Author Topic: Dad Kills Neighbor Accused of Molesting Girl (Read 6545 times)

Always Sore · « **Reply #25 on:** August 31, 2006, 07:00:46 PM »

Quote from: pumpster on August 31, 2006, 06:55:46 PM

Has happened to me twice, both times at night which made it worse. My first instinct wasn't to grab a gun and fire, but rather to get them outta there. You fire in self-defence only.

the time it happened to me was not to grab a gun and fire it was to grab my shotgun and get my family all in one room and once accoutned for I started to head downstairs (phone was there) and racked the slide to load a round (and let whoever was there hear me) which was followed by somebody running out the back where they entered and I called the police to investigate which they never found whoever it was. if the person or persons came at me or tried to hurt or injure my family I was prepared to stop them with the means I choose, nothing rambo nothing badass just protecting my own.

pumpster · « **Reply #26 on:** August 31, 2006, 07:02:37 PM »

Don't blame you; that's not the same as what this dad did.

Always Sore · « **Reply #27 on:** August 31, 2006, 07:05:10 PM »

Quote from: pumpster on August 31, 2006, 07:02:37 PM

Don't blame you; that's not the same as what this dad did.

no I agree he flamed out due to his preception or conversation about his kid being abused, as a parent I am not sure I would not react the same way. Its really sad to admit I do not have the ability to think clearly if someone touched my kid or I had what I considerd proof that somebody harmed my kid. I can understand losing control in that situation.

Hugo Chavez · « **Reply #28 on:** August 31, 2006, 07:09:22 PM »

Quote from: Always Sore on August 31, 2006, 06:47:25 PM

no not a tough guy (well actuall yes) but a well armed protector of my domain. I would not (ok maybe) go in somebody's house with intent to do harm as I defend the right to protect myself and my family and it is a stone cold fact (have had to before) that if someone entered my home unannounced with the intention to do harm I would in fact be legally allowed to use deadly force to repel a intruder armed with a knife and would not miss a minute of sleep after they carted the body away.Its the same reason I have a CCW, not because I go looking to be "rambo" but in case in this shitty world someone esclates a situation from a unarmed confontation to a attempt to injure or kill myself or a friend or loved one.Not every situation can be solved by walking away or calmly talking, some people are out to hurt or brutally injure or kill others for no reason and I for one will not ever allow it to happen if I can do something about it, and would be suprise if you or others would not step up and protect yourself or others if you had the chance.

hope this helps you understand

Thanks.

Well no fucking shit... If someone comes in my home, I'm defending it.... That doesn't have anything to do with my original point. So you're trying to help me understand a big fat no shit here that doesn't relate to the fact that the guy shouldn't have been bursting into someone's home going postal... No shit you should be willing to terminate some ass who would do it

Dos Equis · « **Reply #29 on:** August 31, 2006, 07:11:41 PM »

Quote from: pumpster on August 31, 2006, 06:55:46 PM

Has happened to me twice, both times at night which made it worse. My first instinct wasn't to grab a gun and fire, but rather to get them outta there.

You fire in self-defence only-just as you're supposed to drive a car defensively, that should be understood if fully cognizant of the gravity of having a gun. It's not an offensive weapon if used responsibly-the fundamental difference in approach involving countries with few guns & murders. There is *no* option to use it offensively.

I understand where you're coming from. On the other hand, I don't think everyone should be expected to use your unusually calm approach when an intruder comes through the door, window, etc. As far as I'm concerned, you can fire at will at anyone who breaks into your house. You shouldn't have to ask questions, try and determine if they have a weapon, etc., especially at night. I don't know how you did it, but I don't fault anyone for using deadly force on an intruder who breaks into a house. You have no idea whether you're dealing with a harmless kid, a serial killer, a rapist, or a crackhead.

Always Sore · « **Reply #30 on:** August 31, 2006, 07:14:16 PM »

Quote from: Berserker on August 31, 2006, 07:09:22 PM

Well no fucking shit... If someone comes in my home, I'm defending it.... I hope others would do the same but if they're to stupid well that's their bust... That doesn't have anything to do with my original point. So you're trying to help me understand a big fat no shit here that doesn't relate to the fact that the guy shouldn't have been bursting into someone's home going postal... No shit you should be willing to terminate some ass who would do it

seems we missed each other on the same side of the highway then, I am sure it will happen again...

My point was exactly that. thanks.

Hugo Chavez · « **Reply #31 on:** August 31, 2006, 07:16:48 PM »

Quote from: Beach Bum on August 31, 2006, 07:11:41 PM

I understand where you're coming from. On the other hand, I don't think everyone should be expected to use your unusually calm approach when an intruder comes through the door, window, etc. As far as I'm concerned, you can fire at will at anyone who breaks into your house. You shouldn't have to ask questions, try and determine if they have a weapon, etc., especially at night. I don't know how you did it, but I don't fault anyone for using deadly force on an intruder who breaks into a house. You have no idea whether you're dealing with a harmless kid, a serial killer, a rapist, or a crackhead.

