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[Matt C]

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[240 is Back]

In terms of both historical logic (judging standards, precedents, and so on) and physique quality, this decision is still not sitting right with me.

Why now, and not 2001?
How did Jay beat Ronnie on the front poses?
How did Jay win the posing round?
Jay looked softer on day one, they didn't release any scorecards.
Did Ronnie already know? Why was Jay so calm?
Did MoneyTech really agree to put $X into NPC shows this year?
Is it true BSN, whose contract with Ronnie is up in Nov, didn't want to commit to sponsoring the 2007 until they had more information?
How did jay's melting abs and wide midsection beat Dex & Melvin on Ab/Thigh?
How did the PDI play into this, and why did Jay automatically mention it in his speech?

Lotsa weird stuff swirling around.

[phyxsius]

Maybe they're sick of Ronnie's lack of commitment in promoting the sport (missing the radio show) and also his dead tongue.. Ugly looking and sporting a bloated gut won't put bodybuilding onto the map of the world..

So they're thinking of a change..

- Dexter is too ugly.. scared the kids away with his smile
- Victor was a convict.. might end up making IFBB as international drug dealing organisation
- Gustavo..... nothing to say about him apart from "must have side tricep to win"
- Gunter's physique is just not convincing enough..
- Melvin still have some years ahead of him..
- Chris Cormier is too busy on the phone, partying and digging at chicks.. talk about commitment
- Markus is too busy on the bed with his wife..
- Toney who? Is he in the Kellogg's Frosties?
- Branch Warren - too old and unhealthy.. Besides, he has Gotham City to look after
- Lee Priest - Got spanked.. Go To Jail, Do Not Pass Go

Eventually Jay is the last choice 

[PORKY]

  More like the IFBB is worried about pros switching over to PDI since the winners line up are almost the same every year plus a loss of interest for a lot of people if Ronnie won again.So the next best thing was to let Jay win thus making it all exciting....spicing up the bodybuilding scene after a long reign by Ronnie...so like a big conspiracy to keep the IFBB's business up there.

[NarcissisticDeity]

They will all be up here when all is said and done:

http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/olympia2006updates.html

For starters:

http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/jaycutlerwins.html

In terms of both historical logic (judging standards, precedents, and so on) and physique quality, this decision is still not sitting right with me.

I don't think there was a single Mr. Olympia contest where any industry expert would say Dorian dominated. Won? Sure. But there is a difference between simply winning a contest and winning it by such a large margin that there is no room for doubt in the minds of the people in the know.

Matt you really don't know what you're talking about , seriously . Dorian was one of the most dominant bodybuilders EVER ! he enetered 17 shows and won 15 of them . the only two times he did lose were both second places . almost every single one of his Mr Oympia wins were with straight firsts , 1992 he dominated , in 1993 he set a new standard and he the judges didn't even need to call him out in the muscularity round because he was so far ahead of everyone. 1994 off from 1993 but still good enough to win , to my knowlege he didn't get straight first in one of the posing rounds but did in the meat & potatos , the symmetry & muscularity rounds , 1995 MATCH his 1993 overall package and DOMINATED just like 1993

1995 was the contest Paul Dillett said " I've seen Jesus Christ and he looks like Dorian Yates " thats a hell of an endorsment. 1996 another easy win , not as dominant as 93/95 but another day in the office . 1997 now let me preface this with my personal opinion , I personally don't think he should have won. however the judges gave him straight firsts in all 4 rounds this means he beat everyone with ease ! Durring his reign he faced ONLY one person with the potentail to beat him and thats was Flex Wheeler and we all know how that turned out. Dorian's win percentage rate is 88% and thats amazing considering its such a subjective sport compared that to Ronnie whos win percentage is just 42% and its plainly evident who dominated the sport of bodybuilding and who didn't.

Now concerning 2006 , I looked at the pictures from as many sources as I could find and my first impression was " Wow Ronnie is really off , even more so than 2001/2002 " and then Jay was much improved even from 2005 and I thought they're gonna screw Jay again and what a shame it would be too .

I had Jay winning the the ab-thigh , side chest , side triceps and the back latspread and double biceps , it was painfully obvious Jay was the better conditioned athlete and according to the judges he beat Ronnie easily and he they did the right thing. Now I understand you're a huge Ronnie fan but please understand bias is preventing you from seeing the facts and the fact is Ronnie lost fair & square.

