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Former CIA Agent Scheuer: Clinton is Lying
« on: September 26, 2006, 11:16:10 AM »
RUSH: We're going to switch gears here and go to CBS Early Show today, the cohost Harry Smith talked to former CIA analyst Michael Scheuer. Now, we've talked about Scheuer in the past. Keep in mind Scheuer is no fan of Bush, no fan of the Bush administration, and no fan of the war in Iraq, but he was involved in one of these CIA missions to get bin Laden. Harry Smith, I'm sure, thinks he's doing a piece here to defend Clinton against this neocon, vast right-wing conspiracy assault on their beloved fearless leader on Fox on Sunday. The question is, "President Clinton basically laid blame at the feet of the CIA and the FBI for not being able to certify…"

 About that, and talking about presidential and character. I mean, we've all heard about how rotten and dumb and lightweight George W. Bush is, have you ever heard him blame his administration? He stands and he bucks them up, he supports them, he doesn't dump on them. Only a man who is obsessed with himself in a narcissistic way and knows that he's telling lies to himself, ends up believing his lies. Only a guy who knows he didn't do anything serious in his administration is trying to create the impression after the fact that he did, would dump on his own department head, his own cabinet, CIA, FBI, as though he was powerless. Richard Clarke wrote about that, too. The reason Clinton was powerless was because he had a little aversion to the military because of his Vietnam experiences, his letter that he wrote to Colonel Holmes, Lewinsky situation. Clinton was handcuffed in his own mind. He was handcuffed by his previous behavior. He was in a straitjacket, he couldn't operate without threatening the approval rating and the legacy and so forth. Clarke makes this point clear, that that was Clinton's attitude. So now you gotta dump on the FBI, you gotta dump on the CIA, and now after those people are gone and they can't react to it, it is classic childish CYA, and it certainly is not presidential.

Here's the whole question. "President Clinton basically laid the blame at the feet of the CIA and the FBI for not being able to certify or verify that bin Laden was responsible for a number of different attacks. Does that ring true with you, Michael Scheuer?"

SCHEUER: No, sir, I don't think so. Former president seems to be able to deny facts with impunity. Bin Laden is alive today because Mr. Clinton, Mr. Sandy Berger and Mr. Richard Clarke refused to kill him. That's the bottom line. And every time he says what he said to Chris Wallace on Fox, he defames the CIA especially, and the men who risked their lives to give his administration repeated chances to kill bin Laden.

RUSH: Harry Smith stunned at this, says, "Is the Bush administration any less responsible for not finishing the job in Tora Bora?"

SCHEUER: There's plenty of blame to go around, sir, but the fact of the matter is the Bush administration had one chance that they botched, and the Clinton administration had eight to ten chances that they refused to try. At least at Tora Bora our forces were on the ground. We didn't push the point. But it's just -- it's an incredible kind of situation for the American people over the weekend to hear their former president mislead them.

RUSH: Remember, this is no friend of George W. Bush speaking, Michael Scheuer, former CIA agent. He's saying Clinton didn't even try, and yet the famous bite from that interview yesterday with Clinton losing it, purple rage, eyes bugging out, pointing that finger at poor little Chris Wallace, had -- (interruption) what? CBS. CBS is in the on the conspiracy to get Clinton along with ABC. Don't forget, I've been a commentator on CBS, so I have connections to CBS as well as the writer of the movie 9/11 and ABC. So my fingerprints are very, very deep on this, in this conspiracy to get Clinton.

But he says here Clinton didn't even try. Clinton blew up yesterday, said at least I tried, I tried and failed, but they didn't even try, not once in eight months did they even try. Here's Scheuer saying he didn't even try.

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Re: Former CIA Agent Scheuer: Clinton is Lying
« Reply #1 on: September 26, 2006, 03:05:40 PM »
What? No one wants to respond to this??

I kept on getting asked "Show me where he lied" "Show me where he lied"......well, here ya go!

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Re: Former CIA Agent Scheuer: Clinton is Lying
« Reply #2 on: September 26, 2006, 03:07:46 PM »
Everyone knows Clinton is a liar.
Everyone knows Bush is a liar.

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Re: Former CIA Agent Scheuer: Clinton is Lying
« Reply #3 on: September 26, 2006, 03:09:43 PM »
Not everyone.   :)

I-One, not a lot of substance to Scheuer's claim:  "No, sir, I don't think so. Former president seems to be able to deny facts with impunity. Bin Laden is alive today because Mr. Clinton, Mr. Sandy Berger and Mr. Richard Clarke refused to kill him. That's the bottom line."

Proof?  fyi - I don't have an opinion on this one way or the other. 

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Re: Former CIA Agent Scheuer: Clinton is Lying
« Reply #4 on: September 26, 2006, 03:42:08 PM »
It's not factual evidence.

It's an opinion.

That's a problem.

Many people believe that Clinton didn't do jack shit. This guy just adds to that group, he doesn't add anything new, really.