This is all very true and I agree with everything you just said... But not to burst any egos here, if someone has gone Berserk and burst into your home with the intent on killing you... There's a good chance his getting the drop on you first. It's not going to be like, OH... I'll wait for you to wipe your ass before trying to kill you

Guard Dogs are a wondeful thing.

pumpster · « **Reply #32 on:** August 31, 2006, 08:03:12 PM »

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Its really sad to admit I do not have the ability to think clearly

The mind boggles if the term brittle ever came up..

Al-Gebra · « **Reply #33 on:** August 31, 2006, 08:22:15 PM »

Why isn't the title of this thread "Man/Dad Kills Daughter's Suspected Molester"?

Dos Equis · « **Reply #34 on:** August 31, 2006, 08:25:36 PM »

Quote from: Al-Gebra on August 31, 2006, 08:22:15 PM

Why isn't the title of this thread "Dad Kills Daughter's Suspected Molester"?

Because I cut and pasted the title of the story into the title of this thread, like I do with most other news stories I post. But I think your title is better.

Al-Gebra · « **Reply #35 on:** August 31, 2006, 08:29:21 PM »

ahh . . . the title so colored my first reading that I didn't realize the "girl" was his little girl . . . i'll be very curious to see how this develops.

pumpster · « **Reply #36 on:** August 31, 2006, 08:29:25 PM »

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As far as I'm concerned, you can fire at will at anyone who breaks into your house.

I don't think the law would agree: it's simple-shoot to defend oneself only. Morally I agree with that, wouldn't be comfortable shooting unless under the threat of attack, and then only would aim to wound, if there was the luxury to choose. A break-in by itself isn't sufficient justification to shoot someone.

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if someone has gone Berserk and burst into your home with the intent on killing you... There's a good chance his getting the drop on you first.

That's an extreme premise that would only apply in a minority of examples. In most cases that wouldn't be so. In the case of the father or in the case of being faced with someone who was not threating, lethal force isn't required and is against the law from what i know.

24KT · « **Reply #37 on:** August 31, 2006, 09:01:50 PM »

Quote from: Beach Bum on August 31, 2006, 07:11:41 PM

I understand where you're coming from. On the other hand, I don't think everyone should be expected to use your unusually calm approach when an intruder comes through the door, window, etc. As far as I'm concerned, you can fire at will at anyone who breaks into your house. You shouldn't have to ask questions, try and determine if they have a weapon, etc., especially at night. I don't know how you did it, but I don't fault anyone for using deadly force on an intruder who breaks into a house. You have no idea whether you're dealing with a harmless kid, a serial killer, a rapist, or a crackhead.

I kind of disagree here. Ya, protect yourself, ...but first determine if there even is a threat against you before you start firing indiscriminately at will.

Years ago, I heard someone entering my home through my garage at 4:00 in the morning. I happened to be awake at the time, and heard the garage door opening, as well as the door from the garage into the laundry room. First thing I did was call 911, ...then went to investigate. It turned out my mother, who had been living in Jamaica had decided to come back to Canada. Unfortunately, she never told me, my sister, or anyone else that she was coming back. She got held up at the airport, and wasn't able to make it to my house until 4:00 am. Had I followed the 'shoot first, ask questions later' policy, she would have been dead.

I hope your wife or daughters aren't into late night snacking... they might get a louisville slugger to the head.

Hugo Chavez · « **Reply #38 on:** August 31, 2006, 09:22:36 PM »

Quote from: pumpster on August 31, 2006, 08:29:25 PM

I don't think the law would agree: it's simple-shoot to defend oneself only. Morally I agree with that, wouldn't be comfortable shooting unless under the threat of attack, and then only would aim to wound, if there was the luxury to choose. A break-in by itself isn't sufficient justification to shoot someone.

That's an extreme premise that would only apply in a minority of examples. In most cases that wouldn't be so. In the case of the father or in the case of being faced with someone who was not threating, lethal force isn't required and is against the law from what i know.

That depends on where you live... Here in Colorado I'm pretty sure you can blast away. That's the way it should be everywhere. Dudes in your home, consider your life in danger.

The Showstoppa · « **Reply #39 on:** September 01, 2006, 06:57:54 AM »

Quote from: jaguarenterprises on August 31, 2006, 09:01:50 PM

I kind of disagree here. Ya, protect yourself, ...but first determine if there even is a threat against you before you start firing indiscriminately at will.

Years ago, I heard someone entering my home through my garage at 4:00 in the morning. I happened to be awake at the time, and heard the garage door opening, as well as the door from the garage into the laundry room. First thing I did was call 911, ...then went to investigate. It turned out my mother, who had been living in Jamaica had decided to come back to Canada. Unfortunately, she never told me, my sister, or anyone else that she was coming back. She got held up at the airport, and wasn't able to make it to my house until 4:00 am. Had I followed the 'shoot first, ask questions later' policy, she would have been dead.

I hope your wife or daughters aren't into late night snacking... they might get a louisville slugger to the head.

