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« Reply #275 on: September 24, 2006, 04:07:53 PM »
Yes..I've seen crackheads..They're lean because they're on CRACK..!!.They barely eat at all!  All they do is run back and forth ..looking to get high.. If they get extra money..they dring quarter water..with a pack of chips..

 They would not spend their money on Kentucky Fried Chicken..McDonalds..Or Burger King..

 Now...what does that have to do with people who are trying to be healthy?

Exactly. They don't give a fuck WHAT they eat, they just don't eat much. Hence, they are thin.
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« Reply #276 on: September 24, 2006, 04:09:21 PM »
Yes..I've seen crackheads..They're lean because they're on CRACK..!!.They barely eat at all!  All they do is run back and forth ..looking to get high.. If they get extra money..they dring quarter water..with a pack of chips..

 They would not spend their money on Kentucky Fried Chicken..McDonalds..Or Burger King..

 Now...what does that have to do with people who are trying to be healthy?

The ONLY DIET and ONLY THING IN THE WORLD EVER PROVEN to increase longevity in humans is an ultra low calorie diet.


Eat less, and better, to live to 120?
September 12, 2000
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By Daryn Eller
(WebMD) -- Roy Walford, M.D., professor emeritus of pathology at the University of California, Los Angeles (UCLA), is preparing to eat lunch, and you can hardly blame me for scrutinizing his plate.

This is, after all, the man who has long claimed that calorie restriction with optimal nutrition (what he calls the CRON diet) can help people live for 120 years -- possibly even longer. This is also the man who, in an era of rapidly increasing obesity, has made the radical suggestion that people maintain a weight 10 to 25 percent below their "set points" (the weight to which the body naturally gravitates). So who wouldn't want to see if the man practices what he preaches?

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Actually, Walford's lunch surprises me a little. On his plate, prepared by one of the two office assistants at his Venice Beach, California, home, is a meal not mentioned in his new book, "Beyond the 120-Year Diet," an update of his 1986 book, "The 120-Year Diet." It consists of a small slice of gourmet pizza topped with vegetables, grilled squash and a fistful of penne pasta with tomato sauce. Walford assures me this is not his usual midday repast: "I ate out last night and there were leftovers, so I brought them home." But the man is not the ascetic one might assume him to be. In fact, a lot of assumptions about Walford are off the mark.

Not your average white-coated lab rat
To be sure, Walford, 76, is unconventional. He sports a shaved head and a walrus moustache, and he lives a rather bohemian existence in a boarded-up commercial building just steps away from the Venice boardwalk -- a place where people come to whirl on skateboards, get tattooed and sometimes espouse kooky theories. He has published fiction and poetry, dabbled in performance art and among other expeditions, has trekked across Africa.

Yet Walford has also maintained a distinguished career as a gerontologist for more than 50 years. An adventurer as well as a scientist, he is best known for his two-year stint in Biosphere 2, the utopian greenhouse experiment in self-sustenance conducted in Oracle, Arizona. Because many of its crops failed, the Biosphere inadvertently became a human study in severe calorie restriction -- in fact, the only such study that has been done on humans to date.

But Biosphere also took a serious physical toll on Walford. Working six days a week in the fields left him with an injured back that ultimately required surgery. Worse, he suffered nitrous oxide poisoning because the structure's glass enclosure prevented ultraviolet light from penetrating and dissipating the gas, an agricultural byproduct. The resulting nerve damage has made it difficult for Walford to walk. When we meet, he sits somewhat hunched behind his desk the entire time. He appears more frail and diminutive than I expected.

The science of calorie restriction
The notion that humans may live 50 percent longer if they eat less is extrapolated from work with animals, Walford says. The first research showing that calorie-restricted rats live longer than their regularly fed counterparts was done in 1935 at Cornell University. Subsequent studies over the last 65 years (Walford estimates that there are 2,000 to 3,000 papers on the topic) have produced similar results and have also indicated that animals on calorie-restricted diets have a lower incidence of cancer, arteriosclerosis, and autoimmune disease. Results have been so promising that the National Institute on Aging (NIA) now spends $3 million a year to study caloric restriction, mostly in rats and monkeys, and has funded Walford's work in the past.

