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Re: BREAKING NEWS: COURTESY OF WOOD. REGARDING VINCE GOODRUM 2ND PLACE
« Reply #250 on: September 24, 2006, 03:15:21 PM »
If Adonis needs 3000 calories a day to maintain his weight, and only eats 2000 calories of pizza, donuts, and ice cream he will lose fat. Why is this hard for some to understand?

Very true.  Eating a hypo-caloric diet will result in fat loss irrespective of the foods consumed. 

Now, let's talk about rate of fat loss, muscle retention, and general health.  Eating junk foods loaded with processed sugars and fats is not the optimal way to lose body fat with respect to any of the aforementioned points.

That is where our boy is missing it.  Sure, you can mix in some treats but the majority of the foods consumed when on a hypo-caloric diet should be relatively low in fat and definitely low in processed sugars.
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« Reply #251 on: September 24, 2006, 03:17:01 PM »
Very true.  Eating a hypo-caloric diet will result in fat loss irrespective of the foods consumed. 

Now, let's talk about rate of fat loss, muscle retention, and general health.  Eating junk foods loaded with processed sugars and fats is not the optimal way to lose body fat with respect to any of the aforementioned points.

That is where our boy is missing it.  Sure, you can mix in some treats but the majority of the foods consumed when on a hypo-caloric diet should be relatively low in fat and definitely low in processed sugars.

But should it?.....

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« Reply #252 on: September 24, 2006, 03:18:41 PM »
Very true.  Eating a hypo-caloric diet will result in fat loss irrespective of the foods consumed. 

Now, let's talk about rate of fat loss, muscle retention, and general health.  Eating junk foods loaded with processed sugars and fats is not the optimal way to lose body fat with respect to any of the aforementioned points.

That is where our boy is missing it.  Sure, you can mix in some treats but the majority of the foods consumed when on a hypo-caloric diet should be relatively low in fat and definitely low in processed sugars.

why no sugar, Chris?
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« Reply #253 on: September 24, 2006, 03:20:28 PM »
Happend to come across a contest pic of Vince from the show,  looks like he improved

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« Reply #254 on: September 24, 2006, 03:20:38 PM »
You claimed the diet was a fake.  Please prove this.


The proof is all around you.  Most of America is fat and its not because of fast food and refined sugars.


But the only reason we're hearing this is because Adonis refuses to compete at the Elite Classic.  All talk no action.  He would have more respect for competing the minute he actually does.  Adonis is a coward, end of story
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« Reply #255 on: September 24, 2006, 03:22:37 PM »
The proof is all around you.  Most of America is fat and its not because of fast food and refined sugars.


Vince, dont be a spastic, we are talking about non sedentary types on a hypo caloric diet
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« Reply #256 on: September 24, 2006, 03:24:26 PM »
Goodrum is a self-confessed pile of goo. Even a skinny Adonis should easily defeat a guy with no cuts? We will be able to compare their condition after the images from the Mountaineer appear. No need for Adonis to step on stage.

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« Reply #257 on: September 24, 2006, 03:26:33 PM »
Just because Adonis isnt competing onstage yet doesnt make him a coward. It ust means he is not ready quite just yet to step on stage.

There are a lot of people at my gymwho train for contests but are they really training hard? Hell no...thats why when they get on stage they look like sh$t. Later they use the excuse that they tried their hardest...but did these people actually work out hard and diet hard? Answer is no....

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« Reply #258 on: September 24, 2006, 03:43:59 PM »
Here is Melvin's quote from page 1 of this thread:

**... I looked like a pile of shit and I obviously still have a lot to learn and years of hard training to
 do.

Quick.. someone post the pic of Vince looked like shit in the toilet..


In the meantime, I'll be nursing my wounds from the beating
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« Reply #259 on: September 24, 2006, 03:44:30 PM »
:)

Smart man.
How can you lose fat...when most of what you're eating is high in fat ??

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« Reply #260 on: September 24, 2006, 03:45:36 PM »
How can you lose fat...when most of what you're eating is high in fat ??

