list have almost died (Burke and Matarazzo) and then there is Fux who was crushed in a flex photo shoot----------and we all know Ruhl and Dillet aint making it to see 60+yrs old

oh yeah and I like the name superman-------------------

PhoenixBuff · « **Reply #18 on:** August 25, 2006, 07:25:38 AM »

Quote from: benchmstr on August 25, 2006, 01:04:40 AM

overrated=JAY CUTLER.

Hmmmmm

2000 Mr. Olympia Rome, 2nd place;

2000 English Grand Prix, 2nd place;

2001 Mr. Olympia, 2nd place;

2002 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic, 1st place;

2003 IronMan Pro Invitational, 1st place;

2003 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic, 1st place;

2003 San Francisco Pro Invitational, 1st place;

2003 Mr. Olympia 2nd place;

2003 Russia Grand Prix, 2nd place;

2003 British Grand Prix, 1st place;

2003 Dutch Grand Prix, 1st place;

2003 GNC Show of Strength, 2nd place;

2004 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic, 1st place;

2004 Mr. Olympia 2nd place;

2005 Mr. Olympia 2nd place;

Yeah, he's overrated all right..................i diot!

HUGEPECS · « **Reply #19 on:** August 25, 2006, 07:29:58 AM »

Quote from: rocket on August 25, 2006, 03:36:05 AM

Toney freeman if he doesn't get some attention in the next year

Agreed, Toney gotta make some bigger noise by next year, cause I think for one reason, as a big man, he's gonna look better than other tall guys, i.e paul dillett or gunter

Grape Ape · « **Reply #20 on:** August 25, 2006, 07:34:22 AM »

Quote from: Matt C on August 25, 2006, 12:33:26 AM

Yates for sure. From the moment I first read about him in FLEX mags in 2001 I had no idea what the buzz was about this construction worker. Huge - yes. Shapely - not even close. He was maybe top six in terms of shape at any given show - maybe top six! How pathetic is that? Say what you will about Ronnie - he is always the biggest at his shows and top three in terms of conditioning and structure. Dorian was the biggest from the back, not even from the front, the hardest and best conditioned usually, but not even top material in terms of structure.

Underrated - Aaron Baker. Bertil Fox back in his day. Lee Labrada had no business beating Mike Christian at the 1987 Mr. Olympia.

There was a small artice on Yates in Musclemag in the early 90s, but, to most fans, he came out of nowhere when he made his NOC debut and took second. He decided to forego the O that year to come back and win the NOC the following year.

At the time, he blew people away. Haney wowed them with his mass and shape, but Yates changed the game. Haney tended to look soft right up until his last Mr. O, but Yates brought Haney style mass with Gaspari type hardness. Structural flaws? Sure, but Yates was one of the few pros who actually IMPROVED dramatically after his pro debut. The gains he made from pro year 1 to pro year 2 were unlike anything seen at the time.

Palpatine Q · « **Reply #21 on:** August 25, 2006, 07:36:07 AM »

Quote from: PhoenixBuff on August 25, 2006, 07:25:38 AM

Hmmmmm

2000 Mr. Olympia Rome, 2nd place;

2000 English Grand Prix, 2nd place;

2001 Mr. Olympia, 2nd place;

2002 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic, 1st place;

2003 IronMan Pro Invitational, 1st place;

2003 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic, 1st place;

2003 San Francisco Pro Invitational, 1st place;

2003 Mr. Olympia 2nd place;

2003 Russia Grand Prix, 2nd place;

2003 British Grand Prix, 1st place;

2003 Dutch Grand Prix, 1st place;

2003 GNC Show of Strength, 2nd place;

2004 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic, 1st place;

2004 Mr. Olympia 2nd place;

2005 Mr. Olympia 2nd place;

Yeah, he's overrated all right..................i diot!

Exactly cockface.

he should not be getting those high placings, therefore he is overrated.

Palpatine Q · « **Reply #22 on:** August 25, 2006, 07:41:06 AM »

Quote from: Matt C on August 25, 2006, 12:33:26 AM

Yates for sure. From the moment I first read about him in FLEX mags in 2001 I had no idea what the buzz was about this construction worker. Huge - yes. Shapely - not even close. He was maybe top six in terms of shape at any given show - maybe top six! How pathetic is that? Say what you will about Ronnie - he is always the biggest at his shows and top three in terms of conditioning and structure. Dorian was the biggest from the back, not even from the front, the hardest and best conditioned usually, but not even top material in terms of structure.

Underrated - Aaron Baker. Bertil Fox back in his day. Lee Labrada had no business beating Mike Christian at the 1987 Mr. Olympia.

I followed BBing when Yates came on the scene and that was what I thought too. The mags were going on about this new mass monster. His density, hardness blah blah....and all I could think was "he looks like shit, what's the big deal?"

natural al · « **Reply #23 on:** August 25, 2006, 07:46:03 AM »

Quote from: Groink on August 25, 2006, 07:36:07 AM

Exactly cockface.

he should not be getting those high placings, therefore he is overrated.

why don't you feel he should be getting those placings? Just curious.

pumpster · « **Reply #24 on:** August 25, 2006, 07:51:20 AM »

Quote

Yates' density, hardness blah blah....and all I could think was "he looks like shit, what's the big deal?"

hahahahahahh exactly.