Whether or not he's right, I cannot say though. I have too little information on the situation.

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Re: Former CIA Agent Scheuer: Clinton is Lying
« Reply #5 on: September 26, 2006, 04:20:13 PM »
He clearly says "I don't THINK so"

That is an opinion, not a fact, or even an assertion of fact.

The FACTS however support Clinton's statements, ...because to this day the FBI refuses to state OBL was responsible for 911.

I-One, if you believe Clinton was lying, why don't you read Richard Clarke's book. This was the General who served under Reagan, Bush 41, Clinton and Bush 43. Of all people, he would be in a position to know what actions were taken through 4 different administrations. Or do you accuse the general of lying as well?

As for the allegation made elsewhere that Clinton intimidated Wallace. That I definitely agree with.

I don't think Clinton purposely attempted to intimidate him with his size, but it was apparent Wallace was shitting himself. Clinton was animated as hell, and when you're attempting to blind side and do a hatchet job on someone the size of Clinton and he leans forward in his chair like that, ...you'd probably expect him to take your lights out. Wallace's own guilt is what scared him.
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Re: Former CIA Agent Scheuer: Clinton is Lying
« Reply #6 on: September 26, 2006, 07:45:01 PM »
He clearly says "I don't THINK so"

That is an opinion, not a fact, or even an assertion of fact.

The FACTS however support Clinton's statements, ...because to this day the FBI refuses to state OBL was responsible for 911.

I-One, if you believe Clinton was lying, why don't you read Richard Clarke's book. This was the General who served under Reagan, Bush 41, Clinton and Bush 43. Of all people, he would be in a position to know what actions were taken through 4 different administrations. Or do you accuse the general of lying as well?

As for the allegation made elsewhere that Clinton intimidated Wallace. That I definitely agree with.

I don't think Clinton purposely attempted to intimidate him with his size, but it was apparent Wallace was shitting himself. Clinton was animated as hell, and when you're attempting to blind side and do a hatchet job on someone the size of Clinton and he leans forward in his chair like that, ...you'd probably expect him to take your lights out. Wallace's own guilt is what scared him.


O brother..... Bill Clinton being intimidating lmao!!!!

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Re: Former CIA Agent Scheuer: Clinton is Lying
« Reply #8 on: September 26, 2006, 10:23:35 PM »
Clinton had a clear oppertunity to ice Bin laden whne Sudan wanted to turn him over to us. They did nothing. Clinton so desparately wanted to be a war time president..he go his ridiculous war in Kosovo. No matter what and Lib says on this board..Clinton did nothing to stop Bin  Laden..if u want to debate this go ahead. There is no..zero proof for any of the claims that Clinton made. Clinton destroyed the US military. He introduced the ridiclous social experiments that have degraded military readiness and that we are still recovering from. We got involved in the waste of time that was Bosnia. We were supposed to be there a year...we still have 5000 soldiers there. Bush Sn did draw down the Services...as a reaction to the changing threats and break up of the Soviet Union. Clinton began a whole sale dismantling. Weapons programs cut...redundant systems cancelled. He sucks!!!
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Re: Former CIA Agent Scheuer: Clinton is Lying
« Reply #9 on: September 27, 2006, 04:57:12 AM »
Another politician lied??? No way. What's this country coming to?

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Re: Former CIA Agent Scheuer: Clinton is Lying
« Reply #10 on: September 27, 2006, 05:36:18 AM »
Another politician lied??? No way. What's this country coming to?
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Re: Former CIA Agent Scheuer: Clinton is Lying
« Reply #11 on: September 27, 2006, 05:39:02 AM »
Just read an article that gives chronological information during Pres. Clinton's term:

AT WAR

What Clinton Didn't Do . . .
. . . .and when he didn't do it.

BY RICHARD MINITER
Wednesday, September 27, 2006 12:01 a.m.

Bill Clinton's outburst on Fox News was something of a public service, launching a debate about the antiterror policies of his administration. This is important because every George W. Bush policy that arouses the ire of Democrats--the Patriot Act, extraordinary rendition, detention without trial, pre-emptive war--is a departure from his predecessor. Where policies overlap--air attacks on infrastructure, secret presidential orders to kill terrorists, intelligence sharing with allies, freezing bank accounts, using police to arrest terror suspects--there is little friction. The question, then, is whether America should return to Mr. Clinton's policies or soldier on with Mr. Bush's.
It is vital that this debate be honest, but so far this has not been the case. Both Mr. Clinton's outrage at Chris Wallace's questioning and the ABC docudrama "The Path to 9/11" are attempts to polarize the nation's memory. While this divisiveness may be good for Mr. Clinton's reputation, it is ultimately unhealthy for the country. What we need, instead, is a cold-eyed look at what works against terrorists and what does not. The policies of the Clinton and Bush administrations ought to be put to the same iron test.

