PDI Admendment Chick ??

[jaejonna]

ITEM 1

AMENDMENT OF SECT 1.7

Amendment of section 1.7   of the IFBB Pro League rules. Athletes WILL be allowed to make appearances on behalf of companies they represent and/ or as individuals to: (including but not limited to) non –sanctioned events, expo’s, guest posing, appearances, seminars, openings, etc. As IFBB athletes are listed as “independent contractors” by our own IFBB by laws and therefore cannot be limited in their ability to make a living from being a professional.

Athlete would be required to be a IFBB athlete in good standing, and any and all promotional items, advertisements, etc linked to said event(s) would require that athlete be billed and represented as an IFBB athlete.


Is this a provision to the current IFBB rule book that if sanctioned would allow athletes to compete in the PDI without fear of not being able to compete in the IFBB ??

[Chick]

No, it's got nothing to do with COMPETING in non-sanctioned events...

[Lift Studios]

It's pretty obvious no one in the IFBB gives a rat ass about competing in the PDI at this point.

[nycbull]

So then Lee can go to the PDI, guest pose, promote himself and his products in the lobby and still be able to do the Olympia, and be judged fairly?

[Chick]

That would be tough to do, being that the PDI show is BEFORE the meeting where my agenda gets voted on...at THIS point, if he were to do that, he would be suspended.

[240 is Back]

Hold the meeting early.  Teleconferencing has come a long way!

[Jr. Yates]

Hold the meeting early.  Teleconferencing has come a long way!

very true.

[Original Sin]

Hold the meeting early.  Teleconferencing has come a long way!

This won't help with Lee's "infection". So he still won't be on the stage anyway.

[jaejonna]

Does it matter, those same laws sgo in the same book that forbids using steroids

... hahaha monster no regard for the law hahaha

[VGalanti]

It's pretty obvious no one in the IFBB gives a rat ass about competing in the PDI at this point.

YEAH....I dont know what I was thinking....thanks Chick for talking sense into me.

[HICKSON]

Hold the meeting early.  Teleconferencing has come a long way!

That would require actual knowledge of the teleconferencing technology..

[Chick]

Hold the meeting early.  Teleconferencing has come a long way!

It's not my meeting to hold...it's the IFBB Board of Governors meeting, thats where these get presented and voted on.

[jaejonna]

Forget the rules, Chick do you think an athlete like Lee should be able to compete in both the NOC and Mr. O...if it was up to you ?

[HICKSON]

Forget the rules, Chick do you think an athlete like Lee should be able to compete in both the NOC and Mr. O...if it was up to you ?

Yes, all petty bullshit aside! Do you?

[Chick]

If I owned the IFBB...no.

As it is...I could care less. There isn't any money to be made anywhere else anyways....meaning: even if guys were allowed to compete elsewhere...I doubt many would.

[MikeThaMachine]

If I owned the IFBB...no.

As it is...I could care less. There isn't any money to be made anywhere else anyways....meaning: even if guys were allowed to compete elsewhere...I doubt many would.

But if you owned it would you make sure the athletes are paid more so they don't feel the need to venture outside of the IFBB?

[jaejonna]

If I owned the IFBB...no.

As it is...I could care less. There isn't any money to be made anywhere else anyways....meaning: even if guys were allowed to compete elsewhere...I doubt many would.

why would you not let them compete somewhere else ? the "i could care less/ no money" argument doesnt explain the rationale... i know if I owned the IFBB I would let them compete cause it would give other org. a chance to expand the sport, without doing any work.... in the phamaceutical business they do awareness campaigns for stuff like say, diabetes..they raise awareness so people go to the Dr. and get prescribed the drug. Why doesnt the IFBB follow that same mentality...create an increased awareness in the sport over the whole population so that the market is larger, if you guys are the better org. , people will recognize that anyways..

[mrsirjojo]

why would you not let them compete somewhere else ? the "i could care less/ no money" argument doesnt explain the rationale... i know if I owned the IFBB I would let them compete cause it would give other org. a chance to expand the sport, without doing any work.... in the phamaceutical business they do awareness campaigns for stuff like say, diabetes..they raise awareness so people go to the Dr. and get prescribed the drug. Why doesnt the IFBB follow that same mentality...create an increased awareness in the sport over the whole population so that the market is larger, if you guys are the better org. , people will recognize that anyways..

Sure, Microsoft got huge, made thousands of other companies rich and still stayed the biggest. But people needed software. It improved their lives.
Unlike software, the demand for bodybuilding is already as high as it can get, and allowing other organizations to come in would not increase the size of the pie, it would just give the IFBB a smaller piece of it. Bodybuilding will always have a fringe following. Any getbigger knows that most people find a professional BB's body to be gross, and that's just their in-season look!

