No outrage over all the muslim death threats against the Pope.

[headhuntersix]

I'm kinda surprised nobody brought this up in a unified thread, or maybe i missed something. The Pope....a man of peace..quotes an old historical text that states (pretty damm correctly) that Islam is very violent etc....and the Muslims react over this outrage with.....what for it..violence. They have called for his death...death against christians....killed a nun who helps poor muslims in Somalia...death against Catholics.....burnt churches etc. Why is it eveybody else had something better to do then these people.

[Hugo Chavez]

Fuck the pope... man of peace you are aware that you're mostly asking for Americans to give a rat shit about the pope?  ahahahahahaha..... The Muslims are stupid overreacting idiots as was well shown with the cartoon spaz and everything they get a little upset over.  They lose support everytime they try to make a point by flipping out.  Nobody wants to side with that crap... total and compete idiots... Nothing new here.

[Hugo Chavez]

To hell with the pope, save the nuns and send them to me  

[Nordic Superman]

Fuck berserker and fuck those damned satanic muslims.

They are a fucking disgrace.

[Hedgehog]

f**k the pope... man of peace you are aware that you're mostly asking for Americans to give a rat shit about the pope?  ahahahahahaha..... The Muslims are stupid overreacting idiots as was well shown with the cartoon spaz and everything they get a little upset over.  They lose support everytime they try to make a point by flipping out.  Nobody wants to side with that crap... total and compete idiots... Nothing new here.

Very well put.

Why the fcuk would any sane man use century old outdated analysis of Islam when there are lots of modern analysis available? Benedictus is a fcuking cnut.

And once again, the Muslim world shows its ugly face of intolerance.



YIP
Zack

[Hugo Chavez]

f**k berserker and f**k those damned satanic muslims.

They are a fucking disgrace.

We found a Catholic

[Nordic Superman]

We found a Catholic

Pope is a man of peace. Disprove what he quoted and I will pay you $200 immediately via paypal.

Same goes to you Hedgehog. Let's see if you 2 libofaggos are big enough men to accept the challenge.

[Hugo Chavez]

Pope is a man of peace. Disprove what he quoted and I will pay you $200 immediately via paypal.

Same goes to you Hedgehog. Let's see if you 2 libofaggos are big enough men to accept the challenge.

You're one illiterate fucktard... Re-read what we said dipshit... I thought you Brits had a better grasp on English than us?  Apparently not..... lol......

[Nordic Superman]

You're one illiterate fucktard... Re-read what we said dipshit... I thought you Brits had a better grasp on English than us?  Apparently not..... lol......

I understand what you said in its entirety, but you don't want to earn $200? Surely for a man of your knowledge this would be a doddle?

Oh knowledgeable sage Hedge, wilst thou provests thy quotes incorrect and earnest thy's self the rosy sum of 2 hundredeth dollars?

[freespirit]

Be careful of what you see in the media. I've been in Muslim countries like Egypt, Indonesia, Malaysia etc. Never noticed that much hatred against the western world. The media wants to bring the news, and spectacular news is much more interesting then anything.

[Nordic Superman]

Be careful of what you see in the media. I've been in Muslim countries like Egypt, Indonesia, Malaysia etc. Never noticed that much hatred against the western world. The media wants to bring the news, and spectacular news is much more interesting then anything.

http://jihadwatch.org/

Some lovely coverage of peaceful muslims. The sooner these fuckers are fed to pigs the better.

Plan of action to save africa:

Harvest the muslims, feed to pigs, develop an efficient pig breeding program (easy to do), continue feed them suculent muzzies... wallah... a massive food source for africa... STARVATION PROBLEM? WHAT FUCKING STARVATION PROBLEM?

[Hugo Chavez]

I understand what you said in its entirety, but you don't want to earn $200? Surely for a man of your knowledge this would be a doddle?

Oh knowledgeable sage Hedge, wilst thou provests thy quotes incorrect and earnest thy's self the rosy sum of 2 hundredeth dollars?

Quit flashing around 200 bucks like it's big money...   We're in America, not on The East End LOL... Obviously you do not understand what either of us said at all... LOL... Please show how either one of said anything about the pope's quote being false?   Gomer   You are asking us to prove his quote as false... Why would you toss out that challenge when neither one of us said the quote wasn't true?  Because you can't read.

Oh yea, and i don't give a shit about his stupid quote or what you think of it...

Hope that helps whoo hoooo

[Hedgehog]

Pope is a man of peace. Disprove what he quoted and I will pay you $200 immediately via paypal.

Same goes to you Hedgehog. Let's see if you 2 libofaggos are big enough men to accept the challenge.