With that in mind, let us examine Mr. Clinton's war on terror. Some 38 days after he was sworn in, al Qaeda attacked the World Trade Center. He did not visit the twin towers that year, even though four days after the attack he was just across the Hudson River in New Jersey, talking about job training. He made no attempt to rally the public against terrorism. His only public speech on the bombing was a few paragraphs inserted into a radio address mostly devoted an economic stimulus package. Those stray paragraphs were limited to reassuring the public and thanking the rescuers, the kinds of things governors say after hurricanes. He did not even vow to bring the bombers to justice. Instead, he turned the first terrorist attack on American soil over to the FBI.
In his Fox interview, Mr. Clinton said "no one knew that al Qaeda existed" in October 1993, during the tragic events in Somalia. But his national security adviser, Tony Lake, told me that he first learned of bin Laden "sometime in 1993," when he was thought of as a terror financier. U.S. Army Capt. James Francis Yacone, a black hawk squadron commander in Somalia, later testified that radio intercepts of enemy mortar crews firing at Americans were in Arabic, not Somali, suggesting the work of bin Laden's agents (who spoke Arabic), not warlord Farah Aideed's men (who did not). CIA and DIA reports also placed al Qaeda operatives in Somalia at the time.

By the end of Mr. Clinton's first year, al Qaeda had apparently attacked twice. The attacks would continue for every one of the Clinton years.

• In 1994, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed (who would later plan the 9/11 attacks) launched "Operation Bojinka" to down 11 U.S. planes simultaneously over the Pacific. A sharp-eyed Filipina police officer foiled the plot. The sole American response: increased law-enforcement cooperation with the Philippines.

• In 1995, al Qaeda detonated a 220-pound car bomb outside the Office of Program Manager in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, killing five Americans and wounding 60 more. The FBI was sent in.

• In 1996, al Qaeda bombed the barracks of American pilots patrolling the "no-fly zones" over Iraq, killing 19. Again, the FBI responded.

• In 1997, al Qaeda consolidated its position in Afghanistan and bin Laden repeatedly declared war on the U.S. In February, bin Laden told an Arab TV network: "If someone can kill an American soldier, it is better than wasting time on other matters." No response from the Clinton administration.

• In 1998, al Qaeda simultaneously bombed U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, killing 224, including 12 U.S. diplomats. Mr. Clinton ordered cruise-missile strikes on Afghanistan and Sudan in response. Here Mr. Clinton's critics are wrong: The president was right to retaliate when America was attacked, irrespective of the Monica Lewinsky case.

Still, "Operation Infinite Reach" was weakened by Clintonian compromise. The State Department feared that Pakistan might spot the American missiles in its air space and misinterpret it as an Indian attack. So Mr. Clinton told Gen. Joe Ralston, vice chairman of Joint Chiefs of Staff, to notify Pakistan's army minutes before the Tomahawks passed over Pakistan. Given Pakistan's links to jihadis at the time, it is not surprising that bin Laden was tipped off, fleeing some 45 minutes before the missiles arrived.

• In 1999, the Clinton administration disrupted al Qaeda's Millennium plots, a series of bombings stretching from Amman to Los Angeles. This shining success was mostly the work of Richard Clarke, a NSC senior director who forced agencies to work together. But the Millennium approach was shortlived. Over Mr. Clarke's objections, policy reverted to the status quo.

• In January 2000, al Qaeda tried and failed to attack the U.S.S. The Sullivans off Yemen. (Their boat sank before they could reach their target.) But in October 2000, an al Qaeda bomb ripped a hole in the hull of the U.S.S. Cole, killing 17 sailors and wounding another 39.

When Mr. Clarke presented a plan to launch a massive cruise missile strike on al Qaeda and Taliban facilities in Afghanistan, the Clinton cabinet voted against it. After the meeting, a State Department counterterrorism official, Michael Sheehan, sought out Mr. Clarke. Both told me that they were stunned. Mr. Sheehan asked Mr. Clarke: "What's it going to take to get them to hit al Qaeda in Afghanistan? Does al Qaeda have to attack the Pentagon?"


There is much more to Mr. Clinton's record--how Predator drones, which spotted bin Laden three times in 1999 and 2000, were grounded by bureaucratic infighting; how a petty dispute with an Arizona senator stopped the CIA from hiring more Arabic translators. While it is easy to look back in hindsight and blame Bill Clinton, the full scale and nature of the terrorist threat was not widely appreciated until 9/11. Still: Bill Clinton did not fully grasp that he was at war. Nor did he intuit that war requires overcoming bureaucratic objections and a democracy's natural reluctance to use force. That is a hard lesson. But it is better to learn it from studying the Clinton years than reliving them.
Mr. Miniter, a fellow at the Hudson Institute, is author of "Disinformation: 22 Media Myths that Undermine the War on Terror" (Regnery, 2005).


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Re: Former CIA Agent Scheuer: Clinton is Lying
« Reply #12 on: September 27, 2006, 09:20:56 AM »
Name one politian who does not lie  ;D
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