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911 the falling man
« on: August 31, 2006, 07:50:46 PM »
If youre not aware its a story about all the people that jumped outta the windows between the towers being hit by the planes and collapsing. Pretty interesting stuff...the way the broadcasters denied that people even jumped...saying that they were 'blown out' or simply fell from the towers.  ::)

In particular it was a story about finding the identity of the 'falling man' who's picture outraged much of america.

Why is it bad to think that people made that decision to leap to certain death from...certain death...it would be impossible to imagine what the conditions in the towers would have been like and to contemplate jumping from 106 floors up.

to drive people to suicide...is worse than murder..and those responsible should be also put to death...by way of 'walking the plank' so to speak. I bet these chicken shits wouldnt jump

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Re: 911 the falling man
« Reply #1 on: August 31, 2006, 08:01:39 PM »
those falling bodies were the only bodies that America saw that day.  Penn? Not one body found or shown.  Pentagon?  Supposedly, 184 or 189 people were identified from DNA, but the only bodies ever photographed belonged to Pentagon workers.  Towers, they went in cleanly and came out in a fireball.

Very smart way to do a psychological operation.  They would switch to the news anchor when bodies leaped in groups.  They didn't talk about it much on the air. 

Can you imaagine the shit going through their poor minds?  They've seen coworkers killed, they may be burned already, they are surrounded by fire, and it's either be burned alive, orthrow yourself out a window for a ten second freefall to your death.  I'm sure they waited until the last possible second to make that choice.

Worst part were the groups of people who held hands, or jumped 2 or 3 at a time.  To die together must have been the only comfort at that point.

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Re: 911 the falling man
« Reply #2 on: August 31, 2006, 08:01:59 PM »
i thought the fires were already out . . . they shouldn't have jumped. maybe they knew that the pre-plane-impact bombs were going to bring the building down . . . no wait, I thought it was the squibs. i'm confused, but i'm sure the falling man will help me sort it all out.

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Re: 911 the falling man
« Reply #3 on: August 31, 2006, 08:07:48 PM »
i thought the fires were already out . . . they shouldn't have jumped. maybe they knew that the pre-plane-impact bombs were going to bring the building down . . . no wait, I thought it was the squibs. i'm confused, but i'm sure the falling man will help me sort it all out.

say what you like guy...people jumped...it wasnt a conspiracy story, just a story that has never been told

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Re: 911 the falling man
« Reply #4 on: August 31, 2006, 08:18:50 PM »
say what you like guy...people jumped...it wasnt a conspiracy story, just a story that has never been told

i've always heard that there were jumpers . . . i didn't know they changed the story.

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Re: 911 the falling man
« Reply #5 on: August 31, 2006, 08:26:45 PM »
i thought the fires were already out . . . they shouldn't have jumped. maybe they knew that the pre-plane-impact bombs were going to bring the building down . . . no wait, I thought it was the squibs. i'm confused, but i'm sure the falling man will help me sort it all out.

the south tower only had two small pockets of fire when it fell, accoring to firefighter recordings.
 
most of the jumpers went in the early stages of the fire, at least 200 people jumped to their death.

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Re: 911 the falling man
« Reply #6 on: August 31, 2006, 08:47:41 PM »
Desperation forced a horrific decision
By Dennis Cauchon and Martha Moore, USA TODAY
At first, it seemed like debris. Large objects were falling from the top of the World Trade Center's north tower, just a few minutes after American Airlines Flight 11 hit.
 
  The sight of people plunging from the north tower compelled hundreds in the south tower to flee before the second jet struck the building. 
Richard Drew, AP

"It took three or four to realize: They were people," says James Logozzo, who had gathered with co-workers in a Morgan Stanley boardroom on the 72nd floor of the south tower, just 120 feet away from the north tower. "Then this one woman fell."

She fell closer to the south tower, he recalls. Logozzo saw her face. She had dark hair and olive skin, a white blouse and black skirt. She fell with her back to the ground, flat, staring up.

"The look on her face was shock. She wasn't screaming. It was slow motion. When she hit, there was nothing left," Logozzo says.

Logozzo cried, "Oh my God!" and raced for the stairs. When he got to the street 45 minutes later, he looked up. By then, his building had been struck by United Airlines Flight 175. From the ground, he saw two more people jump. This time, they were from his building.

The story of the victims who jumped to their deaths is the most sensitive aspect of the Sept. 11 tragedy. Photographs of people falling to their deaths shocked the nation. Most newspapers and magazines ran only one or two photos, then published no more. USA TODAY ran one photo Nov. 16.

Still, the images resonate. Many who survived or witnessed the attack say the sight of victims jumping is their most haunting memory of that day.

