Arnold's comments about todays pros in new Flex!

[alexxx]

Before making an opinion about Arnold, read the complete part where Arnold talks about this...

From Flex September 2006 issue...

Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger Editorial

Lately, I have heard talk from bodybuilders and others who think more monetary rewards should be available in the sport Joe created. I think it’s always good to strive for more, but I want to challenge them to do something about it. Maybe they should create these extra revenue streams by starting their own supplement line, publishing their own bodybuilding magazine or promoting their own pro contests, where they can offer more than the $700,000 plus that is available at the Olympia. If they have innovative ways to improve the bodybuilding economy, I say have at it.

One of President John Kennedy’s famous lines was, “Ask not what your country can do for you; ask what you can do for your country.” I would put a bodybuilding inflexion in there and say, “Ask not what bodybuilding can do for you; ask what you can do for bodybuilding.” You cannot stand and wait for the world to knock on your front door and offer you a living. Of course, everyone needs a little help, sometimes a little luck, but essentially your future is in your own hands.

When Joe brought me to the United States in 1968, he gave me the opportunity to improve myself physically and fiscally. He gave me a stipend that helped me move into a small apartment in Venice and buy a used Volkswagen. It wasn’t a fortune, but it was enough to get me on my own two feet. With a roof over my head, transportation and the ability to feed myself, I had all I needed as a foundation upon which I could build myself.

Soon after relocating, I enrolled in business school, I did bricklaying work with Franco Columbu, and I went about the business of finalizing my long-term plan for reaching all my goals one by one. With the security of knowing I had the basic tools for survival at my disposal, I was able to spread my wings and soar toward my loftiest goals.

Joe put me in that position. He believed in teaching you how to fish, rather than simply giving you a fish when you’re hungry. That way, you become more self-reliant. Joe gave me the opportunities, but it was up to me to work hard to maximize those opportunities. Neither Franco nor I ever saw Joe as a meal ticket. We saw him as a kind of dream maker. It was as if he laid out a treasure map but left it to us to decipher it by combining our ambition, talent and work ethic. And we did. Franco is now a successful chiropractor living in Los Angeles, and I’ve done pretty well for myself, as you probably know. Joe gave us the opportunity to better ourselves and we took it with both hands.

This is absolutely right! Bodybuilders expect Joe to come up with more and more money every year from what? What are bodybuilders doing to promote our sport? Getting pregnant is not the right exposure.

[alexxx]

All drugs - NO DIFFERENT THAN PROS TODAY.

And to the Arnie nuthuggers: shut the hell up about Arnold having confidence.  To own a 23 year old deaf and emotionally dependent child is the EXACT OPPOSITE of confidence.





Arnold at 210. 

WOOT WOOT!!!  WHAT A NON DRUG DEPENDENT BEAST!!!!! 

Explain yourself! Arnold looks better here than any other gym member. What the hell are you talking about the child thing??

[pumpster]

In the end does it matter? He did more for bodybuilding than any other competitor.

Such a simplistic generalization, from someone who i'm quite sure wasn't there back in the day. You act like he was an altruist doing it all for BB when in fact it was for himself.

Take a break, get off your knees and stop worshiping him for a change.

[w8tlftr]

hahaha!!  Shawn Ray and Lee Priest come to mind.  Yeah, let's bump up the prize money and pay bodybuilders money that the industry doesn't even generate. 

Here's an idea: if you don't like the terms, STOP COMPETING.  Nobody is forcing you on stage with a cattleprod.

I think that's the point Arnold is making. You can't squeeze blood from a stone.

If the competitors want more money then they need to find a way to generate more revenue.

[pumpster]

If the competitors want more money then they need to find a way to generate more revenue.

Obviously, but the point is that Schwarzenegger shouldn't be attacking them without also acknowledging the huge benefits he accrued, since groupies like this aren't interested in seeing the balanced perspectives Schwarzenegger conveniently leaves out. They just eat up the one-dimensional versions Arnold presents, as if they were gospel.

At the end of the day he probably knew they were an easy mark; he can create controversy by attacking them. As usual he enjoys manipulating the sheep who always buy the stuff he says without question. 

[w8tlftr]

Such a simplistic generalization, from someone who i'm quite sure wasn't there back in the day. You act like he was an altruist doing it all for BB when in fact it was for himself.

And you were?  

Did I ever make the statement that Arnold did anything other than for himself? Read the article. Everything he did was for himself and to improve his lot in life. Was he a dick about it? Yep. It still doesn't change the fact that he networked, busted his ass, and did what he had to do to succeed.

