Adonis= World Class powerlifter??

[The True Adonis]

What is energy? Why do people say "Oh man! I have so much energy...I could do anything?" Energy is not what people think.  Energy by definition is actually "the ability to produce a change in itself or its surroundings" What does this mean? It is the effect of doing work. When you lift a barbell, you give the barbell a certain property. If you drop the barbell, it can do work; it could exert a force that would crush your toes. Say you were running while carrying a 45 lb plate. If you drop this plate or roll it, you have given it an opportunity to exert a force. You have given these objects energy.

    By doing work on a barbell or machine, you have transferred energy from your body to the object. That is why we say work is the transfer of energy by mechanical means. There are two main types of energy, potential and kinetic. Keep reading below to discover how each energy affects weightlifting.

Potential Energy:

  An weightlifting object can store energy as the result of its position. When you are locked out at the top of a bench press, the bar has has stored energy. The stored energy is what we call Potential Energy. Likewise, when you pull down a bar on the lat pull down machine and hold it, you have given it potential energy.

   There are two types of potential energy, gravitational and elastic. We will deal with only gravitational though, as elastic concerns elastic materials which are only present in plyometric training. Gravitational energy is the stored energy of an object due to its height or vertical position. This energy is stored as a result of the constant gravitational attraction to the earth. (9.8m/s^2). The amount of this type of potential energy is dependent on two factors--the mass of the object and its height that it is raised to. More massive objects have a greater gravitational potential energy. Also, the higher an object is the more gravitational potential energy it has. We can express that potential energy is equal to:

PE (in joules) = mass * gravity * height

PE=mgh

Mass represents the mass of the object, gravity as 9.8m/s^2, and height as the distance where the object is above the ground.

   In order to determine the gravitational potential energy, you must first designate a zero height or reference level. This height is where the object is first at rest. Your zero height is where your barbell, dumbbell, or weight is first located an initial position. Dealing with the bench press and squat, the zero height would be where the bar rests on the rack initially.

Scenario:

A female bodybuilder decides to squat 355 lbs (161.36 kg). She rests the rack 2 m above the ground. How much potential energy does the bar have?

Answer:

Since the object is at rest, it has potential energy. PE = mgh. So, PE = (161.36 kg)(9.8 m/s^2)(2 m). The bar has 3162.73 J of potential energy.

Kinetic Energy:

  An object that has motion has kinetic energy. The tricep bar that you push down has kinetic energy. The 35 lb dumbbell you curl has kinetic energy. Kinetic energy is defined as "is the amount of energy that a moving object possesses." The value of kinetic energy depends on two variables--the mass of the object and the velocity of the object. We express kinetic energy as:

KE= 1/2 * mass * velocity^2

KE, like all forms of energy, is measured in joules

   Looking at the equation, you can tell that a 45 lb barbell has more kinetic energy than a 15 lb dumbbell, assuming their velocities are equal. But how can you get equal amounts of kinetic energy when masses are different? Simply increase the velocity of the smaller object. But how do you increase the velocity of the dumbbell? You must exert a larger force. To do this, we must see how work is equal to kinetic energy.

   Newton's second law shows the relationship between performing work and kinetic energy. According to Newton's second law, F= ma, an object is accelerated with a sure constant acceleration if a net force is exerted on it (must be constant.) We know that work is equal to Fd. If we assume that the initial velocity of this dumbbell was zero, we can find the relationship between work and kinetic energy.

Using the equation, vf^2=vi^2 +2ad we can find the relationship:

If vi=0, than the equation collapses to v^2=2ad, or d=v^2/2a

Work is then equal to mad. (F=ma)

Work then translates to = ma(v^2/2a)

                                    = 1/2 mv^2

Work done on is equal to the kinetic energy gained by the dumbbell.

   But not all objects start at rest. Therefore, they already have kinetic energy. If an object already has KE, then work would be equal to the change in kinetic energies.

Wnet = KE final - KE initial

   This equation is called the work-energy theorem. It states that "the net work done on an object is equal to its change in kinetic energy." This equation indicated that if the work done on an object is positive, the kinetic energy increases. Work is positive when it is performed in the same direction of the object. So if you apply a 10 N force to a barbell upwards during a preacher curl, your kinetic energy will increase because the directions are the same. If the net work done is negative, the kinetic energy decreases.

Scenario:

A man deadlifts 486 lbs (220.91 kg) with a final velocity of 3 m/s. If the barbell was initially at rest determine the amount of  kinetic energy.

Answer:

KE= 1/2mv^2. V is equal to Vf-Vi. So to solve this problem you just plug in all the components. KE= 1/2(220.91kg)(3 m/s-0m/s), which equals 331.37 Joules.

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[The True Adonis]

  When you walk into a gym there are two main types of weightlifting machines. Free weights, which have no help from machines to assist you and weightlifting machines, such as Nautilus, Cybex, and Hammer Strength which control the motion of your lift. Machines are used primarily by novices and elderly as well as those who are trying to work a specific muscle very strongly. Machines help ease the constant load of the weight, thus making it seem easier to lift a certain weight for a certain exercise.