Walford has been doing pioneering calorie restriction work with animals since the 1960s. He's found that the animals not only live longer, they live better. For instance, his 1987 study in the Journal of Gerontology found that when mice of varying ages were placed on rotating rods to test their muscle strength and coordination, calorie-restricted 31- to 35-month-old mice performed just as well as their 11- to 15-month-old counterparts. Likewise, the older mice did as well on maze tests, indicating that they had no apparent decline in mental function. "People say they don't want to live to 120 because they think they're going to be frail for 40 years," says Walford. "They don't realize that calorie restriction extends the period of viability and good health."

Exactly how the CRON diet may extend life is not known, but several theories have been proposed. "One is that animals, when faced with a shortage of food, will rechannel energy from growth and reproduction into maintenance and repair," says Walford. Other theories suggest that the diet may limit cell-damaging free radicals, decrease blood sugar and insulin or prevent the immune system from deteriorating.

Walford concedes that we don't know for sure whether what's true for rodents applies to humans, although ongoing studies at the University of Wisconsin and the NIA using monkeys as subjects may give us a better idea. The monkeys, studied for 10 years, have demonstrated a lower rate of diabetes than their regularly fed counterparts. They've also maintained higher than normal levels of the hormone DHEA, which is associated with youth, according to Mark Lane, Ph.D., head of nutritional and molecular physiology in the Laboratory of Neurosciences at the NIA and principal investigator on the study.

Again, the closest thing to a human study is Walford's Biosphere experiment. After two years of functional caloric restriction, the inhabitants had declines in blood pressure, blood cholesterol and blood glucose, which Walford says are markers of aging. Lane, however, isn't convinced -- despite his great respect for Walford's work. "The study shows that you can produce positive health changes in people through calorie restriction, but the data I've seen don't show anything about aging."

His own guinea pig
Walford, who is currently editing a video documentary about Biosphere 2 and doing animal research at UCLA, has himself been adhering to the CRON diet since 1984. Today he carries about 134 pounds on his 5-foot-8-inch frame. "My set point is about 155," he says. "I was a Big Ten wrestling champion at the University of Chicago and I had to train down, so I know it pretty well." To stay underweight, he consumes about 1,600 calories a day, but says he doesn't feel deprived. "You get accustomed to it after a while," he says. "If you change your eating habits to include more whole food (beans, rice, vegetables and fruit), then you'll eat less."

Walford eats out about once a week, usually at one of the neighborhood's tonier restaurants. At home, on a typical day, breakfast might be a banana-strawberry milkshake or half a cup of millet with wheat germ and fruit. Lunch is a large bowl of fish chowder (made with skim milk) and a whole-grain roll or a sardine sandwich. For dinner once a week, Walford has a mega-salad of his own creation, consisting of an assortment of raw vegetables (lettuce, spinach, peppers, broccoli, sweet potato, onions, cabbage), rice and beans, and dressed with expensive (get the best, he stresses) balsamic vinegar and olive oil. A dinner roll and nonfat yogurt with apricots for dessert round out the meal. The diet is hardly fit for a gourmand, but it's not quite as austere as a monk's menu, either.

The 21st century, Walford says, will be the age of the "long-living society." In the near future, there will be advances in modern biology that will extend life spans. "But calorie restriction is the only thing that we can be relatively confident works now. If you want to hang around to take advantage of the newer techniques when they become available, this is what to do now."


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Re: BREAKING NEWS: COURTESY OF WOOD. REGARDING VINCE GOODRUM 2ND PLACE
« Reply #277 on: September 24, 2006, 04:11:24 PM »

The Mountaineer Novice class is for new competitors only.  So novice wasn't an option.  And I actually trained for 12 weeks but I was thinking about the posing practice which I did for 8 weeks.  It is fustrating to train hard, eat clean, and diet for so long  for things to come apart in the end but that's the way it went down.  And even if I nailed my conditioning, that guy I went against would have still won anyway because he was that good.

