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Major White House PR campaign announced
« on: August 30, 2006, 01:03:52 PM »
Bush and his staff will be conducting a major PR campaign to convince Americans the war in Iraq is necessary.

Line of new speeches, starting tomorrow.

Aside from the obvious fact that this shows desperation for an unpopular war, and since JOhn McCain and other big repubs are now jumping ship, i think at this point, there is only one thing that would keep us in the war over there.

A major terror attack.

Now, anyone want to make a guess whether we'll see a fishy attack on US interests with immediate blame going to that region before this November's election day? 

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Re: Major White House PR campaign announced
« Reply #1 on: August 30, 2006, 01:05:54 PM »
probably...but no ones gonna listen or believe ya...why?  cause bush told em not to...simple as that...sounds over simplistic?

i think not...
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Re: Major White House PR campaign announced
« Reply #2 on: August 30, 2006, 01:06:34 PM »
I would imagine a new Al Qaeda videos on its way.
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Re: Major White House PR campaign announced
« Reply #3 on: August 30, 2006, 01:08:20 PM »
From CNN.com today
The new GOP buzzword: Fascism

WASHINGTON (AP) -- President Bush in recent days has recast the global war on terror into a "war against Islamic fascism." Fascism, in fact, seems to be the new buzz word for Republicans in an election season dominated by an unpopular war in Iraq.

Bush used the term earlier this month in talking about the arrest of suspected terrorists in Britain, and spoke of "Islamic fascists" in a later speech in Green Bay, Wisconsin. Spokesman Tony Snow has used variations on the phrase at White House press briefings.

Sen. Rick Santorum, R-Pennsylvania, in a tough re-election fight, drew parallels on Monday between World War II and the current war against "Islamic fascism," saying they both require fighting a common foe in multiple countries. It's a phrase Santorum has been using for months.

And Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld on Tuesday took it a step further in a speech to an American Legion convention in Salt Lake City, accusing critics of the administration's Iraq and anti-terrorism policies of trying to appease "a new type of fascism." (Full story)

White House aides and outside Republican strategists said the new description is an attempt to more clearly identify the ideology that motivates many organized terrorist groups, representing a shift in emphasis from the general to the specific.

"I think it's an appropriate definition of the war that we're in," said GOP pollster Ed Goeas. "I think it's effective in that it definitively defines the enemy in a way that we can't because they're not in uniforms."

The right term?
But Muslim groups have cried foul. Bush's use of the phrase "contributes to a rising level of hostility to Islam and the American-Muslim community," complained Parvez Ahmed, chairman of the Council on American-Islamic Relations.

Conservative commentators have long talked about "Islamo-fascism," and Bush's phrase was a slightly toned-down variation on that theme.

Dennis Ross, a Mideast adviser to both the first Bush and Clinton administrations and now the director of the Washington Institute for Near East Policy, said he would have chosen different words.

"The `war on terror' has always been a misnomer, because terrorism is an instrument, it's not an ideology. So I would always have preferred it to be called the `war with radical Islam,' not with Islam but with `radical Islam,"' Ross said.

Why even mention the religion? "Because that's who they are," Ross said. "Fascism had a certain definition. Whether they meet this or not, one thing is clear: They're radical. They represent a completely radical and intolerant interpretation of Islam."

While "fascism" once referred to the rigid nationalistic one-party dictatorship first instituted in Italy, it has "been used very loosely in all kinds of ways for a long time," said Wayne Fields, a specialist in presidential rhetoric at Washington University in St. Louis.

"Typically, the Bush administration finds its vocabulary someplace in the middle ground of popular culture. It seems to me that they're trying to find something that resonates, without any effort to really define what they mean," Fields said.


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Re: Major White House PR campaign announced
« Reply #4 on: August 30, 2006, 01:08:34 PM »
I wouldn't be suprised.  But it might not be an attack of Bush's doing.  It may still be a  genuine attack.

I just wish Bush and the Jackass club would get out of office so we can deal with real issues such as Iran with something other than Cowboy Diplomacy.

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Re: Major White House PR campaign announced
« Reply #5 on: August 30, 2006, 01:11:39 PM »
Now, which govt would you say is more fascist?

1. (sometimes initial capital letter) a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.

Iraq doesn't have a strong leader with great power - The US does.
Iraq isn't criticizing opposition - The US is.
Iraq doesn't regiment industry and commerce - The US sure is
Iraq has zero aggressive nationalism (they're in a civil war!) and their racist is more shiite/sunni.
The US, however, has pretty much ingrained it into our mind that all arabs are evil and that "you're either with us, or you're with the terrorists!", which has to be the most nationalistic statement I've ever seen.

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Re: Major White House PR campaign announced
« Reply #6 on: August 30, 2006, 01:12:58 PM »
I wouldn't be suprised.  But it might not be an attack of Bush's doing.  It may still be a  genuine attack.

Might be.

however, who would benefit most?  The leader of iran would not be stupid enough to attack.  He knows that Bush is about to lose his permission slip to war, and iran has everything to lose and nothing to gain by attacking us.

But Bush would benefit greatly.  He'd get another 2 year blank check on the war effort.

