Proof of more Bush hatred.....

[Eyeball Chambers]

all the left does is hate on Bush

It's not just the left anymore. 

[Mr. Intenseone]

I would compare left-wing extremists who make movies like this to the right-wing neoconservatives who insist on going to 3 wars at once.

Neither represent the views of most of their party.  I guarantee that 9 out of 10 dems will say the movie is a horrible concept.  I am fairly sure that 9 out of 10 repubs would say that invading Iran for their UN violation while still battling Afghan and Iraq is insane.  (keep in mind we're tlaking real people, not elected officials)

Tote: the extreme left-wingers (whose movie concept is terrible BTW) don't actually kill anyone.  The policy of the neocons (whether you believe it is justified or not) has left tens or hundreds of thousands dead.

Quick question.....are you in favor of hitting them before they hit us?

[OzmO]

Quick question.....are you in favor of hitting them before they hit us?

I'm not in favor of pre-emptive aggression unless armies are massing along our borders.

I know you was asking 240, but i responded anyway.

[Mr. Intenseone]

I'm not in favor of pre-emptive aggression unless armies are massing along our borders.

I kinda doubt that would ever happen. So you think we shouldn't have gone after the people responsible for the 9/11 attack? (Rob, no conspiracy therories on this question please)

[Al-Gebra]

I'm not in favor of pre-emptive aggression unless armies are massing along our borders.

I know you was asking 240, but i responded anyway.

yeah, 'cause the Mexicans and Canadians are the ones who hate us . . .

 do you travel abroad much, Ozmo?

[OzmO]

I kinda doubt that would ever happen. So you think we shouldn't have gone after the people responsible for the 9/11 attack? (Rob, no conspiracy therories on this question please)

I've answer this for you several times.  Of Course.  Clobbering (invading Afghnistan) Al Queda who was directly supported by the Taliban who was in charge of Afghanistan was an appropiate response that made perfect sense and allowed us quite a few benefits strategically allowing us to have a larger millitary presence in the area with full justification.

But we got too greedy after wards.

[Deedee]

btw, the flick is not about Bush being assassinated. It's about what would happen, i.e. terrorism part 2, if he was.

[Mr. Intenseone]

I've answer this for you several times.  Of Course.  Clobbering (invading Afghnistan) Al Queda who was directly supported by the Taliban who was in charge of Afghanistan was an appropiate response that made perfect sense and allowed us quite a few benefits strategically allowing us to have a larger millitary presence in the area with full justification.

But we got too greedy after wards.

And you honestly believe that Iraq does have ANY ties with terrorism whatsoever even though Al Queda training facilities were found?

Also, do you think that the war in Iraq was a pre-emptive war?

[OzmO]

yeah, 'cause the Mexicans and Canadians are the ones who hate us . . .

 do you travel abroad much, Ozmo?

Not in the last fews years since 9/11.  Mexicans and Canadians for the most part don;t hate us i believe, not like people int he middle east.    I have about 20 relatives living in Canada and about 20 acquaintances and friends who are Canadians they never have mentionad hate for americans. 

[Mr. Intenseone]

btw, the flick is not about Bush being assassinated. It's about what would happen, i.e. terrorism part 2, if he was.

They just happend use Bush's likeness !

[Mr. Intenseone]

Not in the last fews years since 9/11.  Mexicans and Canadians for the most part don;t hate us i believe, not like people int he middle east.    I have about 20 relatives living in Canada and about 20 acquaintances and friends who are Canadians they never have mentionad hate for americans. 

So Jag is the only one ??

[240 is Back]

Quick question.....are you in favor of hitting them before they hit us?

If we KNOW they want to hit us, and they have the capability, then I am fine with it.

But if the guy is begging for a debate with the TV world, there isn't evidence of weaponized anything, and the only source is a president dying for war, then No.

[Eyeball Chambers]

We never got the man responsible for 9/11. Remember?!?

C.I.A. Closes Unit Focused on Capture of bin Laden
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/04/washington/04intel.html?ex=1309665600&en=3779ed9b98bb9d22&ei=5088

Don't worry though,  we captured Saddam Hussein and are now way safer from Terrorism..... HAHAHAH

[Al-Gebra]

Not in the last fews years since 9/11.  Mexicans and Canadians for the most part don;t hate us i believe, not like people int he middle east.    I have about 20 relatives living in Canada and about 20 acquaintances and friends who are Canadians they never have mentionad hate for americans. 

I was being sarcastic about canadians and mexicans--for all intents and purposes, they are our allies. democratic (mexico relatively), capitalist, christian . . .

the real threat is from out there in the Middle East and other nations who don't share our values.  we can go out there and try to neutralize them, or we can spend the hundreds of billions of dollars on strengthening our own borders so that they can't attack us here.  unfortunately, we seem to be doing neither job very well right now.

[Mr. Intenseone]

We never got the man responsible for 9/11. Remember?!?

C.I.A. Closes Unit Focused on Capture of bin Laden
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/04/washington/04intel.html?ex=1309665600&en=3779ed9b98bb9d22&ei=5088

Don't worry though,  we captured Saddam Hussein and are now way safer from Terrorism..... HAHAHAH

We've caught damn near everyone but Bin Laden!

Can you please quote from someone other than the NY Times, maybe someone more credible?



Hope this helps!

