In the old days if a guy had a weak bodypart we said he had no arms, or calves. Seems to me Ron has suspect calves and from the back there is harldy any separation or striations in the calves. Jay has huge calves and they look like they are supposed to look like. Why on earth would judges give a title to a guy with a weak bodypart when another competitor has no weaknesses and is almost the same size? Sure Ron looks unreal. He amazes everyone. However, his calves are weak and his overall shape is not what I call a beautiful shape. Jay wins again because his shape is more pleasant. If you look at those photos of Jay then it is clear that every muscle seems large and full. Quite an achievement. The Olympia seems to go to the guy with the best back since about 1983. I don't think that is right but that is what has happened. Jay looks a clear winner there and let us hope the judges don't deny him this year. I have had enough of the bizarre physiques winning the Olympia.