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« on: September 22, 2006, 08:02:18 PM »
With Full Permission Granted, here is a full copy of the speech given today by Iranian President Ahmadinejad before the U.N. General.

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Madam President,
Distinguished Heads of State and Government,
Distinguished Heads of Delegation,
Excellencies, Ladies and Gentlemen

I praise the Merciful, All-Knowing and Almighty God for blessing me with another opportunity to address this Assembly on behalf of the great nation of Iran and to bring a number of issues to the attention of the international community.

I also praise the Almighty for the increasing vigilance of peoples across the globe, their courageous presence in different international settings, and the brave expression of their views and aspirations regarding global issues.

Today, humanity passionately craves commitment to the Truth, devotion to God, quest for Justice and respect for the dignity of human beings. Rejection of domination and aggression, defense of the oppressed. And longing for peace constitute the legitimate demand of the peoples of the world, particularly the new generations and the spirited youth, who aspire a world free from decadence, aggression and injustice, and replete with love and compassion. The youth have a right to seek justice and the Truth; and they have a right to build their own future on the foundations of love, compassion and tranquility. And, I praise the Almighty for this immense blessing.


Madame President,
Excellencies,

What afflicts humanity today is certainly not compatible with human dignity; the Almighty has not created human beings so that they could transgress against others and oppress them.

By causing war and conflict, some are fast expanding their domination, accumulating greater wealth and usurping all the resources, while others endure the resulting poverty, suffering and misery.

Some seek to rule the world relying on weapons and threats, while others live in perpetual insecurity and danger.

Some occupy the homeland of others, thousands of kilometers away from their borders, interfere in their affairs and control their oil and other resources and strategic routes, while others are bombarded daily in their own homes; their children murdered in the streets and alleys of their own country and their homes reduced to rubble.

Such behavior is not worthy of human beings and runs counter to the Truth, to justice and to human dignity. The fundamental question is that under such conditions, where should the oppressed seek justice? Who or what organization defends the rights of the oppressed, and suppresses acts of aggression and oppression? Where is the seat of global justice?

A brief glance at a few examples of the most pressing global issues can further illustrate the problem.

A. The unbridled expansion of nuclear, chemical and biological weapons

Some powers proudly announce their production of second and third generations of nuclear weapons. What do they need these weapons for? Is the development and stockpiling of these deadly weapons designed to promote peace and democracy? Or, are these weapons, in fact, instruments of coercion and threat against other peoples and governments? How long should the people of the world live with the nightmare of nuclear, biological and chemical weapons? What bounds the powers producing and possessing these weapons? How can they be held accountable before the international community? And, are the inhabitants of these countries content with the waste of their wealth and resources for the production of such destructive arsenals? Is it not possible to rely on justice, ethics and wisdom instead of these instruments of death? Aren’t wisdom and justice more compatible with peace and tranquility than nuclear, chemical and biological weapons? If wisdom, ethics and justice prevail, then oppression and aggression will be uprooted, threats will wither away and no reason will remain for conflict. This is a solid proposition because most global conflicts emanate from injustice, and from the powerful, not being contented with their own rights, striving to devour the rights of others.
People across the globe embrace justice and are willing to sacrifice for its sake.

Would it not be easier for global powers to ensure their longevity and win hearts and minds through the championing of real promotion of justice, compassion and peace, than through continuing the proliferation of nuclear and chemical weapons and the threat of their use?

The experience of the threat and the use of nuclear weapons is before us. Has it achieved anything for the perpetrators other than exacerbation of tension, hatred and animosity among nations?

B. Occupation of countries and exacerbation of hostilities

Occupation of countries, including Iraq, has continued for the last three years. Not a day goes by without hundreds of people getting killed in cold blood. The occupiers are incapable of establishing security in Iraq. Despite the establishment of the lawful Government and National Assembly of Iraq, there are covert and overt efforts to heighten insecurity, magnify and aggravate differences within Iraqi society, and instigate civil strife.

There is no indication that the occupiers have the necessary political will to eliminate the sources of instability. Numerous terrorists were apprehended by the Government of Iraq, only to be let loose under various pretexts by the occupiers.

It seems that intensification of hostilities and terrorism serves as a pretext for the continued presence of foreign forces in Iraq.

Where can the people of Iraq seek refuge, and from whom should the Government of Iraq seek justice?