It was worse than people realize.

USA TODAY estimates that at least 200 people jumped to their deaths that morning, far more than can be seen in the photographs taken that morning. Nearly all were from the north tower, which was hit first and collapsed last. Fewer than a dozen were from the south tower.

The jumping started shortly after the first jet hit at 8:46 a.m. People jumped continuously during the 102 minutes that the north tower stood. Two people jumped as the north tower began to fall at 10:28 a.m., witnesses said.

For those who jumped, the fall lasted 10 seconds. They struck the ground at just less than 150 miles per hour — not fast enough to cause unconsciousness while falling, but fast enough to ensure instant death on impact. People jumped from all four sides of the north tower. They jumped alone, in pairs and in groups.

Most came from the north tower's 101st to 105th floors, where the Cantor Fitzgerald bond firm had offices, and the 106th and 107th floors, where a conference was underway at the Windows on the World restaurant. Others leaped from the 93rd through 100th floor offices of Marsh & McLennan insurance company.

Intense smoke and heat, rather than flames, pushed people into this horrific choice. Flight 11 struck the 94th through 98th floors of the north tower, shooting heat and smoke up elevator shafts and stairways in the center of the building. Within minutes, it would have been very difficult to breathe. That drove people to the windows 1,100 to 1,300 feet above ground.

There were several reasons more people jumped from the north tower than from the south. The fire was more intense and compact in the north tower. The jet hit higher, so smoke was concentrated in 15 floors compared with 30 floors in the south tower, which was hit on the 78th through 84th floors. The north tower also stood longer: 102 minutes vs. 56 minutes. And twice as many people were trapped on the north tower's upper floors than in the south tower, where occupants had 161/2 minutes to evacuate before the second jet hit.

The New York medical examiner's office says it does not classify the people who fell to their deaths on Sept. 11 as "jumpers."

"A 'jumper' is somebody who goes to the office in the morning knowing that they will commit suicide," says Ellen Borakove, spokeswoman for the medical examiner's office. "These people were forced out by the smoke and flames or blown out."

She says the medical examiner's office couldn't determine who jumped because the injuries were similar to those suffered by the people killed in the collapse of the towers. The manner of death for all those who died was listed as homicide on death certificates.

To make its estimate of the number of people who plunged from the Trade Center, USA TODAY reviewed videos and photographs, interviewed witnesses and analyzed the time and location of the jumping. The newspaper discussed its conclusion with officials in the fire department and medical examiner's office who, while not making calculations of their own, deemed an estimate of 200 jumpers as accurate.

The New York Times counted 50 different jumpers in a review of photographs and videotapes. USA TODAY's estimate attempts to include people whose falls were not documented. Nearly all photos were of the north tower's north and east faces, which were more accessible to photographers coming from uptown Manhattan. But witnesses reported that numerous people leapt from the north tower's south and west sides as well.

On the south side, firefighters reported 30 to 40 bodies on the roof of the 22-floor Marriott Hotel, adjacent to the north tower.

On the west side, falling bodies crashed onto the awning covering the circular VIP driveway. The thudding of bodies at this entrance can be heard on a video taken near there by French cameraman Jules Naudet, whose footage was broadcast on CBS on March 11.


On the east side, people plummeted into the plaza, best known for its globe sculpture. Blood covered the glass walls and revolving doors that led to the plaza from the second-floor mezzanine in the north tower. People evacuating the north tower walked by this horrible sight.

"The windows were red ... and bits of bodies were outside. We were stunned and amazed," says Richard Moller, who escaped from the 78th floor.

After the first jet crash, Port Authority police Officer David Lim took an escalator from the lobby of the north tower to the plaza level, one floor above. He saw a disfigured body near a stage where musical groups performed on the plaza. "I said, oh my God! I've got to call this in. 'I've got a DOA on the plaza.' The desk officer said, 'Are you sure he's dead?' As I'm retransmitting, another body falls."

To be sure, some who fell didn't jump. Witnesses say a few people seemed to have stumbled out of broken windows obscured by smoke. But most say those jumping appeared to make a conscious choice to die by falling rather than from smoke, heat or fire.

Ultimately, they were choosing not whether to die but how to die. Nobody survived on the floors from which people jumped.

Victims who jumped had a profound influence on the evacuation. Firefighters moved their command post away from the building to avoid them. A falling body killed a firefighter. Fire Commissioner Thomas Van Essen, rushing out of the north tower to meet Mayor Rudy Giuliani, was nearly killed when a body landed 15 feet away.