But in life, you get thrown off the horse and you dust yourself off but you get back on.  I'll get some rest and be back in the gym training in no time.  I'll put the trophy next to my other ones in my office..... ;D 

As far as Adonis is concerned, he doesn't get it.  It doesn't make a difference how many pictures you take by camera.  Its a whole new world when you get onstage because being in good shape will get you no-where.  Quincy Roberts's Elite Classic is in Nov and its very close to where he is.  He's more than welcome to hop onstage and go against me.  However don't expect him to

Adonis cannot win any bodybuilding show because he doesn't have the courage to get onstage.  His photo physique would be mush onstage because he doesn't have any size.  You can look good in front of a camera, you can look good in a mirror, but on-stage its a whole new ballgame.


That's all, I'm going to relax and enjoy the fact that I did put my best efforts in to win the show and fell short of the ultimate goal.  But I will return onstage after some help from my friends and bring the pain,




dose of reality Vince...

Adonis would crush you and I will bet money it...

put up or shut up

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« Reply #278 on: September 24, 2006, 04:12:39 PM »
Chris,

I agree with you that trans fats and processed sugar is no good for health, but I disagree with you in low fat dieting. You may be interested in this site...


http://www.thincs.org/

You will note I said RELATIVELY low in fat  :).  I said that because I fully realize fat provides satiety in one's diet and should be included.  The only problem with fat is its caloric density.  Your relative consumption of fat should vary depending on the total number of calories being consumed.  The less calories you are consuming the less fat you should consume to a given point.  I think fat should always be at least 15% of your calories consumed and usually significantly higher.
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« Reply #279 on: September 24, 2006, 04:13:30 PM »
Most of these people are fat my friend from overeating. Protein and oats will make you just as fat as any other food.
I can understand this Mr.Adonis...So every single meal you have contains these kinds of fats..and sugars.?

 I'm absolutely looking into this...You look great...No matter how many times I insulted you...One thing I've said from the beginning ..is you look awesome..

 Most people(like myself) are scared of change.. Wer'e shown one method of doing thing's ..and we get stuck ..and believe,,there are no other ways..

 Thank you for the reply kind sir(Mr.Adonis)

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« Reply #280 on: September 24, 2006, 04:16:07 PM »
Exactly. They don't give a f**k WHAT they eat, they just don't eat much. Hence, they are thin.
Aaaahhhh...POINT MADE!!!!!!!  VERY GOOD!!!!!!!! That along with a couple hrs. of sleep a month..and you're..ready for the O..!

 Understood Danielson..

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« Reply #281 on: September 24, 2006, 04:16:21 PM »
I can understand this Mr.Adonis...So every single meal you have contains these kinds of fats..and sugars.?

 I'm absolutely looking into this...You look great...No matter how many times I insulted you...One thing I've said from the beginning ..is you look awesome..

 Most people(like myself) are scared of change.. Wer'e shown one method of doing thing's ..and we get stuck ..and believe,,there are no other ways..

 Thank you for the reply kind sir(Mr.Adonis)

You have got your whole life to live.

You guys really should try something different.

Something backed by logic and Science.

Ingesting Large amounts of Protein and food is just horrible.  Any food.

Where I come into play is that I have devised an extremely accurate formula for everyone that determines HOW MUCH you can eat based on heat and Thermodynamics.

ANYBODY!

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« Reply #282 on: September 24, 2006, 04:17:21 PM »
Aaaahhhh...POINT MADE!!!!!!!  VERY GOOD!!!!!!!! That along with a couple hrs. of sleep a month..and you're..ready for the O..!

 Understood Danielson..

I was only talking about weight loss, not muscle building. ;)
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« Reply #283 on: September 24, 2006, 04:19:29 PM »
You have got your whole life to live.