[pumpster]

Did I ever make the statement that Arnold did anything other than for himself? Read the article.

Anyone with a balanced perspective wouldn't take his rhetoric so seriously.

And yes, I was there backstage in the mid-70s when he was 6'1", 210 lb. acting like a self-important A-hole, as usual.

[w8tlftr]

At the end of the day he probably knew they were an easy mark; he can create controversy by attacking them. As usual he enjoys manipulating the sheep who always buy the stuff he says without question. 

Personally, I really couldn't give a shit but let's stick to the key points in his editorial:

- You can't demand more money if the revenue does not exist (see the NHL, WNBA, or WUSA for examples).
- No one in life owes you a damn thing so if you want something go out and work for it.

You don't have to be a Arnold fan to recognize this, "pumpster."  

[w8tlftr]

Anyone with a balanced perspective wouldn't take his rhetoric so seriously.

And yes, I was there backstage in the mid-70s when he was 6'1", 210 lb. acting like a self-important A-hole, as usual.

Rhetoric? It's common sense. Anyone who is old enough as you claim to be would know this.

[pumpster]

Rhetoric? It's common sense. Anyone who is old enough as you claim to be would know this.

Common sense = balanced perspectives you haven't shown yet.

[w8tlftr]

Common sense = balanced perspectives you haven't shown yet.

Yeah, you have that market cornered. 

BTW, have you sent Tiger Woods any cards, flowers, or champagne congratulating him on his latest string of victories?

[pumpster]

BTW, have you sent Tiger Woods any cards, flowers, or champagne congratulating him on his latest string of victories?

I'll save it for one of his huge losing streaks, since he's notoriously erratic and had some serious issus until recently. You know, those long losing streaks you continue to ignore. hahahaahahah

[alexxx]

I'll save it for one of his huge losing streaks, the ones you continue to ignore. hahahaahahah

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[pumpster]

Lou = a child.

Most bodybuilders are meatheads who don't have the faintest idea how to generate exposure for the industry.

Schwarzenegger looked like gold in PI, in part because most of the rest allowed to talk were pinheads, really unimpressive. More formidible guys like Oliva and Mentzer weren't shown, nor were more intelligent players like Nubret allowed to talk. Partially by design, the movie was a star vehicle.

You can see Mentzer for a millisecond at the counter at Gold's, quite obviously not one of the boys and completely non-existent in the presentation. Would've been a lot more interesting not to mention more balanced to have heard from him, from Nubret and from Oliva. They tried but were not able to get Draper on-camera.

[w8tlftr]

I'll save it for one of his huge losing streaks, since he's notoriously erratic and had some serious issus until recently. You know, those long losing streaks you continue to ignore. hahahaahahah

Everyone loses, pumpster, but it doesn't make him overhyped and erratic. Of course you're just to delusional to recognize that. 

[pumpster]

Everyone loses, pumpster, but it doesn't make him overhyped and erratic. Of course you're just to delusional to recognize that.

Except that he *is* erratic you knucklehead, and not just a little like you're desperate to portray it. He knew it even if you're too dizzy to, which is why during one of the longest streaks he started having to try different swings.

[shootfighter1]

I love how some of you guys find the same couple pictures of Arnold and criticize him.  BBing was very different in the 70s.  These guys weren't using AAS all year round and using quite a bit less than the pros today.  They also still believed in health in addition to muscles.  Thats why you see pics of arnold running in the offseason, and BBers actually doing some sports.  Also, at various times in his career, he was told to lose weight for tv/movies and publicity.  He wanted to be a star and did just that.

For everyone throwing around stats....arnold is 6'1.  End of story.  I'm sure Arnold usually walked around without supps at 230 or above.  More preparing for a show.

He has fantastic genetics for BBing and an excellent mesomorph frame.  If he did what the pros did today with all the advances in training, nutrition and supps, he'd be right there.

[RJB]

in his monthly column in the back he says that todays bb'ers are lazy and spoiled and that when he came here Weider gave him a little money to get an apartment and a car and that was it, he put himself through school and went to work as a bricklayer with Franco, he says todays pros want everything handed to them, whaddya think?

That is a sign of the times. Most people nowadays are lazy and do not want to work for anything. The last generation made things happen, and this one expects that kind of lifestyle without  the work that went into creating it.