[Tigerman]

Matt you really don't know what you're talking about , seriously . Dorian was one of the most dominant bodybuilders EVER ! he enetered 17 shows and won 15 of them . the only two times he did lose were both second places . almost every single one of his Mr Oympia wins were with straight firsts , 1992 he dominated , in 1993 he set a new standard and he the judges didn't even need to call him out in the muscularity round because he was so far ahead of everyone. 1994 off from 1993 but still good enough to win , to my knowlege he didn't get straight first in one of the posing rounds but did in the meat & potatos , the symmetry & muscularity rounds , 1995 MATCH his 1993 overall package and DOMINATED just like 1993

1995 was the contest Paul Dillett said " I've seen Jesus Christ and he looks like Dorian Yates " thats a hell of an endorsment. 1996 another easy win , not as dominant as 93/95 but another day in the office . 1997 now let me preface this with my personal opinion , I personally don't think he should have won. however the judges gave him straight firsts in all 4 rounds this means he beat everyone with ease ! Durring his reign he faced ONLY one person with the potentail to beat him and thats was Flex Wheeler and we all know how that turned out. Dorian's win percentage rate is 88% and thats amazing considering its such a subjective sport compared that to Ronnie whos win percentage is just 42% and its plainly evident who dominated the sport of bodybuilding and who didn't.

Now concerning 2006 , I looked at the pictures from as many sources as I could find and my first impression was " Wow Ronnie is really off , even more so than 2001/2002 " and then Jay was much improved even from 2005 and I thought they're gonna screw Jay again and what a shame it would be too .

I had Jay winning the the ab-thigh , side chest , side triceps and the back latspread and double biceps , it was painfully obvious Jay was the better conditioned athlete and according to the judges he beat Ronnie easily and he they did the right thing. Now I understand you're a huge Ronnie fan but please understand bias is preventing you from seeing the facts and the fact is Ronnie lost fair & square.

Since when Paul Dillett is the voice of the truth ND? Come on dude, once you said that Sergio's opinion about Ronnie being much better than Dorian was crap, and now you invoke nothing less than Paul Dillett... a real authority!
I can agree with you about Jay defeating Ronnie in back latspread and double bis, and side triceps. Actually I can go as far as saying that Ronnie didn't win the front lat spread. But how in the hell you can say that Ronnie lost the side chest??? And the abs and thighs? 
I had Ronnie first but I can survive with the decision of the judges, it's a subjective sport. However the claim that Ronnie lost fair and square is false, heavily influenced by the hype and the bunch of trolls that lately are particularly excited on this board.

[NarcissisticDeity]

ND - what I mean is that in every year it can be debated that Dorian could have lost.  Whereas Ronnie had 1998 and 2003 where nobody would open it to debate.

Perhaps Dorian in 1992 definitely won with no questions asked, although Kevin Levrone felt the title was his.  Dorian won handily, but there is a difference between winning by a narrow margin (like Ronnie in 2005) versus winning by a country mile (Ronnie in 2003).  I think Dorian more or less usually won by a narrow margin, albeit consistently.

I still think Ronnie should have won this year, but Jay's back lat spread was incredible and definitely ahead of Ronnie's which is made even more impressive in light of the fact that three years ago Ronnie was so far ahead of Jay it would have been like comparing a top pro to a top amateur competitor: meaning there was NO comparison.  Good on Jay for making those improvements.

Pictures from 2003 with Ronnie destroying Jay.  This was a victory and not one by a narrow margin:

http://www.flexonline.com/news/17

Again Matt you're just outright wrong , Dorian dominated period , he was never in danger of being beaten , he never had a Ronnie Coleman close call like 2001/2002/2004 these were all close calls. Dorian to the best of my knowlege won almost every one of his titles with straight firsts , I believe in 94 he may not have finished one of the posing rounds with a straight first but make NO mistake personal opinions aside according to the judges score cards no one ever came close to beating Dorian Yates , so again your statement he didn't dominate is simply wrong.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Since when Paul Dillett is the voice of the truth ND? Come on dude, once you said that Sergio's opinion about Ronnie being much better than Dorian was crap, and now you invoke nothing less than Paul Dillett... a real authority!
I can agree with you about Jay defeating Ronnie in back latspread and double bis, and side triceps. Actually I can go as far as saying that Ronnie didn't win the front lat spread. But how in the hell you can say that Ronnie lost the side chest??? And the abs and thighs? 
I had Ronnie first but I can survive with the decision of the judges, it's a subjective sport. However the claim that Ronnie lost fair and square is false, heavily influenced by the hype and the bunch of trolls that lately are particularly excited on this board.

Paul is NOT the voice of truth but his opinion of being at the 1995 is indictive of the general consensus that Dorian like in 1993 simply dominated everyone , I've read all the contest footage from the magazines and not just Flex and all resoundly are unanimous .