You are joking, right? calories in vs. calories burned, it's not rocket science.
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« Reply #261 on: September 24, 2006, 03:46:31 PM »
The proof is all around you.  Most of America is fat and its not because of fast food and refined sugars.


But the only reason we're hearing this is because Adonis refuses to compete at the Elite Classic.  All talk no action.  He would have more respect for competing the minute he actually does.  Adonis is a coward, end of story

People are fat because they overeat.
Look at yourself.

Look at all of DC trainers.

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« Reply #262 on: September 24, 2006, 03:48:14 PM »
You are joking, right? calories in vs. calories burned, it's not rocket science.
No shitstain..I'm not kidding..Those aren't healthy fats he's ingesting..

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« Reply #263 on: September 24, 2006, 03:49:36 PM »
this is some funny shit ;D

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« Reply #264 on: September 24, 2006, 03:50:13 PM »
No shitstain..I'm not kidding..Those aren't healthy fats he's ingesting..

Healthy fats. hahhahh

I love it. 

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« Reply #265 on: September 24, 2006, 03:50:53 PM »
No shitstain..I'm not kidding..Those aren't healthy fats he's ingesting..

Have you ever seen a crackhead or any other drug addict? They are usually extremely lean, do you think they eat clean?
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« Reply #266 on: September 24, 2006, 03:52:23 PM »
Healthy fats. hahhahh

I love it. 
Why are you laughing at me ? 

 If there's something I don't know...School me...

 I'm not insulting anyone...I'm trying to absorb all the info I can...

 If everyone is so fuckin smart and knowledgeable..Then why are so many fatasses lurking these boards?

 Why have an off season..Why not just eat like this all the time..and be in shape year round.??

 If these foods are so healthy...then why do so many exclude them from their diets ..when wanting to get in shape..??

 I'm trying to make sense of this diet Mr.Adonis is on ..that's all!

 If my questions..seem dum to some of the geniuses on the board...then don't reply..!

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« Reply #267 on: September 24, 2006, 03:55:18 PM »
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I'm out of here, man...... ::)
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« Reply #268 on: September 24, 2006, 03:57:32 PM »
Why are you laughin at me ?  If there's something I don't know...School me... I'm not insulting anyone...I'm trying to absorb all the info I can...

Fear of margarine:
The trans fat myth

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The Food and Drug Administration recently proposed (FDA proposal home page | Federal Register notice) to amend its regulations on nutrition labeling to require the amount of trans fatty acids in foods be included in Nutrition Facts panels. But the science behind this move is suspect.

A recent editorial in the New England Journal of Medicine reviewed the epidemiolgic evidence linking trans fatty acids to heart disease. The editorial concludes "Metabolic and epidemiologic studies indicate and adverse effect of trans fatty acids on the risk of coronary heart disease." Below (in italics) is what the editorial says about the epidemiology studies -- the studies that should validate the theories developed from the metabolic studies. My comments are in bold. Decide for yourself whether trans fats are guilty as charged.

In a case-control study of subjects in the Boston area, we found a strong and significant positive association between the intake of trans fatty acids, assessed with the use of dietary questionnaires, and the risk of acute myocardial infarction. The relative risk of acute myocardial infarction for the quintile with the highest intake of trans fatty acids as compared with the quintile with the lowest intake was 2.4 (P for trend less than 0.001); this association was entirely explained by the intake of these fats from hydrogenated vegetable oil.
This small study (only 239 patients from the Boston area) did not consider non-dietary risk factors for heart disease other than age and sex. Astonishingly, smoking, exercise level, health history, family health history and alcohol consumption were not considered as confounding risk factors.


Bolton-Smith et al. performed a cross-sectional analysis of the association between the intake of trans fatty acids and the presence of previously undiagnosed coronary heart disease among participants in the Scottish Heart Study. The intake of trans fatty acids was positively correlated with the ratio of LDL plus very-low-density lipoprotein cholesterol to HDL cholesterol. The odds ratios for coronary heart disease in the quintile with the highest intake as compared with the quintile with the lowest intake were elevated but not significantly so (1.26 in women and 1.08 in men).
The results from this study were weak statistical associations that were not statistically significant -- meaning the probability was unacceptably high the barely detectable associations could have occurred by chance. Even the study authors conclude,"The results, therefore, do not support a major effect of dietary trans fatty acid..."