Who can ensure Iraq's security? Insecurity in Iraq affects the entire region. Can the Security Council play a role in restoring peace and security in Iraq, while the occupiers are themselves permanent members of the Council? Can the Security Council adopt a fair decision in this regard?

Consider the situation in Palestine:

The roots of the Palestinian problem go back to the Second World War. Under the pretext of protecting some of the survivors of that War, the land of Palestine was occupied through war, aggression and the displacement of millions of its inhabitants; it was placed under the control of some of the War survivors, bringing even larger population groups from elsewhere in the world, who had not been even affected by the Second World War; and a government was established in the territory of others with a population collected from across the world at the expense of driving millions of the rightful inhabitants of the land into a Diaspora and homelessness. This is a great tragedy with hardly a precedent in history. Refugees continue to live in temporary refugee camps, and many have died still hoping to one day return to their land. Can any logic, law or legal reasoning justify this tragedy? Can any member of the United Nations accept such a tragedy occurring in their own homeland?

The pretexts for the creation of the regime occupying Al-Qods Al-Sharif are so weak that its proponents want to silence any voice trying to merely speak about them, as they are concerned that shedding light on the facts would undermine the raison d'ętre of this regime, as it has. The tragedy does not end with the establishment of a regime in the territory of others. Regrettably, from its inception, that regime has been a constant source of threat and insecurity in the Middle East region, waging war and spilling blood and impeding the progress of regional countries, and has also been used by some powers as an instrument of division, coercion, and pressure on the people of the region. Reference to these historical realities may cause some disquiet among supporters of this regime. But these are sheer facts and not myth. History has unfolded before our eyes.

Worst yet, is the blanket and unwarranted support provided to this regime.

Just watch what is happening in the Palestinian land. People are being bombarded in their own homes and their children murdered in their own streets and alleys. But no authority, not even the Security Council, can afford them any support or protection. Why?

At the same time, a Government is formed democratically and through the free choice of the electorate in a part of the Palestinian territory. But instead of receiving the support of the so-called champions of democracy, its Ministers and Members of Parliament are illegally abducted and incarcerated in full view of the international community.

Which council or international organization stands up to protect this brutally besieged Government? And why can't the Security Council take any steps?

Let me here address Lebanon:

For thirty-three long days, the Lebanese lived under the barrage of fire and bombs and close to 1.5 million of them were displaced; meanwhile some members of the Security Council practically chose a path that provided ample opportunity for the aggressor to achieve its objectives militarily. We witnessed that the Security Council of the United Nations was practically incapacitated by certain powers to even call for a ceasefire. The Security Council sat idly by for so many days, witnessing the cruel scenes of atrocities against the Lebanese while tragedies such as Qana were persistently repeated. Why?

In all these cases, the answer is self-evident. When the power behind the hostilities is itself a permanent member of the Security Council, how then can this Council fulfill its responsibilities?

C. Lack of respect for the rights of members of the international community

Excellencies,

I now wish to refer to some of the grievances of the Iranian people and speak to the injustices against them.

The Islamic Republic of Iran is a member of the IAEA and is committed to the NPT. All our nuclear activities are transparent, peaceful and under the watchful eyes of IAEA inspectors. Why then are there objections to our legally recognized rights? Which governments object to these rights? Governments that themselves benefit from nuclear energy and the fuel cycle. Some of them have abused nuclear technology for non-peaceful ends including the production of nuclear bombs, and some even have a bleak record of using them against humanity.

Which organization or Council should address these injustices? Is the Security Council in a position to address them? Can it stop violations of the inalienable rights of countries? Can it prevent certain powers from impeding scientific progress of other countries?

The abuse of the Security Council, as an instrument of threat and coercion, is indeed a source of grave concern.

Some permanent members of the Security Council, even when they are themselves parties to international disputes, conveniently threaten others with the Security Council and declare, even before any decision by the Council, the condemnation of their opponents by the Council. The question is: what can justify such exploitation of the Security Council, and doesn't it erode the credibility and effectiveness of the Council? Can such behavior contribute to the ability of the Council to maintain security?

Excellencies,

A review of the preceding historical realities would lead to the conclusion that regrettably, justice has become a victim of force and aggression.