Now to Ronnie 2006 again when I looked at the pictures and NOT from just Flexonline I couldn't believe how off Ronnie was and I thought Jay improved from last year , after veiwing the pics I came to the conclusion Jay was better and not by just a little , but my fear was Ronnie was going to be handed a gift and that would have been sad , but the judges did the right thing , on the scorecard it wasn't even close 22 to 38

Normally Ronnie would win the side chest and ab-thigh but not in 06 , he was smooth as a babies ass , he was a wreck and frankly I'm surprised it wasn't closer between him and Victor , anyway Shawn Ray and Milos both had Ronnie as losing and most of the writers who were there , I know its extremly difficult for a Coleman fan to deal with but Ronnie was NOT deserving to win and I don't think Jay is what I would consider Mr Olympia material , hell I would have been happy if Melvin won but based on the criteria they've been using Jay was the desereving winner , Jay may not be better than Ronnie 364 days out of the year but he was most certainly better than Ronnie on the day it matter most .

[TDK]

If Jay were a picture he would be an outline drawing.  Ronnie would have all the little details filled in.

Hope that makes sense lol

[NarcissisticDeity]

I'm not saying Dorian wasn't the clear victor, but as I said, there is a difference between winning by a wide margin and winning in a fashion like Ronnie did in 2000-2002 where it can be debated the decision could go the other way with relative ease.

Do most industry experts agree that 1992, 1993, and 1995 were not open for debate for Dorian's victories?  In which case, I would admit I'm wrong.

Well reguardless of anyones personal opinions the judges gave Dorian straight firsts in 1993/1995/1996/1997 and thats as good as it gets , you can't get a better score , in 93 he set a new standard in bodybuilding and he matched that in 1995 thats as wide of a margian as you can get , I don't know if he got straight firsts in 1992 but if it was a close contest they would have made note of that , which they didn't .

[rocco911]

They will all be up here when all is said and done:

http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/olympia2006updates.html

For starters:

http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/jaycutlerwins.html

In terms of both historical logic (judging standards, precedents, and so on) and physique quality, this decision is still not sitting right with me.





I watermarked the pictures and they are courtesy of www.bodybuilding.com

It is not sitting well with you...you were not there and you don't know anything about judging.  Looking at pictures from Saturday don't tell tell entire story.  Buy a ticket next time.

[Tigerman]

Paul is NOT the voice of truth but his opinion of being at the 1995 is indictive of the general consensus that Dorian like in 1993 simply dominated everyone , I've read all the contest footage from the magazines and not just Flex and all resoundly are unanimous .

Now to Ronnie 2006 again when I looked at the pictures and NOT from just Flexonline I couldn't believe how off Ronnie was and I thought Jay improved from last year , after veiwing the pics I came to the conclusion Jay was better and not by just a little , but my fear was Ronnie was going to be handed a gift and that would have been sad , but the judges did the right thing , on the scorecard it wasn't even close 22 to 38

Normally Ronnie would win the side chest and ab-thigh but not in 06 , he was smooth as a babies ass , he was a wreck and frankly I'm surprised it wasn't closer between him and Victor , anyway Shawn Ray and Milos both had Ronnie as losing and most of the writers who were there , I know its extremly difficult for a Coleman fan to deal with but Ronnie was NOT deserving to win and I don't think Jay is what I would consider Mr Olympia material , hell I would have been happy if Melvin won but based on the criteria they've been using Jay was the desereving winner , Jay may not be better than Ronnie 364 days out of the year but he was most certainly better than Ronnie on the day it matter most .

Again, I can deal with Ronnie's loss, what I disagree is your evaluation of those two single poses. I don't evaluate a pose just looking at conditioning. On the ab/thighs for instance Ronnie's structure is so much better than Jay's that he doesn't need to be totally dry to win it. Yes Jay's waist is that bad, no trace of V-taper in that pose, his torso looks like a number 8. His giant obliques on top of a wide waist make him look really bad.
I watched the live webcast, you might look in youtube you can find prejudging and final routines. Then you will tell me if Ronnie was that softer than Jay.  

[NarcissisticDeity]

Wasn't it debated that Flex should have won in 1993?  And by 1995, Dorian only had one arm, so how could he have dominated?

I can accept that Jay should have won, but for the judges to put him ahead of Ronnie in the front poses?  Please!

No it wasn't debated and honestly Flex admited he should have placed third and Shawn second but to sum it up best Smair Bannout said Dorian was first , second and third. and in 1995 Dorian's torn bicep did fill out somewhat from 1994 and the judges said that his torn-bicep in 1994 made absolutely no difference to his overall package.

[TDK]

ND do you seriously have Jay winning this pose?....



I mean, seriously?

[NarcissisticDeity]

ND do you seriously have Jay winning this pose?....



I mean, seriously?

You know I'm willing to say it could be a push I'm open for debate on this pose .

[sarcasm]

You know I'm willing to say it could be a push I'm open for debate on this pose .

come on Narc, i'm the biggest Cutler fan around but Ronnie is killing Jay on that shot.