Studies in which the composition of fatty acids in tissue or plasma was used as a marker of trans-fatty-acid intake have yielded conflicting results. With one exception, however, these studies have been too small to detect an association reliably. The results of the only large study, which included 671 men with acute myocardial infarction from eight European countries, were inconclusive. The overall analyses revealed no association between the intake of trans fatty acids and the risk of myocardial infarction.
No comment necessary.


The relative risk of coronary heart disease associated with an absolute increase of 2 percent in the intake of trans fatty acids was 1.36 (95 percent confidence interval, 1.03 to 1.81) in the Health Professionals Follow-up Study...
The result spotlighted is so misleading as to constitute scientific misconduct. The relative risk of 1.36 is a raw result, without any adjustment for other heart disease risk factors. When other risk factors are adjusted for -- including age, body mass index, smoking habits, alcohol consumption, physical activity, history of hypertension or high blood cholesterol, family history of myocardial infarction before age 60, profession, and fibre intake -- the weak relative risk is substantially reduced (by more than 50 percent) and becomes statistically insignificant.


The relative risk of coronary heart disease associated with an absolute increase of 2 percent in the intake of trans fatty acids was ... 1.14 (95 percent confidence interval, 0.96 to 1.35) in the Alpha-Tocopherol Beta-Carotene Cancer Prevention Study...
The spotlighted result is a weak association that is not statistically significant. This study consisted of 21,930 male smokers. Can you really study dietary factors for heart disease in a population where the basic lifestyle (i.e., smoking and its attendant unhealthy tendencies) is a risk factor for heart disease?


The relative risk of coronary heart disease associated with an absolute increase of 2 percent in the intake of trans fatty acids was... 1.93 (95 percent confidence interval, 1.43 to 2.61) in the Nurses' Health Study.
This is my favorite study of the bunch. Check out its results.

It reports no statistically significant association between total fat intake and risk of cornary heart disease.

It reports no statistically significant association between animal fat intake and risk of cornary heart disease.

It reports no statistically significant association between saturated fat intake and risk of cornary heart disease.

It reports no statistically significant association between cholesterol intake and risk of cornary heart disease.

The reported association between trans fat and coronary heart disease is only statistically significant for the highest consumption of trans fats -- but it's still a very weak statistical association (relative risk = 1.53).
This study basically reports that all we've been told about the association between fat consumption and heart disease is not supported by data collected from 90,000 nurses over a period of 20 years. So either the study data is wrong or the public health establishment has been wrong about fat consumption being associated with heart disease risk. If the study data is wrong, then I doubt the trans fat result. If the public health establishment is wrong then why should we believe it about trans fat when it has been generally wrong about fat consumption for the last two or three decades?

That's the epidemiology supposedly supporting the proposition that trans fats are so much of a risk for heart disease they need to be labelled. Are you convinced yet?

But there's more. Check out the authors of the studies discussed above. See if you notice anything unusual (like the underlined names).

Ascherio A, Hennekens CH, Buring JE, Master C, Stampfer MJ, Willett WC. Trans-fatty acids intake and risk of myocardial infarction. Circulation 1994;89:94-101.

Bolton-Smith C, Woodward M, Fenton S, Brown CA. Does dietary trans fatty acid intake relate to the prevalence of coronary heart disease in Scotland? Eur Heart J 1996;17:837-45.

Aro A, Kardinaal AF, Salminen I, et al. Adipose tissue isomeric trans fatty acids and risk of myocardial infarction in nine countries: the EURAMIC study. Lancet 1995;345:273-8.

Ascherio A, Rimm EB, Giovannucci EL, Spiegelman D, Stampfer M, Willett WC. Dietary fat and risk of coronary heart disease in men: cohort follow up study in the United States. BMJ 1996;313:84-90.