                                 

               Free weights                                                  Machines

(http://www.deltafit.com/images/barbell.jpg)         ( http://www.pro-fitness.com/latpulldown.htm)

   There are both advantages and disadvantages to both styles of weightlifting. Free weights work better if you are trying to bulk up on muscle quickly since your muscles are under a constant load of weight. Your muscles have to work to move the weight from its resting position and they also have to work to bring it back. There is no help except if you cheat, as do most weightlifters. By cheating, you are using other insignificant muscles to help lift the weight, thus removing the constant load away from the muscles that are supposed to be worked.

   Weightlifting machines actually take pressure off of your muscles because you can spread the load over a larger muscle group. If you are a novice weightlifter it is smart to initially use the weightlifting machines so that you do not pull a muscle or seriously injure yourself by mishandling a free weight or using improper technique to do a lift. Weightlifting machines are also useful to perform exercises that can not be done using free weights, such as the Ground Base Jammer, which is a favorite amongst football players. This machines helps build the pectoral and shoulder muscles, a must for lineman and blockers.

     

Ground Base Jammer

(http://www.fitness-design.com/lf_gb_jammer.htm)

   A machine is a device that transfers a force letting us do Work with less effort. When you use a weightlifting machine you are applying a force to that machine in order to move the apparatus. There is also a force being exerted by the machine. A person can often times lift more weight using a weightlifting machine as opposed to free weights because of the machines Actual Mechanical Advantage. Every machine has a different Actual Mechanical Advantage. Actual Mechanical Advantage is calculated by dividing the amount of force produced by the machine by the amount of force you have to apply to the machine.

 

AMA = Fresistance / Feffort

    In other words mechanical advantage can be found by dividing the weight of the object being lifted (Force weight = mass x acceleration) by the amount of force that you have to apply to lift it. The Actual Mechanical Advantage of a machine is calculated taking into account the resistance force of friction.

   If a weightlifting machine is an Ideal machine, the amount of work put into lifting the weight is equal to the amount of work done by the machine because there is no friction. Unfortunately, because there is always someamount of friction existing when two objects rub together, ideal machines exist nowhere but in theory. There is a formula to calculate the Ideal Mechanical Advantage of a machine (ignoring frictional forces).

 

IMA = d effort / d resistance

    Which means that you can calculate the Ideal Mechanical Advantage of a machine by dividing the distance you have to apply the force for by the distance the resistance moved.

   All machines have a certain level of Efficiency which is equal to the amount of Work produced by the machine divided by the amount of Work that you have to put into the machine.

  Efficiency = Wout / Win

    Some examples of simple machines that help you to do Work while weightlifting are levers, wheel & axle, pulleys, and incline planes. Most weightlifting machines (especially novice machines such as Cybex) use pulleys to decrease the amount of effort you have to put in to raise a certain weight. When using pulleys, the IMA can be found by adding the number of strings that the weight is hanging from and that are supporting the weight!

   For example, if the weight is hanging from two cords the IMA = 2:1 which means that you only have to apply half the amount of force that you are trying to lift. If you were lifting a 100 lb weight using a machine that had 2 cords attached to the weight you would actually only feel the effect of lifting a 50 lb weight.

   There are some machines in which there is only the use of one pulley and two cords, but a majority of the weightlifting machines today use many pulleys and cords as well as different angles. By having a wide variety of angles and pulleys, the user can see for himself which position is more comfortable and which load feels best.

 An example of a machine with many pulleys. Some machines have as many as 12 pulleys for one exercise!

(http://www.pro-fitness.com/cablecross.htm)

   

 

 

 

    However, with the use of machines comes another force. That force is the force of tension. Tension arises from the use of ropes or cables to carry a force. (In this case, tension forms in the cables that a weightlifter uses in machines such as cable crossovers, pushdowns, etc.) When a lifter applies a force to the bar to pull the weight down, he is not directly applying a force to the weight stack. Instead, he is exerting a force on the cable which transmits that force onto the load of weight. The force experienced by the weight stack from the cable is called the tension force.



   However, in an ideal world these cables would have no mass, perfectly transmitting the force applied to the stack of weight. If the cable was in fact massless, it would always experience two opposite but equal tension forces.

   Because most machines uses pulleys, we must address the following issue.

Pulleys do not change the magnitude of the force of the cable. They only change the direction!

    We will assume that our cables are massless. From the figure below you can see that the pulley changes the direction. Notice the forces of -T and T. When a cable is used in a pulley, the cable must still experience two opposite but equal forces. It may look like it is experiencing the forces in the same direction, but with the pulley it makes it possible. The pulley changes the direction of the force. When analyzing a pulley situation with a force tension, you must look at the shape of the rope to determine direction. The positive direction of the rope is pointing upward on the left side and pointing downward on the right side. Now you can see that the rope does actually experience two equal but opposite forces.

[SteelePegasus]

monster copy and paste in hopes of distracting

[El_Spiko]

That makes Zero sense.