- Many global arrangements have become unjust, discriminatory and irresponsible as a result of undue pressure from some of the powerful;

- Threats with nuclear weapons and other instruments of war by some powers have taken the place of respect for the rights of nations and the maintenance and promotion of peace and tranquility;

- For some powers, claims of promotion of human rights and democracy can only last as long as they can be used as instruments of pressure and intimidation against other nations. But when it comes to the interests of the claimants, concepts such as democracy, the right of self-determination of nations, respect for the rights and intelligence of peoples, international law and justice have no place or value. This is blatantly manifested in the way the elected Government of the Palestinian people is treated as well as in the support extended to the Zionist regime. It does not matter if people are murdered in Palestine, turned into refugees, captured, imprisoned or besieged; that must not violate human rights.

- Nations are not equal in exercising their rights recognized by international law. Enjoying these rights is dependent on the whim of certain major powers.

- Apparently the Security Council can only be used to ensure the security and the rights of some big powers. But when the oppressed are decimated under bombardment, the Security Council must remain aloof and not even call for a ceasefire. Is this not a tragedy of historic proportions for the Security Council, which is charged with maintaining the security of countries?

- The prevailing order of contemporary global interactions is such that certain powers equate themselves with the international community, and consider their decisions superseding that of over 180 countries. They consider themselves the masters and rulers of the entire world and other nations as only second class in the world order.

Excellencies,

The question needs to be asked: if the Governments of the United States or the United Kingdom, who are permanent members of the Security Council, commit aggression, occupation and violation of international law, which of the organs of the UN can take them to account? Can a Council in which they are privileged members address their violations? Has this ever happened? In fact, we have repeatedly seen the reverse. If they have differences with a nation or state, they drag it to the Security Council and as claimants, arrogate to themselves simultaneously the roles of prosecutor, judge and executioner. Is this a just order? Can there be a more vivid case of discrimination and more clear evidence of injustice?

Regrettably, the persistence of some hegemonic powers in imposing their exclusionist policies on international decision making mechanisms, including the Security Council, has resulted in a growing mistrust in global public opinion, undermining the credibility and effectiveness of this most universal system of collective security.

Excellencies,

How long can such a situation last in the world? It is evident that the behavior of some powers constitutes the greatest challenge before the Security Council, the entire organization and its affiliated agencies.

The present structure and working methods of the Security Council, which are legacies of the Second World War, are not responsive to the expectations of the current generation and the contemporary needs of humanity.

Today, it is undeniable that the Security Council, most critically and urgently, needs legitimacy and effectiveness. It must be acknowledged that as long as the Council is unable to act on behalf of the entire international community in a transparent, just and democratic manner, it will neither be legitimate nor effective. Furthermore, the direct relation between the abuse of veto and the erosion of the legitimacy and effectiveness of the Council has now been clearly and undeniably established. We cannot, and should not, expect the eradication, or even containment, of injustice, imposition and oppression without reforming the structure and working methods of the Council.

Is it appropriate to expect this generation to submit to the decisions and arrangements established over half a century ago? Doesn't this generation or future generations have the right to decide themselves about the world in which they want to live?

Today, serious reform in the structure and working methods of the Security Council is, more than ever before, necessary. Justice and democracy dictate that the role of the General Assembly, as the highest organ of the United Nations, must be respected. The General Assembly can then, through appropriate mechanisms, take on the task of reforming the Organization and particularly rescue the Security Council from its current state. In the interim, the Non-Aligned Movement, the Organization of the Islamic Conference and the African continent should each have a representative as a permanent member of the Security Council, with veto privilege. The resulting balance would hopefully prevent further trampling of the rights of nations.

Madame President,

Excellencies,

It is essential that spirituality and ethics find their rightful place in international relations. Without ethics and spirituality, attained in light of the teachings of Divine prophets, justice, freedom and human rights cannot be guaranteed.

Resolution of contemporary human crises lies in observing ethics and spirituality and the governance of righteous people of high competence and piety.

Should respect for the rights of human beings become the predominant objective, then injustice, ill-temperament, aggression and war will fade away.

Human beings are all God's creatures and are all endowed with dignity and respect.

No one has superiority over others. No individual or states can arrogate to themselves special privileges, nor can they disregard the rights of others and, through influence and pressure, position themselves as the “international community”.

Citizens of Asia, Africa, Europe and America are all equal. Over six billion inhabitants of the earth are all equal and worthy of respect.

Justice and protection of human dignity are the two pillars in maintaining sustainable peace, security and tranquility in the world.

It is for this reason that we state:

Sustainable peace and tranquility in the world can only be attained through justice, spirituality, ethics, compassion and respect for human dignity.

