On Cormier's "potential".

[Matt C]

Discuss.

[Hulkster]

"potential' is just another way of saying "you are not good enough"

[Hedgehog]

You're always bound to get these kinds of discussions when there are guys half-assing everything, yet accomplishing incredible results.

Be it bodybuilding, or whatever.

I think they're pretty fun.

Michael Jordan is pretty much the only guy who had the total package, didn't lack in any area. He was perfect. He was a winner. Physically, as well as mentally.

Everyone else seems to have had at least one weakness.

Even Tiger Woods.

YIP
Zack

[Hulkster]

That too!  I find people use it to pretend people are something they are not, maybe for comfort or something.

Hey, has NarcissisticDeity been posting lately or is he on a getbig sabatacle?

ND has basically been look like a fool to the point where he is probably embarrassed to show himself on these boards again.

The growing video/clip evidence clearly proving every single thing he ever said about 1999 Ronnie as being wrong probably was too much.

that and the fact that Dorian's asshole was not loose enough yet

he has to keep working at it ya know

[Hulkster]

ps I am sure ND will surface again. He has to keep bashing Ronnie in order to live. Its like oxygen to that guy!

[fathead]

I've been having this discussion with more than one person lately on "potential" and who has potential and how sometimes people do the exact opposite of what you would think they would one way or another.

In my opinion, potential means precisely nothing.  In Cormier's case, "he could beat Coleman if he tried" and all this nonsense - so WHAT?  Does that change the fact that he ISN'T trying?  That he is pissing away his alleged but completely unproven ability to dethrone Coleman?  Instead of busting his ass in the gym, eating a grocery store, and upping the GH and steroid intake like Coleman has been doing he would rather party year round and do lines of blow off the backs on multiple fitness babes before sleeping with them (probably all of them at once).

Point is, it doesn't mean diddly squat that Cormier has "potential" because he will take this "potential" to the grave instead of to the stage.  Coleman will be walking on stage at 305 shredded and Cormier will be puking out 10 pounds of fullness and copius E's and blaming it on a stomach virus.

In short - potential is a MEANINGLESS word.  It describes something that shouldn't even really be discussed to begin with.

Discuss.

Legal Disclaimer: I have no idea if pro bodybuilders use drugs. 

I pick doing lines off a fitness broad over bodybuilding anyday. I've done both and the first choice was soooo much better.

[BroadStreetBruiser]

You're always bound to get these kinds of discussions when there are guys half-assing everything, yet accomplishing incredible results.

Be it bodybuilding, or whatever.

I think they're pretty fun.

Michael Jordan is pretty much the only guy who had the total package, didn't lack in any area. He was perfect. He was a winner. Physically, as well as mentally.

Everyone else seems to have had at least one weakness.

Even Tiger Woods.

YIP
Zack

Please explain how Michael Jordan is better then Tiger Woods relative to their own chosen sport? Tiger Woods DOMINATES

[alexxx]

I've been having this discussion with more than one person lately on "potential" and who has potential and how sometimes people do the exact opposite of what you would think they would one way or another.

In my opinion, potential means precisely nothing.  In Cormier's case, "he could beat Coleman if he tried" and all this nonsense - so WHAT?  Does that change the fact that he ISN'T trying?  That he is pissing away his alleged but completely unproven ability to dethrone Coleman?  Instead of busting his ass in the gym, eating a grocery store, and upping the GH and steroid intake like Coleman has been doing he would rather party year round and do lines of blow off the backs on multiple fitness babes before sleeping with them (probably all of them at once).

Point is, it doesn't mean diddly squat that Cormier has "potential" because he will take this "potential" to the grave instead of to the stage.  Coleman will be walking on stage at 305 shredded and Cormier will be puking out 10 pounds of fullness and copius E's and blaming it on a stomach virus.

In short - potential is a MEANINGLESS word.  It describes something that shouldn't even really be discussed to begin with.

Discuss.

Legal Disclaimer: I have no idea if pro bodybuilders use drugs. 

I didn't really read your whole post but I saw through the keywords.. potention... thread... useless.. I think this really sums it up!

[alexxx]

Hey bitch, you may be half a foot taller than me but at least I outweigh you by 50 pounds. 

lol please please post a comparison pic so that we may all get an ab workout laughin so hard it hurts@!!

[Hedgehog]

Please explain how Michael Jordan is better then Tiger Woods relative to their own chosen sport? Tiger Woods DOMINATES

I'm aware that Jordan himself stated back in 97 that Tiger was his only hero...

Still, I believe Jordan gets too little credit for the incredible athlete he was, he was a scoring machine, a team leader, great defensive player. But what made him, was how he always managed to come up on top in every fcuking situation on the court.

I still remember when he went into traffic against Divac, Worthy and Perkins of the Lakers way back, and pulled down the ball, then flipped it up with his left, after what seemed like an eternity.

He was an artist, or rather, The Artist.

Tiger, for all his dominance, never has to deal with the Pistons "Jordan Rules" and other classic anthics. Tiger may be the greatest second to Jordan.