[jaejonna]

Sure, Microsoft got huge, made thousands of other companies rich and still stayed the biggest. But people needed software. It improved their lives.
Unlike software, the demand for bodybuilding is already as high as it can get, and allowing other organizations to come in would not increase the size of the pie, it would just give the IFBB a smaller piece of it. Bodybuilding will always have a fringe following. Any getbigger knows that most people find a professional BB's body to be gross, and that's just their in-season look!

I dont think BB is doing itself right by marketing guys like Ruhl and Cutler ..those guys are gross ... but there is a whole bunch of people waiting to discover the sport...

[Chick]

why would you not let them compete somewhere else ? the "i could care less/ no money" argument doesnt explain the rationale... i know if I owned the IFBB I would let them compete cause it would give other org. a chance to expand the sport, without doing any work.... in the phamaceutical business they do awareness campaigns for stuff like say, diabetes..they raise awareness so people go to the Dr. and get prescribed the drug. Why doesnt the IFBB follow that same mentality...create an increased awareness in the sport over the whole population so that the market is larger, if you guys are the better org. , people will recognize that anyways..

It absolutely explains the rational....

There are only a handful of "best in the world" out there...no one really cares to spend money/ support the rest, so it's a HUGE advantage for the IFBB to keep the best in THEIR company...not spread them out so that anyone else can make money for themselves...it's basic business 101.

MY issues are with making it a win/win for the IFBB and the athletes...So far, I've been very successful in getting changes made in the athletes best interests, and making more money for them in the process.

The whole world knows that BB exsists...more federations isn't going to make them like it anymore than they do....we need to appeal to our OWN fans, first and foremost...not worry about the general public which isn't interested anyway.

[mrsirjojo]

I dont think BB is doing itself right by marketing guys like Ruhl and Cutler ..those guys are gross ... but there is a whole bunch of people waiting to discover the sport...

Even the so-called aesthetic guys are considered gross in the mainstream. I know that's hard to believe, but it's true. Hell, even large natural guys you may see at the gym are not that well liked. The preferred "look" for the fans can vacillate between freaky and aesthetic all it wants..neither appeals to the average Joe. The IFBB knows that. So does Chic, it would seem.

[knny187]

It absolutely explains the rational....

There are only a handful of "best in the world" out there...no one really cares to spend money/ support the rest, so it's a HUGE advantage for the IFBB to keep the best in THEIR company...not spread them out so that anyone else can make money for themselves...it's basic business 101.

MY issues are with making it a win/win for the IFBB and the athletes...So far, I've been very successful in getting changes made in the athletes best interests, and making more money for them in the process.

The whole world knows that BB exsists...more federations isn't going to make them like it anymore than they do....we need to appeal to our OWN fans, first and foremost...not worry about the general public which isn't interested anyway.

I can compare this is something similar to the NFL.  When Vince tried the XFL...it seemed to open a new door but it only ended up hurting the players in the end....just like the WBF.

I can understand how a federation of any (sport/industry) would not wanting it's peeps dabling into another competitor's venue.  It's no different than an IBM employee not affiliating itself with Apple in any way. 

What I don't like...is the thought that there's only "one" option.  There should always be a free trade industry where anyone that has the knowledge, money, & know how can feel free to start their own organization.  A monoply does not nor does it ever benefit the little guy down in the trenches.

[Crusher]

No, it's got nothing to do with COMPETING in non-sanctioned events...

You are wrong, Chick it says "(including but not limited to)" and " etc."  By virtue of omission, "Competing" would have to be included.  Loose wording, won't hold up in court, Lee can compete, and, as you say, "case closed."

[nycbull]

I can compare this is something similar to the NFL.  When Vince tried the XFL...it seemed to open a new door but it only ended up hurting the players in the end....just like the WBF.

I can understand how a federation of any (sport/industry) would not wanting it's peeps dabling into another competitor's venue.  It's no different than an IBM employee not affiliating itself with Apple in any way. 

What I don't like...is the thought that there's only "one" option.  There should always be a free trade industry where anyone that has the knowledge, money, & know how can feel free to start their own organization.  A monoply does not nor does it ever benefit the little guy down in the trenches.

Can the IFBB be accused of starting a monopoly in a court of law. They do seem to unfairly interfer with other organizations trying to get started, even on this board.

[Colossus_1986]

It absolutely explains the rational....

There are only a handful of "best in the world" out there...no one really cares to spend money/ support the rest, so it's a HUGE advantage for the IFBB to keep the best in THEIR company...not spread them out so that anyone else can make money for themselves...it's basic business 101.

MY issues are with making it a win/win for the IFBB and the athletes...So far, I've been very successful in getting changes made in the athletes best interests, and making more money for them in the process.

The whole world knows that BB exsists...more federations isn't going to make them like it anymore than they do....we need to appeal to our OWN fans, first and foremost...not worry about the general public which isn't interested anyway.

those bastards....