[w8tlftr]

Except that he *is* erratic you knucklehead, and not just a little like you're desperate to portray it. He knew it even if you're too dizzy to, which is why during one of the longest streaks he started having to try different swings.

It must be really painful to talk out of your ass as much as you do.

Tiger Woods has won 12 majors and doesn't seem to be slowing down. What does he have to do for you to recognize him for the great player that he is? You don't even have to be a fan of golf (which I'm not) to acknowledge what he's done over years.

Did you drop one of your pink Spa Lady dumbbells on your head or have you always been this bitter?

[w8tlftr]

That is a sign of the times. Most people nowadays are lazy and do not want to work for anything. The last generation made things happen, and this one expects that kind of lifestyle without  the work that went into creating it.

Exactly. It wouldn't matter who made the remarks. It wouldn't make them any less true.

[Vince B]

I measured Arnold in January 1969 in Mit's Gym in Honolulu. Several guys were making claims about how tall they were and I challenged them. Each guy lost 1/2 to 1 inch under what he claimed. It was in the evening so perhaps you can shrink 1/2 inch during the day. Anyway, Arnold claimed he was 6-2. I challenged him and he got on the scale that had a height guage on it. He was 6 1 1/2 and stood as tall as he could. I told him he might be 6-2 in the mornings. I don't know of anyone else who has posted that they actually measured Arnold's height. I assume the scale was within 1/4 inch of being accurate. No one complained that the height guage was faulty.

I have posted this before but a lot of people just don't believe it. Go figure.

[youandme]

I did the trip to LA in October 1968 with the intention of trying to stay there. Not easy for Canadians because they are not allowed to work there. The Mexicans don't worry about such laws. Anyway, I had 200 dollars and a VW plus a Shell credit card. I lasted a month there. I slept in my car for over a week then Chip Wilson from Chicago and his flatmate let me sleep on their sofa in Santa Monica. Arnold arrived in LA in the same week as me and I met him at the original Golds and even took a couple of shots of him that were published in Muscle Training Illustrated. He was easygoing then and even let me measure his arms one day. I saw him hanging around Muscle Beach and Venice Beach with the boys. He didn't seem to have a job.

I heard later that Joe gave him a 'job' in the warehouse shifting boxes around but Arnold wasn't interested. I found out he shared a house with some Aussies and Kiwis in LA. Some of those guys were involved in shipping stolen cars back to Australia and one was arrested and spent time in Jail in America. I have no idea if Arnold was involved. A Kiwi escaped to Vancouver with a new Shelby GT500 and I put the picture together when I was in Hawaii and found out the Aussie was arrested in January 1969 by the FBI. I was on my way back from Australia with my wife to be.

Mits Kowashima brought Arnold and Dave Draper to Hawaii in Jan 69 to do a show. So Arnold had some income from doing shows, etc. Any guy who can't speak English properly and ends up a movie star and governor in California has what it takes to survive in LA.

I lasted a month and when the money ran out I headed back to Vancouver and eventually settled in Sydney in January 1971. Arnold went on to bigger things but people forget he bought a house worth over $1,000,000 back in 1980. So Arnold listened to Joe Gold and invested his earnings in real estate instead of opening a gym.

Are you talking about Chip Wilson the guy that was around during the original muscle era with Steeve Reeves etc etc?
Know he does like a art collection or something?

[alexxx]

I measured Arnold in January 1969 in Mit's Gym in Honolulu. Several guys were making claims about how tall they were and I challenged them. Each guy lost 1/2 to 1 inch under what he claimed. It was in the evening so perhaps you can shrink 1/2 inch during the day. Anyway, Arnold claimed he was 6-2. I challenged him and he got on the scale that had a height guage on it. He was 6 1 1/2 and stood as tall as he could. I told him he might be 6-2 in the mornings. I don't know of anyone else who has posted that they actually measured Arnold's height. I assume the scale was within 1/4 inch of being accurate. No one complained that the height guage was faulty.

I have posted this before but a lot of people just don't believe it. Go figure.

Pretty cool. Do you ever train with Arnold or see how he trained? Can you enlighten those that only had a Flex issue of his superset chest workouts.

[Vince B]

I never trained with Arnold. I saw him training in Sydney and he had a guy counting sets of leg extensions. I thought this guy was the first muscle caddy!

Chip Wilson trained at Gold's in late 68. He was one of the guys there and quite cynical about life so we got along fine. I have no idea what happened to him since. He was a serious guy and no fool but I wouldn't call him a musclehead.

[brianX]

You guys are acting like Arnold actually wrote that article.