And his losing of the contest in these ones haha! Look at cutler back! Cutler has a better back than Coleman now. Better hams, calves and glutes. Look at his quads in the front lat spread. Bigger and more detailed!Ronnie has him on the side chest and vascularity. Thats about it. Jay is better! Those who say Jay is not as detailed as Ronnie are exaggerating. Jay is just as detailed he is not as vascular. That is a drawback for Jay. but I love how the nuthuggers don't mention how Jays quads are bigger drier and way more detailed than Ronnie's.