[Jr. Yates]

their skin tone is almost the same colour!

[NarcissisticDeity]

What I know for sure is how to call inconsistencies when I see them.

Whether things turned out in his favour or not, Jay was still being irrational and ignorant to feel he had a chance of winning this year.  In the entire history of the Mr. Olympia contest with a few exceptions (but none in the past 21 years), the reigning champ ALWAYS wins.  Ronnie beat Jay before under similar circumstances.

So why did things change in 2006?  Even IF you could argue Jay deserved the win (I would not agree), he STILL should have placed second based on history and simple logic.  Not to say I agree with the concept of the reigning champ always winning, but I'm just pointing out that that is how it is and for it to be different this year is very odd, wouldn't you say?

Matt you can't seperate your personal feelings and its preventing you from using logic , I don't know if its the deluge of Flex and MD articles and all the hub-bub that Ronnie is unbeatable but use your head , Ronnie is very beatable and has been throughout his career

He was lucky to win in 1998 , and he had a few close calls in 2001 , 2002 and 2004 , he lose to Gunther in 2002 at the Show of Strenght , he lost the challenge rounds judged by his contemporaries , Ronnie hasn't been like like Dorian or Lee Haney

And what I find ironic about all the nay-sayers and conspricy theorists is Jay just happened to be noticably better than last year and this was Ronnie's worse Mr Olympia showing ever , its this simple , Ronnie was way off and Jay was on , Ronnie got caught slipping and paid for it .

[NarcissisticDeity]

While Jay looks very good in that pose, I don't see any area where he is beating Ronnie.  Unless it was that his posing was better and he held the pose for longer or displayed his muscle better.  But in terms of physique, from head to toe I would give that pose to Ronnie.

Actually the judges gave Jay this pose , so again I'm open for debate.

[Tigerman]

Actually the judges gave Jay this pose , so again I'm open for debate.

How do you know they gave him this pose? Jay won the four rounds (and not even with straigth firsts, meaning that for some judge Ronnie was first in some rounds), but that doesn't mean he won each single pose.

[TDK]

the prejudging videos tell a whole lot more than the pics imo...

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=99418.0

[NarcissisticDeity]

Ronnie has never been "very" beatable throughout his career!  Possibly beatable is one thing, but never has it been the case where he was clearly and easily beatable - not this year either.  And Ronnie wasn't off this year.  He was defintely on, just not to the degree he had been in the past.

I think some people on here are judging this contest based on personal bests.  Saying Victor should beat Ronnie is laughable.  Just because Victor was closer to his personal best than Ronnie was doesn't mean Victor should have beat him (some have suggested this).

I don't think he was lucky to win in 1998 - I think he was lucky to win in 2002.

ND, you still haven't addressed by point: in the history of the Mr. Olympia, the reigning champ will win as long as he is top three caliber.

Do I agree with this unwritten rule?  No.  But why was this year an exception?

Again Matt you're just plain wrong , the fact that Ronnie was beat by Guther proves my point he was very beatable , the fact that 2001 and 2002 were very controversial wins for Ronnie and they could have went either way , in fact in 2001 he lost the symmetry and muscularity rounds , 2002 he lost both the posing rounds to Levrone , 1998 he just barely beat Flex to win the title probably the closest Mr Olympia title win ever ! I hate to break it to you sport Ronnie Coleman was very beatable with the exception of 99/00/03 were straight first victories , 1998/2001/2002/2004 he could have very easily lost the title , 2006 he did.

Matt the point of a Mr Olympia not losing even if off is really only in recent years , Sergio lost in 1969 , Frank Zane lost in 1980 , Samir in 1984 , Ronnie 2006 it does happen , so its also an unwritten rule that don't take your title for granted.

When I say Ronnie was lucky to win its NOT because he didn't deserve to that contest could have gone either way and he is damn lucky they didn't go with the heir-apparent Flex just based on name alone , if you had faith in the judges choices when Ronnie won , then don't cheapen their abilities when he loses.

[Matt C]

ND - I'm not saying I always have faith in the judges.  In 2002 the title should have appropriately gone to either Levrone or Gunter in my opinion, although Ronnie still had a knockout back and was very hard.  But I think it's odd that the judges weren't consistent this year with their own standards.  I'm not saying I agree with them or not since it is not relevant to this point.  I'm simply saying the judges were not consistent with the own standards and precedents they set in years past.

[Woten]

They will all be up here when all is said and done:

http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/olympia2006updates.html

For starters:

http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/jaycutlerwins.html

In terms of both historical logic (judging standards, precedents, and so on) and physique quality, this decision is still not sitting right with me.





I watermarked the pictures and they are courtesy of www.bodybuilding.com

what font is the watermark text?

[Woten]

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