All nations and states are entitled to peace, progress and security.

We are all members of the international community and we are all entitled to insist on the creation of a climate of compassion, love and justice.

All members of the United Nations are affected by both the bitter and the sweet events and developments in today's world.

We can adopt firm and logical decisions, thereby improving the prospects of a better life for current and future generations.

Together, we can eradicate the roots of bitter maladies and afflictions, and instead, through the promotion of universal and lasting values such as ethics, spirituality and justice, allow our nations to taste the sweetness of a better future.

Peoples, driven by their divine nature, intrinsically seek Good, Virtue, Perfection and Beauty. Relying on our peoples, we can take giant steps towards reform and pave the road for human perfection. Whether we like it or not, justice, peace and virtue will sooner or later prevail in the world with the will of Almighty God. It is imperative, and also desirable, that we too contribute to the promotion of justice and virtue.

The Almighty and Merciful God, who is the Creator of the Universe, is also its Lord and Ruler. Justice is His command. He commands His creatures to support one another in Good, virtue and piety, and not in decadence and corruption.

He commands His creatures to enjoin one another to righteousness and virtue and not to sin and transgression. All Divine prophets from the Prophet Adam (peace be upon him) to the Prophet Moses (peace be upon him), to the Prophet Jesus Christ (peace be upon him), to the Prophet Mohammad (peace be upon him), have all called humanity to monotheism, justice, brotherhood, love and compassion. Is it not possible to build a better world based on monotheism, justice, love and respect for the rights of human beings, and thereby transform animosities into friendship?

I emphatically declare that today's world, more than ever before, longs for just and righteous people with love for all humanity; and above all longs for the perfect righteous human being and the real savior who has been promised to all peoples and who will establish justice, peace and brotherhood on the planet.

O, Almighty God, all men and women are your creatures and you have ordained their guidance and salvation. Bestow upon humanity that thirsts for justice, the perfect human being promised to all by you, and make us among his followers and among those who strive for his return and his cause.
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Re: Hey 240:
« Reply #1 on: September 22, 2006, 08:14:14 PM »
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Re: Hey 240:
« Reply #2 on: September 22, 2006, 08:22:09 PM »
thanks.  

I now see why Bush didn't want to debate him.  It's hard, even for diehard repubs, to argue that we're NOT attempting to subjugate the other 191 countries of the world to our policy.

It feels like things are starting to happen really fast in the last few weeks.
Hugo chavez gets applause for insulting Bush in NYC
Hugo accuses Bush of being behind 911.
Hugo starting independent investigation of 911 on behalf of the world.

Iran leader challenges bush to debate.
Iran leader accuses Bush of being behind 911.
Iran leader acts graceful in front of world - would be pretty hard to convince UN, at this point, that diplomacy is no longer an option.  

Paki prez musharraf claims we threatened to "bomb pakistan back to the stone age" if we didn't let them invade Afghanistan.  Imagine if Mexico threatened to bom the US, if we didn't let them set up military bases in New yyork to invade niagra falls lol...


Does it seem to you guys that suddenly all of these nations are very, very bold?  And almost coordinated in their actions to expose and undermine Bush?   And the fact that all of these groups have gone out of their way to say they don't hate Americans - just american govt foreign policy.

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Re: Hey 240:
« Reply #3 on: September 22, 2006, 08:36:27 PM »
thanks. 

I now see why Bush didn't want to debate him.  It's hard, even for diehard repubs, to argue that we're NOT attempting to subjugate the other 191 countries of the world to our policy.

It feels like things are starting to happen really fast in the last few weeks.
Hugo chavez gets applause for insulting Bush in NYC
Hugo accuses Bush of being behind 911.
Hugo starting independent investigation of 911 on behalf of the world.

Iran leader challenges bush to debate.
Iran leader accuses Bush of being behind 911.
Iran leader acts graceful in front of world - would be pretty hard to convince UN, at this point, that diplomacy is no longer an option. 

Paki prez musharraf claims we threatened to "bomb pakistan back to the stone age" if we didn't let them invade Afghanistan.  Imagine if Mexico threatened to bom the US, if we didn't let them set up military bases in New yyork to invade niagra falls lol...


Does it seem to you guys that suddenly all of these nations are very, very bold?  And almost coordinated in their actions to expose and undermine Bush?   And the fact that all of these groups have gone out of their way to say they don't hate Americans - just american govt foreign policy.


