Brixtonbulldog, I applaud you. Some people must feel tough when they say "if your gunna use something, use the real thing, get the juice out", because I have read that line in these forums countless times - well I am hear to try and help someone, who has a question about legal gear, because maybe they have a good reason not to use the "real stuff" - and the answer is that legal gear works. I know this by hearing other peoples comments on it and by being in the medical field and by talking with doctors of medicine and pharmacy as to the ingredients in some of the products.