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Re: Major White House PR campaign announced
« Reply #7 on: August 30, 2006, 01:23:04 PM »

The US, however, has pretty much ingrained it into our mind that all arabs are evil and that "you're either with us, or you're with the terrorists!", which has to be the most nationalistic statement I've ever seen.


yeah, you are right about the propaganda campaign against Arabs and Muslim.  IF you don't believe it, just look at tsome of the post in this forum stereotyping arabs and muslims.  It the biggest bunch if BS ever.  I live in California and have working/Freind relationships with many muslims and arabs for the last 20 years.  The slander campaign is ridiculous and what's even more stupid is the people who buy into it.

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Re: Major White House PR campaign announced
« Reply #8 on: August 30, 2006, 01:24:54 PM »
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Now, which govt would you say is more fascist?

1. (sometimes initial capital letter) a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.

Iraq doesn't have a strong leader with great power - The US does.
Iraq isn't criticizing opposition - The US is.
Iraq doesn't regiment industry and commerce - The US sure is
Iraq has zero aggressive nationalism (they're in a civil war!) and their racist is more shiite/sunni.
The US, however, has pretty much ingrained it into our mind that all arabs are evil and that "you're either with us, or you're with the terrorists!", which has to be the most nationalistic statement I've ever seen.

Why are you comparing America to Iraq. Your new freedoms you list for Iraq are directly due to American and British intervention.

The term Islamofascist applies to terrorist organisations,  like Al Qaeda and states of terror like Iran.

Last I checked in the U.S. you the have a bill of rights defended by the Supreme court.

If you want to see how Islamofascism works look at the Taliban or Iran. The rule of law is directed by the head of the Clergy.
The supreme court either doen't exist or has usurped by the Islamic council.
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Re: Major White House PR campaign announced
« Reply #9 on: August 30, 2006, 01:41:16 PM »
Bush and his staff will be conducting a major PR campaign to convince Americans the war in Iraq is necessary.

Line of new speeches, starting tomorrow.

Aside from the obvious fact that this shows desperation for an unpopular war, and since JOhn McCain and other big repubs are now jumping ship, i think at this point, there is only one thing that would keep us in the war over there.

A major terror attack.

Now, anyone want to make a guess whether we'll see a fishy attack on US interests with immediate blame going to that region before this November's election day? 
Something major is going to have to happen for them to get it on with Iran...  Since Israel is on our shit for not hooking them up with Iran because we lack the political will to engage in another war right now, that's exactly what they're going to do.  Maybe after the election, maybe before...  There is some thinking that it would work against them before. I'm betting within 30 days after the election, shit will hit the fan somewhere somehow.  Brace for the propaganda... It's going to get thick as fuck...

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Re: Major White House PR campaign announced
« Reply #10 on: August 30, 2006, 01:47:41 PM »
From CNN.com today
The new GOP buzzword: Fascism


14 Points of fascism
http://www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm

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Re: Major White House PR campaign announced
« Reply #11 on: August 30, 2006, 02:51:57 PM »
Now, which govt would you say is more fascist?

1. (sometimes initial capital letter) a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.

Iraq doesn't have a strong leader with great power - The US does. (any leader has power-not COMPLETE power like a hitler or franco)
Iraq isn't criticizing opposition - The US is (first of all, they are.  2nd of all, criticising opposition is not the same as FORCIBLY SUPPRESSING OPPOSITION AND CRITICISM)
Iraq doesn't regiment industry and commerce - (Regiment? that is a pretty vague word. No country on earth has a complete laissez fare economy.)
Iraq has zero aggressive nationalism (they're in a civil war!) and their racist is more shiite/sunni.(bombing your opponents hospital seems pretty aggressive to me.  Hitler was an extreme nationalist and he murdered millions of his own people (besides jews))

The US, however, has pretty much ingrained it into our mind that all arabs are evil and that "you're either with us, or you're with the terrorists!", which has to be the most nationalistic statement I've ever seen. (than why aren't we racial profiling. and in case you haven't noticed, many muslims have devoted their life and will give their own to kill innocent westerners. Oh thats right, none of the terrorist attacks were real they were all faked by the government.)

Iraq is not a country right now.  Its a big shitshow over there and lets leave it at that.  "radical" islam is the nationalistic base of this fascism, not any country itself. ISlamic fascism takes on its own form and cannot directly be compared to the western versions of fascism seen in the past. 

For your stupid, oversimplistic little model, take iran:


Regimenting all commerce and industry: Iran
Strong leader, totalitarian: Iran
nationalism or in this case nationalism in the sense of the muslim people and the return of the caliphate: Iran
criticize and FORCIBLY SUPPRESS oposition: Iran


You could not say stuff like this in Iran without the very real risk of torture and jailtime.  But you can walk down the street with a sign as Bush as the devil, or even chant death to america (in front of the effin white house!!!) in our nations capital and nothing is done to you if you are not disobeying any laws.

Rascists?:  we are all infidels who deserve to have our heads cut off.

Iraq is a mess, and there are many that feel the war has only served to increase the cause of Islamic fascism.  But to say that we live in a more fascist society than those in the middle east is idiotic.  That is almost as idiotic as living out your life on getbig.com


Really, you guys are pretty ridiculous. 
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Re: Major White House PR campaign announced
« Reply #12 on: August 30, 2006, 03:34:39 PM »

Really, you guys are pretty ridiculous. 


That is a terrible way to post your comments on another post.  Fix it.  :-X