I'm sorry,  did i miss it?  Where does he accuse Bush of being behind 9/11?  I'm sure i missed it in the transcript above.  please show me.

And for that matter where did Hugo do it?  please give non CT-web site link

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Re: Hey 240:
« Reply #4 on: September 22, 2006, 09:25:20 PM »
I'm sorry,  did i miss it?  Where does he accuse Bush of being behind 9/11?  I'm sure i missed it in the transcript above.  please show me.

And for that matter where did Hugo do it?  please give non CT-web site link

It was on the news last week.  FOX played it. 

jeez man, come on.  I must spend 30 minutes a day googling sites for you trying to find on that you'll deem "non-CT".  Work with me a bit.  You search too :)

Chavez was on Special report with brit hume a few nights ago. I'll look for the transcript.  He even pointed out the 8 or 9 second fall times for the towers.

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Re: Hey 240:
« Reply #5 on: September 22, 2006, 09:26:46 PM »
And for that matter where did Hugo do it?  please give non CT-web site link

Youtube CNN International:

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Re: Hey 240:
« Reply #6 on: September 22, 2006, 11:11:23 PM »

I'm sorry,  did i miss it?  Where does he accuse Bush of being behind 9/11?  I'm sure i missed it in the transcript above.  please show me.

And for that matter where did Hugo do it?  please give non CT-web site link

Oh no.  Not the facts again. 

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« Reply #7 on: September 23, 2006, 09:04:58 AM »
It was on the news last week.  FOX played it. 

jeez man, come on.  I must spend 30 minutes a day googling sites for you trying to find on that you'll deem "non-CT".  Work with me a bit.  You search too :)

Chavez was on Special report with brit hume a few nights ago. I'll look for the transcript.  He even pointed out the 8 or 9 second fall times for the towers.
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Did he say what chavez said? 

I googled "Mahmoud Ahmadinejad 9/11"  and got nothing..........  perhaps i missed it.  Or are you interpreting his statements on fox wrong?

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Re: Hey 240:
« Reply #8 on: September 23, 2006, 12:16:05 PM »


Here is the youtube CNN video clip of Chavez on 9/11.

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Re: Hey 240:
« Reply #9 on: September 23, 2006, 02:51:06 PM »
you cannot be seriously giving any respect to the iranian pres are you?  any one?  the man who says israel should be destroyed, who wants america destroyed.  there's a common theme with all these leaders being mentioned,,,,whack jobs. whose next in the admiration board?  Castro? North Korea?  Bin Laden hates Bush Do you support him also?  i think Gov't money could be used better to find more oil/alternative fuels.  The insurance is crooked as hell and pricing out middle class in S. Florida, there are many things they should focus their efforts on.

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Re: Hey 240:
« Reply #10 on: September 23, 2006, 02:57:30 PM »
Stormfront, huh? 

I got the error too.  Must be something about Neo-Nazi websites not allowed on Gov't domains. 


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Re: Hey 240:
« Reply #11 on: September 23, 2006, 03:06:50 PM »
Great speech!

He's wanted to meet with Bush so many times, but been turned down every time. How can you have diplomacy and compromise if one side isn't even willing to budge?
Ahmadnejad has been very open about his nation's nuclear program, he's let inspectors in and Iran has signed the nuclear treaty. Notice how that the two major countries who have a problem with Iran's nuclear program are the one's that refuse to sign the treaty.

What Israel and America want from Iran are unreasonable. They want Iran to halt all uranium enrichment, they make no distinction between enrichment for nuclear fuel or nuclear weapons, they just want it stopped. This is absolute bullshit because any nation should have the right to develop something that will advance the lives of their people via a new source of energy.

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Re: Hey 240:
« Reply #12 on: September 23, 2006, 03:16:51 PM »
Great speech!

He's wanted to meet with Bush so many times, but been turned down every time. How can you have diplomacy and compromise if one side isn't even willing to budge?
Ahmadnejad has been very open about his nation's nuclear program, he's let inspectors in and Iran has signed the nuclear treaty. Notice how that the two major countries who have a problem with Iran's nuclear program are the one's that refuse to sign the treaty.

What Israel and America want from Iran are unreasonable. They want Iran to halt all uranium enrichment, they make no distinction between enrichment for nuclear fuel or nuclear weapons, they just want it stopped. This is absolute bullshit because any nation should have the right to develop something that will advance the lives of their people via a new source of energy.