Went to investigate? What exactly would you have done if it hadn't been your mom, but rather some knife wielding psycho? Tell him to wait because you had "called 911."

24KT · « **Reply #40 on:** September 01, 2006, 07:09:36 AM »

Quote from: The Showstoppa on September 01, 2006, 06:57:54 AM

Went to investigate? What exactly would you have done if it hadn't been your mom, but rather some knife wielding psycho? Tell him to wait because you had "called 911."

no can say on a public message board, other than to say it would have been taken care of

pumpster · « **Reply #41 on:** September 01, 2006, 07:12:56 AM »

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That depends on where you live... Here in Colorado I'm pretty sure you can blast away. That's the way it should be everywhere. Dudes in your home, consider your life in danger.

If that's true, some would call that part of what's wrong with the approach of some Americans with the leftover cowboy vigilante mode from a couple of centuries ago.

Always Sore · « **Reply #42 on:** September 01, 2006, 07:17:30 AM »

Quote from: pumpster on September 01, 2006, 07:12:56 AM

If that's true, some would call that part of what's wrong with the approach of some Americans with the cowboy vigilante approach leftover from a couple of centuries ago.

Its because now in america were surrounded by indians like its the little big horn.I need to move..

bmacsys · « **Reply #43 on:** September 01, 2006, 07:25:44 AM »

Quote from: Always Sore on August 31, 2006, 01:26:50 PM

Well that could be a problem you jump thru my window late at night and you get the business end of a 12 gauge slug in return, but thats just me..

A .12 guage deer slug is a half ounce of lead. That would blow a freaking hole through some one at close range.

bmacsys · « **Reply #44 on:** September 01, 2006, 07:28:59 AM »

Quote from: Always Sore on August 31, 2006, 06:47:25 PM

no not a tough guy (well actuall yes) but a well armed protector of my domain. I would not (ok maybe) go in somebody's house with intent to do harm as I defend the right to protect myself and my family and it is a stone cold fact (have had to before) that if someone entered my home unannounced with the intention to do harm I would in fact be legally allowed to use deadly force to repel a intruder armed with a knife and would not miss a minute of sleep after they carted the body away.Its the same reason I have a CCW, not because I go looking to be "rambo" but in case in this shitty world someone esclates a situation from a unarmed confontation to a attempt to injure or kill myself or a friend or loved one.Not every situation can be solved by walking away or calmly talking, some people are out to hurt or brutally injure or kill others for no reason and I for one will not ever allow it to happen if I can do something about it, and would be suprise if you or others would not step up and protect yourself or others if you had the chance.

hope this helps you understand

Thanks.

Someone breaks into my house they would have to run the gauntlet of two 100 pound dogs. Them my .45 with a round in the chamber I keep handy.

Always Sore · « **Reply #45 on:** September 01, 2006, 07:30:15 AM »

Quote from: bmacsys on September 01, 2006, 07:25:44 AM

A .12 guage deer slug is a half ounce of lead. That would blow a freaking hole through some one at close range.

that why I have a 50/50 mix between slugs and 00 buck, best of both worlds coverage and basketball size exit wounds..

bmacsys · « **Reply #46 on:** September 01, 2006, 07:33:54 AM »

Quote from: Always Sore on September 01, 2006, 07:30:15 AM

that why I have a 50/50 mix between slugs and 00 buck, best of both worlds coverage and basketball size exit wounds..

I could always break out my 12 guage 835 Ultimag, pull out the plug and put 5 shells in and vaporize somebody. Shotguns are definately the best weapon for home protection.

Hedgehog · « **Reply #47 on:** September 01, 2006, 07:35:20 AM »

Nobody is above the law.

If you don't like the law, argue it, use your influence and vote.

YIP
Zack

Always Sore · « **Reply #48 on:** September 01, 2006, 07:48:02 AM »

Quote from: bmacsys on September 01, 2006, 07:33:54 AM

I could always break out my 12 guage 835 Ultimag, pull out the plug and put 5 shells in and vaporize somebody. Shotguns are definately the best weapon for home protection.

Mossbergs are better then waiting on hold while calling 911...

though I do have hollow point low penatration rounds for the 45 if I do want more mobility or have to check out the yard.

240 is Back · « **Reply #49 on:** September 01, 2006, 08:27:09 AM »

Always... you have a CCW? that's awesome man. I've had mine 9 years now.

In FL, you can shoot a person in your home. Period. He can be a thug with a handgun or a bum with a sandwich. in the dark you really don't have time to make the differentiation. of course, if you can, you avoid killing the guy. But you will not be prosecuted if the man you kill in the dark ends up homeless.

And as a result, home invasions are VERy rare in FL. Chances are if you push your way into a house, you're looking at a shotgun exchange immediately.

i thought it through today. If a neighbor molested my child, I'd pick up a box of cereal or somee other diversion, politely knock on his door, then proceed to pucn the guy about 20 times before returning to my house and calling police. You get some justice, but you don't go to prison. No jury will convict you for beating a guy who did such a thing. now killing a guy, they gotta convict ya of something...