But Michael Jordan is quite probably the greatest athlete ever.

Yes, even greater than Jim Thorpe.

Sorry for not being able to answer your question more directly. I understand those who don't  see the excellence of Jordan. But it's a great pity.

YIP
Zack

[alexxx]

What would that prove?  Everyone on here already knows that you dwarf me.........in height. 

pussy pussy pussy pussy

[pumpster]

Two types of potential:

1/ Deserved-Dillet

2/ Imaginary, no basis whatsoever in reality-Cormier. Even if he trained hard, the usual excuse, I see nothing there to justify the hype or any indication that he would be that much better for it. This type of potential's unprovable thus the rhetoric lingers.

Please explain how Michael Jordan is better then Tiger Woods relative to their own chosen sport? Tiger Woods DOMINATES

Jordan was consistent, Woods is quite erratic. That's beside the fact as has already been mentioned, there's more to being an all-round basketball player, though that's just an opinion.

Jordan has gotten abundant acolades.

Best athlete of all time? Too many to unequivocally say Jordan.

[arkk]

Matt u post way too much, and always with these theoretical and philosophical posts that try to get all deep into bodybuilding.  It isn't rocket science.

[Stavios]

I hate the word potential

potential means jack shit if the guy who actually has some does nothing with it

[Beener]

Two types of potential:

1/ Deserved-Dillet

DILLET? Give me a break, he looks liek SHIT, hes right up there wiht Gregory Kovacs.

[Yev33]

I think that Chris has a great physique  and possibly could have won an Olympia but let's be realistic, Chris has been competing since he was a teen, he has been a pro for over 10 years, if he hasn't realized his potential by now, he probably never will.

[willie mosconi]

I think that Chris has a great physique  and possibly could have won an Olympia but let's be realistic, Chris has been competing since he was a teen, he has been a pro for over 10 years, if he hasn't realized his potential by now, he probably never will.

Look, Chris DID live up to his potential at certain really significant points in his career.

If bodybuilding were actually objective, Cormier would be a one-time Mr O (99) and a two-time ASC champ. But alas, life isn't fair

[Wombat]

Look, Chris DID live up to his potential at certain really significant points in his career.

If bodybuilding were actually objective, Cormier would be a one-time Mr O (99) and a two-time ASC champ. But alas, life isn't fair

agree...If they actually judged a show the way the criteria was written....Chris would be the guy to beat...

[Bigger Business]

Wayne Gretzky is the highest achieving athlete in his field of all time

he makes Michael Jordan look like a 2 bit street baller as far as statistics go

[chris-a]

blockhead - would you say cormier's lack of reached potential has anything to do with;
a) his cell
b) his 'boos'
or a combination of the two?

[Samourai Pizzacat]

Potential simply means that a person has a genetic advantage in a certain or more fields, mental and/or physical. To know how big this advantage is, is impossible. Our genetic makeup, our genotype defines our possibilities given perfect circumstances. In practice what we see is our fenotype, it's what has actually become of our possibilities. 

The problem with potential is that it can only be wasted. Our potential can never be achieved a 100%, we can try but we might overtrain, undersleep, undereat, etc etc. And while we are chasing one talent, we are neglecting others. Our genotype holds enormous possibilities but we are always forced to only pick a few of those in which to possible excell in.

Cormier does have genetic potential: a great structure and excellent response to training and juice. He might be getting 75% out his potential, whilst Ronnie is probably pushing 90% or something like that. We all know that the difference is made in the last few %.

[ether]

Wayne Gretzky is the highest achieving athlete in his field of all time

he makes Michael Jordan look like a 2 bit street baller as far as statistics go

Yeah, plus he has the tens of ice hockey fans to support him.

All Jordan ever did was win 6 championships, about a million MVP's and Allstar games, an olympic gold medal and an NCAA championship with the tarheels.

But ur right, i'm sure jordan would trade the fact that he is the most recognizable athlete worldwide after Pele and maradona, the billiions he's made with nike for the Ford Canada and Tim Hortons coffee endorsements and the opportunity to coach the phoenix hockey team.

[Bigger Business]

Yeah, plus he has the tens of ice hockey fans to support him.

All Jordan ever did was win 6 championships, about a million MVP's and Allstar games, an olympic gold medal and an NCAA championship with the tarheels.

But ur right, i'm sure jordan would trade the fact that he is the most recognizable athlete worldwide after Pele and maradona, the billiions he's made with nike for the Ford Canada and Tim Hortons coffee endorsements and the opportunity to coach the phoenix hockey team.

what matt c said

ps Wayne Gretzky retired with 61 NHL records

[jaejonna]

People forget he is only behind Vince Taylor and Ronnie Coleman in career pro wins....out of everyone who has ever stepped on stage ...hmmmm yeah unfullfilled potential huh ...

[benjamin pearson]

Cormier is a legend. The guy looks sick, and was even mentioned in the movie John Q. Some may not like his attitude but his physique speeks for itself