[240 is Back]

I kinda doubt that would ever happen. So you think we shouldn't have gone after the people responsible for the 9/11 attack? (Rob, no conspiracy therories on this question please)

Absolutely.  Those who planned, executed, allowed, and prevented the full investigation of the vents of 911 should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

[Eyeball Chambers]

the real threat is from out there in the Middle East and other nations who don't share our values.

There a threat cause they don't share our values?

[240 is Back]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,202035,00.html

NEW YORK — The CIA says efforts to hunt down Usama bin Laden are as strong as ever, despite a report that the agency has shut down a unit that hunted for the Al Qaeda leader and his top lieutenants.

The New York Times reports the unit, known as Alec Station, was disbanded late last year and two dozen analysts were reassigned within the CIA Counterterrorist Center.

Intelligence officials said the realignment reflects a view that Al Qaeda is no longer as hierarchical as it once was, as well as a growing concern about Al Qaeda-inspired groups that have begun carrying out attacks independent of bin Laden and his top deputy, Ayman al-Zawahiri.

The recent book "Ghost Wars" says some in the CIA were uncomfortable with the unit, saying its zeal for capturing bin Laden took on a cult-like atmosphere.

Agency officials said that tracking bin Laden and his deputies remained a high priority, and that the decision to disband the unit was not a sign that the effort had slackened.

"This is an agile agency, and the decision was made to ensure greater reach and focus," CIA spokeswoman Jennifer Millerwise Dyck told the paper.

[OzmO]

And you honestly believe that Iraq does have ANY ties with terrorism whatsoever even though Al Queda training facilities were found?

Also, do you think that the war in Iraq was a pre-emptive war?

Training facilities were found.  Yes.  (you'd find the same facillites in many other countries right now and back then too) But you have to look at the situtation of that country prior to us invading it. 

-  Sadaam had an iron grip on the country.  Anyone who tried to do even a 10th of what's going on there now and he'd have squashed them quickly and ruthlessly.  Now look at what's happening there?  we are hunker down and troops are dying every day. 
-  Sadaam wasn't going to do anything to jepordize his power base becuase he knew we were itching for a fight.  So he wouldn't have allowed Al-Queda to operate there no where near the way it is operating RIGHT NOW.  the only why Al-Queda could have exsisted was to the level he could have justified his inabillity to control them to the US.  that's all.  which would have been very very little.

So attacking them was purely about something else using the WMD and Terrorist as the justification to the American public.

Was our invasion pre-emptive?  We attacked them, and invaded their country.  Have we in our history ever done somethinglike that?  To me, we always get hit first and then beat the shit out them afterwards.  What we did there to me is Un-American.

You ever read "Art of War?"  You should.  You'll see that we aren't using a very sound stratagy there form the beggining to now.

[240 is Back]

Absolutely.  Those who planned, executed, allowed, and prevented the full investigation of the events of 911 should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

That being said...

Nineteen arab men were involved.
Condi had prior knowledge of plane trouble that morning.
Pentagon brass all cancelled their flights that morning.

Let's start moving down the list of those who need to be investigated!

[OzmO]

That being said...

Nineteen arab men were involved.
Condi had prior knowledge of plane trouble that morning.
Pentagon brass all cancelled their flights that morning.

Let's start moving down the list of those who need to be investigated!

Ok, now apply what condiditons would have to exsists for these things to happen.....  and then determine if any of them are too unlikely.

For example:

What is the intellengence protocol that supplies Condi with daily intellegence information.  Who is invovled and how many people are involved. 

Who would know she knew if she did in fact know?

[Al-Gebra]

There a threat cause they don't share our values?

ever been to the Middle East, Turkey . . . Pakistan, India?

[240 is Back]

Ok, now apply what condiditons would have to exsists for these things to happen.....  and then determine if any of them are too unlikely.

For example:
What is the intellengence protocol that supplies Condi with daily intellegence information.  Who is invovled and how many people are involved. 
Who would know she knew if she did in fact know?

nothing is too unlikely in this world, my friend.  You can never put anything past anyone.  hitler exterminated 6 million people, right?   Stalin killed 20+ M, right?

Sacrificing 3000 is a drop in the bucket for some people, if it means gaining cntrol over alarger fraction of the world's most precious resource

Let's ask condi how she knew to tell Willie brown not to fly.  Then let's ask whoever she points to.

Let's ask the pentagon joint chiefs of staff how they knew not to fly the next morning.   who told them? Why?  Details, please.

[a_joker10]

Was our invasion pre-emptive?  We attacked them, and invaded their country.  Have we in our history ever done somethinglike that?  To me, we always get hit first and then beat the shit out them afterwards.  What we did there to me is Un-American.

Vietnam, Cuba (Bay of Pigs), Grenada, Panama, Canada (1812), Spanish American War.

I am sure there are others.

Iraq seems pretty American to me.

Carry on.

[OzmO]

Vietnam, Cuba (Bay of Pigs), Grenada, Panama, Canada (1812), Spanish American War.

I am sure there are others.

Iraq seems pretty American to me.

Carry on.

I could be woring here but.....

Vietnam:  We did not invade a country.  South Veitnam was our ally and they wanted us there. 

Cuba:  Bay of pigs was a war we did not participate in militarily.  That was the reason it failed.  At the last minute JFK dicided not to provide air cover.

Was Granada calssified as a  country?

Canada:  We were at war wit England and Canada was their allies at the time.  (i'm really not too sure about this)  lol

Spanish American War.....  They sunk a ship of ours in Manila Bay right?  Started with an "L"  That's what srtated it.

Panama, well that might be the only other one...

Keep looking  Joker