To safeguard people from falling bodies and debris, authorities blocked the main exits from the lobbies to the street. Instead, people escaping from both towers were sent through an underground shopping mall and under the outdoor plaza where bodies were falling.

The sight of people jumping saved lives, too. In the south tower, people had a close-up view of people plunging to their deaths from a building that was a mirror image of their own. "I looked at a couple of people jumping, and that was it. I'd seen enough. I said, 'We've got to get the hell out of here,' " says Jaede Barg, who worked for Aon on the south tower's 100th floor.

Many south tower survivors say the sight of people jumping created an urgency that caused them to leave immediately and ignore announcements that it was safe to return to their desks. About 1,400 people evacuated the upper floors before the second jet hit.

Eric Thompson, who worked on the 77th floor of the south tower, went to a conference room window after the first jet hit. He was shocked when a man came to a north tower window and leapt from a few floors above the fire. Thompson looked the man in the face. He saw his tie flapping in the wind. He watched the man's body strike the pavement below. "There was no human resemblance whatsoever," Thompson says.

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Re: 911 the falling man
« Reply #7 on: August 31, 2006, 08:52:17 PM »
911 was the biggest snuff film in history.

http://www.reopen911.org/

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Re: 911 the falling man
« Reply #8 on: August 31, 2006, 09:05:40 PM »
If youre not aware its a story about all the people that jumped outta the windows between the towers being hit by the planes and collapsing. Pretty interesting stuff...the way the broadcasters denied that people even jumped...saying that they were 'blown out' or simply fell from the towers.  ::)

In particular it was a story about finding the identity of the 'falling man' who's picture outraged much of america.

Why is it bad to think that people made that decision to leap to certain death from...certain death...it would be impossible to imagine what the conditions in the towers would have been like and to contemplate jumping from 106 floors up.

to drive people to suicide...is worse than murder..and those responsible should be also put to death...by way of 'walking the plank' so to speak. I bet these chicken shits wouldnt jump

carry on
People jumping was mentioned on the day it happened.

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Re: 911 the falling man
« Reply #9 on: August 31, 2006, 09:50:54 PM »
People jumping was mentioned on the day it happened.

yes but they chose to not show the footage and later went on to say that they were 'blown out'

on the day many things were said that were later changed...

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Re: 911 the falling man
« Reply #10 on: August 31, 2006, 09:53:11 PM »
yes but they chose to not show the footage and later went on to say that they were 'blown out'

on the day many things were said that were later changed...

ask 240
That's true.

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Re: 911 the falling man
« Reply #11 on: August 31, 2006, 10:16:56 PM »
they were careful to zoom back and show faces at desks when groups of bodies fell.  But some did get through. 

It seems weird that the bodies fell at a continual rate (IE- they didn't all fall at 8:46 -- they were spread out over the entire burning time.)

Makes you wonder- if they were blown out windows, what was exploding in there at such a steady rate? ;) Either we have more evidence of explosives, or we have the talking heads sugar coating things.

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Re: 911 the falling man
« Reply #12 on: August 31, 2006, 10:20:38 PM »
they were careful to zoom back and show faces at desks when groups of bodies fell.  But some did get through. 

It seems weird that the bodies fell at a continual rate (IE- they didn't all fall at 8:46 -- they were spread out over the entire burning time.)

Makes you wonder- if they were blown out windows, what was exploding in there at such a steady rate? ;) Either we have more evidence of explosives, or we have the talking heads sugar coating things.

if you havent seen the doco 240 you should check it out...someone says "The 3rd explosion, right before the tower came down"

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Re: 911 the falling man
« Reply #13 on: August 31, 2006, 10:24:34 PM »
LOL... there is overwhelming proof that there were 3 massive explosions in each building right before they came down.  Oddly enough, CNN removed these explosions before releasing their DVD.  Guilty conscience?


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3498980438587461603&q=911+blue+media&hl=en

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Re: 911 the falling man
« Reply #14 on: August 31, 2006, 10:30:37 PM »
you hav a link to the documentary? thanks

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Re: 911 the falling man
« Reply #15 on: August 31, 2006, 11:15:08 PM »
you hav a link to the documentary? thanks

it was on free to air tv last night

http://www.esquire.com/features/articles/2003/030903_mfe_falling_1.html

this link is about the flick...downloading it i'll have to dig deeper


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Re: 911 the falling man
« Reply #16 on: September 01, 2006, 01:05:20 AM »
i cant even imagine what those people who jumped had to be thinking or feeling. to jump from that height, things must have been pretty bad where they were. :'(

god bless them and their souls
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Re: 911 the falling man
« Reply #17 on: September 01, 2006, 01:26:49 AM »
i cant even imagine what those people who jumped had to be thinking or feeling. to jump from that height, things must have been pretty bad where they were. :'(

god bless them and their souls

You know, when you think bout 911, it's sad to say 3000 were murdered and some in our govt knew about it.