He quoted Manuel II:

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached."

Fine.

I'll give you two examples where Muhammed didn't ONLY bring things evil and inhuman.

Muhammed severly limited slavery, and also improved the situation of women, by giving rules for marriages.

These are undisputable facts. The situation were worse for women and slaves before, and Muhammad didn't ONLY bring evil and inhumanity to these two situations.

You owe me $200.

YIP
Zack

[Hugo Chavez]

He quoted Manuel II:

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached."

Fine.

I'll give you two examples where Muhammed didn't ONLY bring things evil and inhuman.

Muhammed severly limited slavery, and also improved the situation of women, by giving rules for marriages.

These are undisputable facts. The situation were worse for women and slaves before, and Muhammad didn't ONLY bring evil and inhumanity to these two situations.

You owe me $200.

YIP
Zack

But from a biblical standpoint, slavery isn't evil and women are.   Unless you're going to argue from that persepective Nordic, you owe Zack 200.00.... 

[Hugo Chavez]

NORDIC

[Nordic Superman]

He quoted Manuel II:

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached."

Fine.

I'll give you two examples where Muhammed didn't ONLY bring things evil and inhuman.

Muhammed severly limited slavery, and also improved the situation of women, by giving rules for marriages.

These are undisputable facts. The situation were worse for women and slaves before, and Muhammad didn't ONLY bring evil and inhumanity to these two situations.

You owe me $200.

YIP
Zack

One weak quote and you think you've earned $200? Fucking hell man... the socialist welfare state in europe really does need abolishing if it's producing men as weak as you.

http://www.islamreview.com/articles/slaveryinislam.shtml

Islam institutionalized slavery. Muhammad began to take slaves after he moved to Medina, and had power. Slaves were usually taken in raids on nearby Arab tribes, or war, either through offensive or defensive actions. Islam allows the taking of slaves as "booty", or reward for fighting. This has led to numerous "jihads" by Muslim states and tribes to attack other non-Muslim groups and obtain slaves. Islamic jurisprudence laid down regulations for the proper treatment of slaves. However, abuses have occurred throughout history.

Koran:

 To begin with, the Quran justifies slavery, and often mentions slaves. Here are some relevant verses:

    33:50 - "Prophet, We have made lawful to you the wives to whom you have granted dowries and the slave girls whom God has given you as booty."

This verse clearly shows that Muslims believe that taking slaves in war was a God-given right. These slaves were considered 'booty' or the spoils of war. As the saying goes: to the victors go the spoils.

    23:5 - "... except with their wives and slave girls, for these are lawful to them:..."

[Hedgehog]

One weak quote and you think you've earned $200? Fucking hell man... the socialist welfare state in europe really does need abolishing if it's producing men as weak as you.

http://www.islamreview.com/articles/slaveryinislam.shtml

Koran:

 To begin with, the Quran justifies slavery, and often mentions slaves. Here are some relevant verses:

    33:50 - "Prophet, We have made lawful to you the wives to whom you have granted dowries and the slave girls whom God has given you as booty."

This verse clearly shows that Muslims believe that taking slaves in war was a God-given right. These slaves were considered 'booty' or the spoils of war. As the saying goes: to the victors go the spoils.

    23:5 - "... except with their wives and slave girls, for these are lawful to them:..."

The quote by Manuel II was:


"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached."

I showed two examples where Mohammed clearly didn't ONLY brought things "evil and inhuman".

I proved the quote wrong, that is what was needed for the $200.

Now you need to walk the walk.


And no, I am not saying that Muhammed took away slavery, or made the situation for women good. He only improved it.

YIP
Zack

[Hedgehog]

Interestingly enough, from the site you quotes, I find this passage:

The Quran also instructs Muslims NOT to force their female slaves into prostitution (24:34), and even allows Muslims to marry slaves if they so desire (4:24), and to free them at times as a penalty for crime or sin (4:92, 5:89, 58:3) and even allows slaves to buy their liberty, if they meet certain of their master's conditions (24:33). [90:10 'freeing of a bondsman' refers to Muslims ransoming other Muslims who were slaves of non-Muslims.]

Clearly an example of not ONLY evil and inhumanity.

The slaves shouldn't be forced into prostitution. That, alone, is one example good enough.

And since it's from a site you yourself used as a source, I suppose you will recognize it.

You owe me $200.

YIP
Zack

[Nordic Superman]

Slaves have to buy their liberty and freedoms?

My quotes clearly state they were allowed to take slaves, as prescribed by god.

They could take booty also too, prescribed by God.

33:50 - "Prophet, We have made lawful to you the wives to whom you have granted dowries and the slave girls whom God has given you as booty."