Irans open hostility towards NATO and the Judeo-Christian world makes any attempt to enrich uranium on their part unreasonable. 

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Re: Hey 240:
« Reply #13 on: September 23, 2006, 03:23:57 PM »
Why does everyone gloss over the fact that he wants to destroy Israel?  Hates Americans?  Do you truly believe their plans are for  electricty only?  wake up already, what will you be saying when they drop a bomb on Israel?  the cleris and ayatollahs run that country, he's as dangerous as Hitler was and there are way to many people blinded by hatred of Pres. Bush to see it.

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Re: Hey 240:
« Reply #14 on: September 23, 2006, 03:24:50 PM »
Irans open hostility towards NATO and the Judeo-Christian world makes any attempt to enrich uranium on their part unreasonable. 

Iran has made attempts to be friends and to talk. Recently, it's the western world that's been hostile, threatening strikes and war.
Infact I think the US or Israel will strike within a year.

And why is Iran enriching Uranium unreasonable? They don't have the right to advance their civilization? I'll bet you money that most Pakistani citizens hate the US and the western world, infact Pakistan is a huge breeding ground for terrorism, but since the presiden of Pakistan kisses American ass means he can have nuclear technology and Iran can't? Iran has made it CLEAR that they're only enriching uranium for energy.

If they go back on their promise and start developing ICMBs then I'd see a cause for concern, but what the US is doing now is nothing short of imperialism and isn't helping the war on terror.

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Re: Hey 240:
« Reply #15 on: September 23, 2006, 03:39:35 PM »
you cannot be seriously giving any respect to the iranian pres are you?  any one?  the man who says israel should be destroyed, who wants america destroyed.  there's a common theme with all these leaders being mentioned,,,,whack jobs. whose next in the admiration board?  Castro? North Korea?  Bin Laden hates Bush Do you support him also?  i think Gov't money could be used better to find more oil/alternative fuels.  The insurance is crooked as hell and pricing out middle class in S. Florida, there are many things they should focus their efforts on.

All these countries hate us.

So what?

If I had a dollar for every person that'll smile big when I take the dirt nap, I'd be a rich man.  part of life is that we don't all like each other.  And the leaders who want to get elected in these nations know this, and use the US as a common enemy to talk trash about in order to get into office.

To attack us would be across-the-board suicide. They won't.  People have been talking that same noise for 200 years to get into office, and don't act on it. 

Gov. Bush used that 'we are not the world's policeman" line to get into office.
I miss gov. Bush.

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Re: Hey 240:
« Reply #16 on: September 23, 2006, 03:41:17 PM »
Iran has made attempts to be friends and to talk. Recently, it's the western world that's been hostile, threatening strikes and war.
Infact I think the US or Israel will strike within a year.

And why is Iran enriching Uranium unreasonable? They don't have the right to advance their civilization? I'll bet you money that most Pakistani citizens hate the US and the western world, infact Pakistan is a huge breeding ground for terrorism, but since the presiden of Pakistan kisses American ass means he can have nuclear technology and Iran can't? Iran has made it CLEAR that they're only enriching uranium for energy.

If they go back on their promise and start developing ICMBs then I'd see a cause for concern, but what the US is doing now is nothing short of imperialism and isn't helping the war on terror.

We do not threaten.  We warn against hostile action on Irans part.

Isreal would not strike first.  That's the thing about the Isrealis... they actually wait until they're attacked first before striking simply because the world likes to come down on them for doing what any county would do in thier situation... defending themselves.  

Pakistan is nowhere near as hostile towards us as Iran.  They are also nowhere near the extreme Islamic regime that Iran is.  Sounds reasonable to deny them the ability to play with nukes from an American point of view.  I'm more worried about America's safety than Irans prosperity.  Call me crazy.

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Re: Hey 240:
« Reply #17 on: September 23, 2006, 03:50:55 PM »
Completely reasonable to deny them - but to let the UN do it.

We're in two wars already that we just can't get out of.  Iran would be messier than Iraq.  Monster location tho, eh?  Have to wonder if there's any reason we want to tear them up, but we aren't going after N Korea, who actually HAS nukes. 

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Re: Hey 240:
« Reply #18 on: September 23, 2006, 04:06:13 PM »
'we' 'us'??? British isnt a fucking prefix, you black slag

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piss of out of it, sambo!
I thought it was zog?  Black slag?  WTF? 

