ND...that pic of Dorian is awesome. He was a deserving champ. Ronnie in 2003 (gut or no gut) was the most muscular alien to ever step onto a bodybuilding stage. If he would have come into this show at 80% of that condition, he would have won convincingly. Only Doz in his prime could have compared, but I believe that Ronnie on that day was unbeatable as he was tremendously huge and peeled. Now, to debate who is better....ehhrrr..we already have a small thread going on somewhere on these boards...lol. Peace all.