Nolva, Clomid, and HCG

[Beener]

Hey y'all.

My question is about PCT.  There are threads talking about Nolva, Clomid, and HCG, but none which say what they are and what each is best for. Well i know nolva is good durin a cycle if you start growin tits, but when should one use Clomid and HCG?

I know you're all gonna say "use the search button, queerbait" and i have. it just say "k use some clomin n hcg" but not for what kinda cycles. How does someone know when to use all or one etc.


Thanks,
Keep it real

[Arnold jr]

http://www.steroid.com/Clomid.php
http://www.steroid.com/HCG.php
http://www.steroid.com/Nolvadex.php
http://www.steroid.com/Arimidex.php
http://www.steroid.com/Aromasin.php
http://www.steroid.com/Letrozole.php

[Beener]

You're a good man, Arnold Jr.

[sportingsteroids]

of course he is . !

[schwarzenpecker]

I read the steroid.com report. So now they're saying you have to take Nolvadex with HCG, the HCG won't work by itself. Why is this? Why not take Nolvadex by itself after a cycle to boost testosterone?

[sportingsteroids]

i would use HCG alone !!

[Arnold jr]

I read the steroid.com report. So now they're saying you have to take Nolvadex with HCG, the HCG won't work by itself. Why is this? Why not take Nolvadex by itself after a cycle to boost testosterone?

I agree with you sporting. Those profiles were written by Anthony Roberts, he's the guy you may remember that is pushing the use of Aromisin as part of PCT...in that Plan HCG, Aromisin and Nolva are all used. Personally, I do not agree with the idea, at least I'm not convinced 100%. But over-all, most of his info in all the drug profiles is pretty accurate...Roberts does have a good bit if knowledge concerning AAS. One thing that he advocates that a lot of people on here might disagree with, is the use of t-3 when running tren, be it a bulking or cutting cycle. I was unsure of this for a while, but after doing this myself, I am convinced...here is what he says exactly:

"Ironically, even though Tren is an excellent contest prep drug, it lowers your thyroid level(23), and this raises prolactin. I recommend taking T3 (25mcgs/day) along with your Tren to avoid elevating your prolactin too high via this route."

(23)Res Vet Sci. 1981 Jan;30(1):7-13.

[Luv2Hurt]

I read the steroid.com report. So now they're saying you have to take Nolvadex with HCG, the HCG won't work by itself. Why is this? Why not take Nolvadex by itself after a cycle to boost testosterone?

If you are gonna take any PCT drug alone it should be Nolvadex.  HCG uses an entirely different mechanism and nothing can be substituted for it.  Im starting to get the impression that people think they do the same thing?

To get recovered from a shut down HCG by itself will not do that!!  They are correct you will need Nolva.  It will help control rebounding estrogen levels and stimulate the hypothalumus to produce GnRH.  High estrogen levels at the end of the cycle and during PCT will spell disaster in your keeping gains, sex life, mood and getting natural test flowing again.

If you wanna know when you have recovered natural test levels the really only way to know is to have your blood work done.  Once you have waited a couple months and things are back in the normal range, then you can say you are recovered.  Too many people will jump back on too soon and never really recover natural test production.  Its this yo-yo effect that makes it harder and harder to recover each time you try.  It will realistically take at least 6 months to really get back to normal and thats if you do everything right.  People are gonna say "not me I recover in 6-8 weeks" but they have no clue, like I said get the hormones tested and really see where you are.

Either that or lots of time for the body to return to normal.

[schwarzenpecker]

If you are gonna take any PCT drug alone it should be Nolvadex.  HCG uses an entirely different mechanism and nothing can be substituted for it.  Im starting to get the impression that people think they do the same thing?

To get recovered from a shut down HCG by itself will not do that!!  They are correct you will need Nolva.  It will help control rebounding estrogen levels and stimulate the hypothalumus to produce GnRH.  High estrogen levels at the end of the cycle and during PCT will spell disaster in your keeping gains, sex life, mood and getting natural test flowing again.

If you wanna know when you have recovered natural test levels the really only way to know is to have your blood work done.  Once you have waited a couple months and things are back in the normal range, then you can say you are recovered.  Too many people will jump back on too soon and never really recover natural test production.  Its this yo-yo effect that makes it harder and harder to recover each time you try.  It will realistically take at least 6 months to really get back to normal and thats if you do everything right.  People are gonna say "not me I recover in 6-8 weeks" but they have no clue, like I said get the hormones tested and really see where you are.

Either that or lots of time for the body to return to normal.

I'm not coming off a cycle, I only want to boost my own natural testosterone production. I heard HCG by itself is good for that.

[Luv2Hurt]

Yes it will increase test output and thats why you will need nolva cause of increased aromatase.

I would not recommend this though.  You see any time you introduce unnecessary drugs to your system you will throw other things out of wack, HCG is no different.  You don't want your body to start relying on drugs to function.  Because the natural processes will be halted, much like taking gear.  The increases you will see from this HCG therapy will not bring about steroid like gains, if that is what you seek?

[schwarzenpecker]

Yes it will increase test output and thats why you will need nolva cause of increased aromatase.

I would not recommend this though.  You see any time you introduce unnecessary drugs to your system you will throw other things out of wack, HCG is no different.  You don't want your body to start relying on drugs to function.  Because the natural processes will be halted, much like taking gear.  The increases you will see from this HCG therapy will not bring about steroid like gains, if that is what you seek?

I'm not looking for steroid like gains, only to boost my libido, I'm 43. I want to take the HCG to kick start my own testosterone production. I'm only going to take 5000iu's over 10 days.

[Luv2Hurt]

Consider HRT then, have you had your hormone levels tested?  That and some Viagra will work wonders.