Pietinen P, Ascherio A, Korhonen P, Hartman AM, Willett WC, Albanes D, Virtamo J. Intake of fatty acids and risk of coronary heart disease in a cohort of Finnish men: the Alpha-Tocopherol, Beta-Carotene Cancer Prevention Study. Am J Epidemiol 1997;145:876-87.

Hu FB, Stampfer MJ, Manson JE, Rimm E, Colditz GA, Rosner BA, Hennekens CH, Willett WC. Dietary fat intake and the risk of coronary heart disease in women. N Engl J Med 1997;337:1491-9.

ALL THE STUDIES supposedly showing trans fats are associated with heart disease risk involved Alberto Ascherio and Walter Willett.

You may also be interested in knowing who authored the editorial: Alberto Ascherio, Martijn B. Katan, Peter L. Zock, Meir J. Stampfer,and Walter C. Willett.

Should the FDA be taking action because of a duet of scientists whose results are so thin? Has the FDA ever heard of the scientific method and its requirement for independent replication of scientific results?

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« Reply #269 on: September 24, 2006, 04:02:33 PM »
Hey, Adonis. You can argue nutrition all you like. What is the point of doing that? You have been challenged by Goodrum to compete against him on Stage in November. You know that judges will put a cut guy ahead of a whale. So what is the problem of accepting that challenge? Should be a piece of cake for you. On the other hand, if you lose to Goodrum, the howls of laughter will resonate here for a very long time. With the threat of that humiliation it is a safe bet you won't be stupid enough to risk that happening.

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« Reply #270 on: September 24, 2006, 04:03:49 PM »
Why are you laughing at me ? 

 If there's something I don't know...School me...

 I'm not insulting anyone...I'm trying to absorb all the info I can...

 If everyone is so fuckin smart and knowledgeable..Then why are so many fatasses lurking these boards?

 Why have an off season..Why not just eat like this all the time..and be in shape year round.??

 If these foods are so healthy...then why do so many exclude them from their diets ..when wanting to get in shape..??

 I'm trying to make sense of this diet Mr.Adonis is on ..that's all!

 If my questions..seem dum to some of the geniuses on the board...then don't reply..!

Most of these people are fat my friend from overeating. Protein and oats will make you just as fat as any other food.

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« Reply #271 on: September 24, 2006, 04:04:37 PM »
Hey, Adonis. You can argue nutrition all you like. What is the point of doing that? You have been challenged by Goodrum to compete against him on Stage in November. You know that judges will put a cut guy ahead of a whale. So what is the problem of accepting that challenge? Should be a piece of cake for you. On the other hand, if you lose to Goodrum, the howls of laughter will resonate here for a very long time. With the threat of that humiliation it is a safe bet you won't be stupid enough to risk that happening.

I refuse to compete in an organization that supports Drug Use and does not follow their own rules.

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« Reply #272 on: September 24, 2006, 04:05:09 PM »
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That is where our boy is missing it.  Sure, you can mix in some treats but the majority of the foods consumed when on a hypo-caloric diet should be relatively low in fat and definitely low in processed sugars.

Chris,

I agree with you that trans fats and processed sugar is no good for health, but I disagree with you in low fat dieting. You may be interested in this site...


http://www.thincs.org/

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« Reply #273 on: September 24, 2006, 04:05:50 PM »
Have you ever seen a crackhead or any other drug addict? They are usually extremely lean, do you think they eat clean?
Yes..I've seen crackheads..They're lean because they're on CRACK..!!.They barely eat at all!  All they do is run back and forth ..looking to get high.. If they get extra money..they dring quarter water..with a pack of chips..

 They would not spend their money on Kentucky Fried Chicken..McDonalds..Or Burger King..

 Now...what does that have to do with people who are trying to be healthy?

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« Reply #274 on: September 24, 2006, 04:06:50 PM »
Most of these people are fat my friend from overeating. Protein and oats will make you just as fat as any other food.

This is very true.


And Basile, Goodbum Vs True Adonis? You have to be joking, right?? hahaha..a guy in the street that  never worked out could beat Goodbum