There are hundreds of Hadith that deal with slavery. Whole chapters of Hadith are dedicated to dealing with the taxation, treatment, sale, and jurisprudence of slaves. In addition to this, numerous Hadith mention slaves, and their relation to their Muslim masters. Here is a selection of Hadith on slaves: [all Hadith are from Sahih Bukhari, unless noted.]

Vol. 7-#137 Narrated Abu al-Khudri: "We got female captives in the war booty and we used to do coitus interruptus with them. So we asked Allah's messenger about it and he said, "Do you really do that?" repeating the question thrice, "There is no soul that is destined to exist but will come into existence, till the Day of Resurrection.""

Here, Muslims had taken female slaves, and had sex with them. Muhammad approved of this. He only admonished them not to practice coitus interruptus.

Vol. 7-#734 "....At the door of the [Muhammad's] room there was a slave to whom I went and said, "Ask the permission for me to enter".....
the quote reveals that Muhammad has slaves working in his house

In contrast to Muhammad Jesus Christ brought the Gospel of Grace and freedom.

"There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus" (Gal. 3:28).

[Hugo Chavez]

Hold on Nordic.... I'm going to have to re-think things.... Are you saying if I go Muslim, I get all the booty I want WELL Fuck . If I didn't already I'd take up that offer!!!

[Hedgehog]

Slaves have to buy their liberty and freedoms?

My quotes clearly state they were allowed to take slaves, as prescribed by god.

They could take booty also too, prescribed by God.

33:50 - "Prophet, We have made lawful to you the wives to whom you have granted dowries and the slave girls whom God has given you as booty."


There are hundreds of Hadith that deal with slavery. Whole chapters of Hadith are dedicated to dealing with the taxation, treatment, sale, and jurisprudence of slaves. In addition to this, numerous Hadith mention slaves, and their relation to their Muslim masters. Here is a selection of Hadith on slaves: [all Hadith are from Sahih Bukhari, unless noted.]

Vol. 7-#137 Narrated Abu al-Khudri: "We got female captives in the war booty and we used to do coitus interruptus with them. So we asked Allah's messenger about it and he said, "Do you really do that?" repeating the question thrice, "There is no soul that is destined to exist but will come into existence, till the Day of Resurrection.""

Here, Muslims had taken female slaves, and had sex with them. Muhammad approved of this. He only admonished them not to practice coitus interruptus.

Vol. 7-#734 "....At the door of the [Muhammad's] room there was a slave to whom I went and said, "Ask the permission for me to enter".....
the quote reveals that Muhammad has slaves working in his house

In contrast to Muhammad Jesus Christ brought the Gospel of Grace and freedom.

"There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus" (Gal. 3:28).

Sure, the Hadiths are filled with horrendous examples of evil.

But, here is the thing.

You wanted me to disprove what the pope quoted.

 

Pope is a man of peace. Disprove what he quoted and I will pay you $200 immediately via paypal.

Same goes to you Hedgehog. Let's see if you 2 libofaggos are big enough men to accept the challenge.

The quote (Manuel II) was:

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached."

You yourself gave us examples of where Mohammed DIDN'T only bring evil and inhumanity:

The Quran also instructs Muslims NOT to force their female slaves into prostitution (24:34), and even allows Muslims to marry slaves if they so desire (4:24), and to free them at times as a penalty for crime or sin (4:92, 5:89, 58:3) and even allows slaves to buy their liberty, if they meet certain of their master's conditions (24:33). [90:10 'freeing of a bondsman' refers to Muslims ransoming other Muslims who were slaves of non-Muslims.]

These are all examples where slaves aren't the subject of no protection.

You yourself supplied us with evidence that you are wrong.

Now, will you pay?

YIP
Zack

[Nordic Superman]

What are you talking about, you're saying that slavery is ok, not evil if the female slaves are not forced into prostitution?

Is slavery evil and inhuman?

[Hedgehog]

What are you talking about, you're saying that slavery is ok, not evil if the female slaves are not forced into prostitution?

Is slavery evil and inhuman?

If Mohammed limited the abuse of the female slaves (not allowing for forcing into prostitution)

we cannot say that all things that Mohammed brought are evil and inhuman.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached."

Now, time to pay up.


YIP
Zack

[Hugo Chavez]

Owned... Pay up...  And learn what ONLY means

[Nordic Superman]

Owned... Pay up...  And learn what ONLY means

Hahaha, if he has come out on top of this discussion then it is thru technicalities.

Is there an anonamous paypal like service? I'm not having some swedish socialist islamist knowing who am I, where I live and who i work for.