You guys really should try something different.

Something backed by logic and Science.

Ingesting Large amounts of Protein and food is just horrible.  Any food.

Where I come into play is that I have devised an extremely accurate formula for everyone that determines HOW MUCH you can eat based on heat and Thermodynamics.

ANYBODY!

If your "formula" is so accurate then why did you lose so much muscle?

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« Reply #284 on: September 24, 2006, 04:21:02 PM »
If your "formula" is so accurate then why did you lose so much muscle?



He never had any.
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« Reply #285 on: September 24, 2006, 04:23:08 PM »
You have got your whole life to live.

You guys really should try something different.

Something backed by logic and Science.

Ingesting Large amounts of Protein and food is just horrible.  Any food.

Where I come into play is that I have devised an extremely accurate formula for everyone that determines HOW MUCH you can eat based on heat and Thermodynamics.

ANYBODY!
Plese Mr.Adonis...If for your morals..you don't want to give any of your money to a corrupt organization...If.. some of these gentleman would like to join me...in putting the money in your PAYPAL account...so you can shut Vince up..

 Just think about it..it's coming out of our pockets..not yours..once again..Thank you.for the reply.

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« Reply #286 on: September 24, 2006, 04:23:49 PM »
If your "formula" is so accurate then why did you lose so much muscle?



I didn`t lose an ounce.


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« Reply #287 on: September 24, 2006, 04:27:04 PM »
Great work TA. You look like you lost practically no muscle and thats quite a feat for a natural bodybuilder. BTW side tricep pose is INSANE.

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« Reply #288 on: September 24, 2006, 04:28:38 PM »
adonis..why are u trying to reinvent the wheel?

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« Reply #289 on: September 24, 2006, 04:28:52 PM »
I was only talking about weight loss, not muscle building. ;)
Damn brotha...You made it super simple..to understand that point..Fuck all of the science..It's  common sense..


 Thank you my man ..

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« Reply #290 on: September 24, 2006, 04:31:12 PM »
Damn brotha...You made it super simple..to understand that point..f**k all of the science..It's  common sense..


 Thank you my man ..


anytime. :)
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« Reply #291 on: September 24, 2006, 04:34:26 PM »
anytime. :)
You and Adonis are good dudes!.

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« Reply #292 on: September 24, 2006, 04:36:35 PM »
ADONIS...CONGRATS ! u look good...but damn man...u are one ugly mofo :)) :)...no offense

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« Reply #293 on: September 24, 2006, 04:39:20 PM »
You and Adonis are good dudes!.

I am not saying to eat that way. I most certainly DO NOT. I was only saying that it is possible to lose weight on that type of diet.
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« Reply #294 on: September 24, 2006, 04:41:18 PM »
back to the topic, here is vince abs thigh pose from the 2006 mountaineer

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« Reply #295 on: September 24, 2006, 04:44:51 PM »
You have got your whole life to live.

You guys really should try something different.

Something backed by logic and Science.

Ingesting Large amounts of Protein and food is just horrible.  Any food.

Where I come into play is that I have devised an extremely accurate formula for everyone that determines HOW MUCH you can eat based on heat and Thermodynamics.

ANYBODY!
Except for all the logic and science that says you're wrong. And not a single published research article that supports you. B.S. isn't a science.
I min/max my physique

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« Reply #296 on: September 24, 2006, 04:46:32 PM »
Except for all the logic and science that says you're wrong. And not a single published research article that supports you. B.S. isn't a science.

Wrong.
EVERYTHING is backed by Scientific Research.

I should have it all compiled and ready to go soon.  240 is going to help me get it straightened out.

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« Reply #297 on: September 24, 2006, 04:50:26 PM »
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You will note I said RELATIVELY low in fat  Smiley.  I said that because I fully realize fat provides satiety in one's diet and should be included.  The only problem with fat is its caloric density.  Your relative consumption of fat should vary depending on the total number of calories being consumed.  The less calories you are consuming the less fat you should consume to a given point.  I think fat should always be at least 15% of your calories consumed and usually significantly higher.