Way to make a point, moron... just show how fuckin stupid you are!!! Go march on it somewhere.

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Re: Hey 240:
« Reply #19 on: September 23, 2006, 04:22:23 PM »
I'm white... btw.  And American.  Way to go. 

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Re: Hey 240:
« Reply #20 on: September 23, 2006, 04:33:10 PM »
yeah, you wish, bongo lover
You can wish in one hand and shit in the other and see which one gets filled first.

Bongo lover?  Blacks in your sad, unglamorous country must be sensitive.  If I called a black guy a "bongo lover" over here they'd laugh at me. 

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Re: Hey 240:
« Reply #21 on: September 23, 2006, 04:40:33 PM »
All these countries hate us.

So what?

If I had a dollar for every person that'll smile big when I take the dirt nap, I'd be a rich man.  part of life is that we don't all like each other.  And the leaders who want to get elected in these nations know this, and use the US as a common enemy to talk trash about in order to get into office.

To attack us would be across-the-board suicide. They won't.  People have been talking that same noise for 200 years to get into office, and don't act on it. 

So what?  this isn't the world of internet BB b.s. stop with the conpiracy theories and look at what these contries want to do to us and Israel and Christians/non Muslims.  they have been in office, they haven't used it to get elected, they will do more to try and destroy us.  Maybe not overt but through financing, backing, supplying those that will carry out the attacks, ie, 9/11.  It's proven that Iran supplies and trains terrorists, Hezbollah recently is the best example.  They know better than to attack us here for several big reasons, one being we would destroy them. The other is the nuke threat.  Maybe not as big a factor as the cold war though.

That line is not the reason Bush was elected, you aren't really saying that that line was the reason he was elected are you?  The sooner more people see it and are ready for it the better.  this goes beyond politics now.  this is the radical leaders ramping up their rhetoric and calling much more than internet discussions and insults.

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Re: Hey 240:
« Reply #22 on: September 23, 2006, 04:49:44 PM »
We do not threaten.  We warn against hostile action on Irans part.

Isreal would not strike first.  That's the thing about the Isrealis... they actually wait until they're attacked first before striking simply because the world likes to come down on them for doing what any county would do in thier situation... defending themselves.

That wasn't the case this past summer in Lebanon, ...and it wasn't the case in the when they took out Iraq's reactors.  

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Pakistan is nowhere near as hostile towards us as Iran.  They are also nowhere near the extreme Islamic regime that Iran is.  Sounds reasonable to deny them the ability to play with nukes from an American point of view.  I'm more worried about America's safety than Irans prosperity.  Call me crazy.

Then you are crazy. Iran does not have the ability to threaten America's safety, ...and they never will.

What they have the ability to do is to usurp Israel as a regional power.
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Re: Hey 240:
« Reply #23 on: September 23, 2006, 04:54:37 PM »
So what?  this isn't the world of internet BB b.s. stop with the conpiracy theories and look at what these contries want to do to us and Israel and Christians/non Muslims.  they have been in office, they haven't used it to get elected, they will do more to try and destroy us.  Maybe not overt but through financing, backing, supplying those that will carry out the attacks, ie, 9/11.  It's proven that Iran supplies and trains terrorists, Hezbollah recently is the best example.  They know better than to attack us here for several big reasons, one being we would destroy them. The other is the nuke threat.  Maybe not as big a factor as the cold war though.

That line is not the reason Bush was elected, you aren't really saying that that line was the reason he was elected are you?  The sooner more people see it and are ready for it the better.  this goes beyond politics now.  this is the radical leaders ramping up their rhetoric and calling much more than internet discussions and insults.

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Re: Hey 240:
« Reply #24 on: September 23, 2006, 05:21:23 PM »
That wasn't the case this past summer in Lebanon, ...and it wasn't the case in the when they took out Iraq's reactors.  

Then you are crazy. Iran does not have the ability to threaten America's safety, ...and they never will.

What they have the ability to do is to usurp Israel as a regional power.

That was a response to the kidnap of an Isreali soldier... So that WAS the case since Hezbullah committed the first hostile act. 

I shouldn't even have to say why Iraq's reactors were taken.  Anyone who doesn't think Saddam started all this shit and the Insurgents keep it going has thier head up thier ass and should defect to Venezuela. 

Iran will never threaten us?  Ignorance.  Be ashamed.