But when you think about it in terms of HOW they died...
 
200 people had to choose throwing themselves out a window to their death to avoid being burned to death.  The lucky ones had a hand to hold as they plummeted to the earth at 150 mph.

400 of them sat on planes and screamed as they saw a bulding approaching and knew they were about to be incinerated.  maybe some covered their heads to brace for impact.

400 or so people were sitting at their desk working when without warning a plane traveling 500 mph flew into their office and exploded, killing them with no warning at all.

Some did their job.  300 of them went into a building to put out a fire.  They had no idea the building was a ticking time bomb.   

Another 1700 people just did what they were told.  They waited for help.  They were told to return to work, and they did.  They sat at their desks, maybe tried to check email, lstened to the booms, and just waited for help.  There people were killed without warning when the floor they were on was leveled by high power explosives.  Their remains fell a thousand feet, where they met an unglorious resting place in 50 feet of molten steel.

You're right, blinky.
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Re: 911 the falling man
« Reply #18 on: September 01, 2006, 01:59:55 AM »
everyone forgets this part of the events...

for some it was instant for others it was slow

but imagine the stress...fear...and even if it was for a split second, the pain these poor people endured

we cant

there was a news story last night about a guy that was stealing mail...they found him and put that sick bastard to justice.  ::)

The faceless villain "terror' did this and for many that appears to be enough...


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Re: 911 the falling man
« Reply #19 on: September 01, 2006, 10:05:22 AM »
Pretty good documentary, also helped to reinforce the stereotype that most americans are morons with their "there were no jumpers" fantasy.

Sure there wasn't love! now let's see, shall I burn to death in agony or jump? 'cos either way I'm gonna die.... decisions, decisions

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Re: 911 the falling man
« Reply #20 on: September 01, 2006, 10:26:09 AM »
Pretty good documentary, also helped to reinforce the stereotype that most americans are morons with their "there were no jumpers" fantasy.

Sure there wasn't love! now let's see, shall I burn to death in agony or jump? 'cos either way I'm gonna die.... decisions, decisions

all right, so this is the first I've heard about the "there were no jumpers" story . . . we knew people jumped from the minute they jumped.

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Re: 911 the falling man
« Reply #21 on: September 01, 2006, 11:09:54 AM »
all right, so this is the first I've heard about the "there were no jumpers" story . . . we knew people jumped from the minute they jumped.

Right.  but in the "sanitized" version that the true story has evolved into over the last 5 years, some things have changed.  They continually say some ppl were blown out the windows, there were no explosions in the towers, no one knew the towers were coming down. 

In real life, people jumped steadily for 60 minutes, many explosions were reported by firefighters and picked up on everyone's videotape, and there is video proof the firefighters were told to evacuate "the towers are coming down", even though the fire was down to 2 small pockets.

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Re: 911 the falling man
« Reply #22 on: September 01, 2006, 12:52:23 PM »
If youre not aware its a story about all the people that jumped outta the windows between the towers being hit by the planes and collapsing. Pretty interesting stuff...the way the broadcasters denied that people even jumped...saying that they were 'blown out' or simply fell from the towers.  ::)

In particular it was a story about finding the identity of the 'falling man' who's picture outraged much of america.

Why is it bad to think that people made that decision to leap to certain death from...certain death...it would be impossible to imagine what the conditions in the towers would have been like and to contemplate jumping from 106 floors up.

to drive people to suicide...is worse than murder..and those responsible should be also put to death...by way of 'walking the plank' so to speak. I bet these chicken shits wouldnt jump

carry on




cause we as an industrilized people have become wayy too fucking politically correct...


..i concour and applaud your walking the lank idea...106 floors up...
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Re: 911 the falling man
« Reply #23 on: September 01, 2006, 01:21:03 PM »
Who in the fuck are you guys talking about when you say that people deny the jumpers?  I don't remember anyone EVER denying it.  Maybe they didn't show a close-up, zoom in shot of each one, but to claim anybody said there were none.  :-\

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Re: 911 the falling man
« Reply #24 on: September 01, 2006, 01:22:10 PM »
The New York medical examiner's office says it does not classify the people who fell to their deaths on Sept. 11 as "jumpers."

"A 'jumper' is somebody who goes to the office in the morning knowing that they will commit suicide," says Ellen Borakove, spokeswoman for the medical examiner's office. "These people were forced out by the smoke and flames or blown out."