I myself prefer fat over carbs. Carbs just make me want to pig out.  ;)

I think Adonis has done very well with the genetics given to him by his parents. All we can do is reach our potential.

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« Reply #298 on: September 24, 2006, 04:53:53 PM »
High Fructose Corn Syrup (HFCS) and its Potential Role in Fatty Liver Disease
21-Jul-2006

by Raphael Merriman, MD

Nonalcoholic steatohepatitis (NASH) is characterized by fat in the liver causing variable amounts of inflammation and scarring in people who drink little or no alcohol. Obesity is a major risk factor for NASH, which is becoming increasingly common in adults and children. Obesity is also the major risk factor for insulin resistance. Insulin, a hormone secreted by the pancreas, helps the body use glucose (blood sugar) allowing it to enter muscle and liver cells for use as energy or storage. Insulin resistance occurs when those cells are less sensitive to normal amounts of insulin, causing the pancreas to increase secretion. This can lead to diabetes and elevated cholesterol, both of which are also strongly associated with NASH. Therefore it is not surprising that insulin resistance has recently emerged as the main underlying metabolic abnormality in NASH.

As obesity has escalated to epidemic levels, there has been an increase in both total caloric consumption and the consumption of certain substances in the typical American diet. A glance at the nutrition labels of most processed foods will show the near ever-presence of an added sweetener called high fructose corn syrup (HFCS), which is made by converting inexpensive corn starch into a high fructose mix. On a sweetness scale, fructose is nearly twice as sweet as ‘regular’ sugar (sucrose), and it now accounts for over 40% of caloric sweeteners added to food products. HFCS has largely replaced sucrose in sodas, fruit juices, dairy products, most baked goods and numerous processed products. For example, 60% of the calories in apple juice, used also as the base for many fruit drinks, come from fructose.

But why has concern been expressed about HFCS? Is it simply that we are consuming more calories (and added sweeteners) in larger portion sizes? Though that also appears true, recent research indicates a more troubling side of HFCS. The metabolism of fructose is substantially different from that of the main human sugar, glucose. Unlike glucose, fructose does not stimulate insulin release from the pancreas or leptin release, another hormone important in regulating appetite. As a result, the brain does not sense the need to limit food intake. This leads to further caloric intake, weight gain and obesity. Of even greater concern, when large quantities of fructose are consumed, it bypasses the usual control mechanisms and is preferentially converted to fat, leading to liver fat accumulation and high cholesterol. Additionally, the long term consumption of HFCS-laden diets has recently been implicated in the development of insulin resistance. Therefore many aspects of HFCS use point to its potential role in the development of NASH.

What should the consumer do? Limiting HFCS intake would seem prudent but can prove difficult as the precise HFCS content of food products is often difficult to decipher from food labels. Widely accepted guidelines are not available though the World Health Organization (WHO) has recommended limiting added sugars to less than 10% of total daily calories. Further research on HFCS will shed more light on its role in fatty liver disease.

Dr. Merriman is Assistant Professor of Medicine at the University of California, San Francisco.

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« Reply #299 on: September 24, 2006, 05:37:11 PM »
Except for all the logic and science that says you're wrong. And not a single published research article that supports you. B.S. isn't a science.
Sure there is. I can post a study where subjects lost fat by eating all their carbs from table sugar.

Adonis is more right than wrong. Get "enough" protein, eat below maintenance calories, get the calories from whatever you wish and you lose fat and preserve muscle.

The two most important things for success: get enough protein, which isn't a humongous amount, get enough essential fat... and the rest don't matter much.

Look at Vince Taylor. He drinks a couple of quarts of regular Coke year round, eats at burger king year round. He said he avoids pizza and cookies the last couple of weeks before a show but otherwise he's very relaxed about his diet.