Now you know what it's like for the rest of us when we read your posts.
Your bodytype didn't change, only the amount of fat and lean muscle that you had. You lost a lot of both. Your bodytype is the same. When comparing two different people with two different bodytypes, then the relative strength argument can apply. My workout partner is a lot talller and lankier than I am, where as I am short and stocky, so it gives us advantages and disadvantages on different lifts. But when compared to someone the same height and bodytype as me, the weight we lift is the determination of strength. If you're doing a lift properly the only thing that is going to matter is how much force your muscles can exert, otherwise your cheating. Bodytype will affect how much force your muscles can exert depending on the exercise, true. But your bodytype didn't change. You lost muscle mass while dieting. It happens to everyone when they diet down. And you got weaker on your lifts. You seem to be happier now the way you look than before, so what does it matter how much you lift. This is a bodybuilding forum, not a powerlifting one. All that matters is the physique you show, not the weight you lift. So you don't have to get up in arms about what you're lifting or make excuses. By doing so you're just drawing negative attention to yourself.

[SteelePegasus]

Adonis, you love to proclaim your intelligence yet you lack the writing skills to express your point properly.

Let me help you:

TA is trying to say that he is relatively stronger in his new emaciated state.  The absolute loads he can now lift are less but his body weight is also less thus he claims to have an improved power to weight ratio.  If at 240 lbs he could deadlift 600 lbs that was 2.5 lbs deadlifted for every pound of body weight.  At his new weight of say 170 lbs if he could still muster a 500 lbs deadlift he would be deadlifting 2.9 lbs for every pound of body weight.



Now his powerlifting argument is just silly bcause what he fails to realize is that most guys in the lighter weight classes tend to be shorter not just skinny guys lifting a lot of weight.  That same argument also disproves his "leverage" argument for the deadlift because there ARE some lighter guys who have tiny waists and can pull a shitload of weight.

Finally, if Adonis would ever care to drive a few hours to my area I would be more than happy to have a deadlift competition.  Straps or no straps, reps or for a single.  

NO thanks, he likes being second best!!!!!!!!!!

[The True Adonis]

monster copy and paste in hopes of distracting

Not at all.

I just can`t believe how stupid the majority of people are.

Oh wait,

I can......They voted for Bush and still think people rise from the dead and can walk on water and put ever single animal into a impossibly big boat.
hahhahhah

[The True Adonis]

Now you know what it's like for the rest of us when we read your posts.
Your bodytype didn't change, only the amount of fat and lean muscle that you had. You lost a lot of both. Your bodytype is the same. When comparing two different people with two different bodytypes, then the relative strength argument can apply. My workout partner is a lot talller and lankier than I am, where as I am short and stocky, so it gives us advantages and disadvantages on different lifts. But when compared to someone the same height and bodytype as me, the weight we lift is the determination of strength. If you're doing a lift properly the only thing that is going to matter is how much force your muscles can exert, otherwise your cheating. Bodytype will affect how much force your muscles can exert depending on the exercise, true. But your bodytype didn't change. You lost muscle mass while dieting. It happens to everyone when they diet down. And you got weaker on your lifts. You seem to be happier now the way you look than before, so what does it matter how much you lift. This is a bodybuilding forum, not a powerlifting one. All that matters is the physique you show, not the weight you lift. So you don't have to get up in arms about what you're lifting or make excuses. By doing so you're just drawing negative attention to yourself.

You are totally wrong!

Based on all equations, I am ALOT stronger!

[chris_mason]

It does not disprove my "leverage" argument at all.
Take that same small person and increase their overall bodymass, waist and arm size and they will increase their lifts.  Its simple.

Lifting has more to do with placement of joints and bones, angles and speed of reps and distance traveled.

TA, sigh....

Ok, demonstrable strength is a result of several factors some of which you have mentioned.  If your argument and statements were 100% correct you would be deadlifting more weight at your lighter bodyweight.  Did you know that a big gut is actually considered to be a detriment to deadlifting in powerlifting circles?  Why?  You have to literally lift around your guys as you pull the load.  Anyway, if you lost ZERO muscle mass when dieting you would actually improve you leverage in the deadlift and thus be able to lift a greater load (not to mention the fact your body would weigh less thus decreasing the true load being lifted even if the weight on the bar were the same).  

[xpac2]

You are totally wrong!

Based on all equations, I am ALOT stronger!

HI sarcasm 

[danielson]

You are totally wrong!

Based on all equations, I am ALOT stronger!

Do you lift more now? and don't cut and paste someone elses work, just answer yes or no.

[onlyme]

Adonis: man I have had sex with so many girls

Reality: man I have had sex with so many relatives
 

[dorkeroo]

TA, sigh....

Ok, demonstrable strength is a result of several factors some of which you have mentioned.  If your argument and statements were 100% correct you would be deadlifting more weight at your lighter bodyweight.  Did you know that a big gut is actually considered to be a detriment to deadlifting in powerlifting circles?  Why?  You have to literally lift around your guys as you pull the load.  Anyway, if you lost ZERO muscle mass when dieting you would actually improve you leverage in the deadlift and thus be able to lift a greater load (not to mention the fact your body would weigh less thus decreasing the true load being lifted even if the weight on the bar were the same). 

Why do you bother man? It is obvious he is either insane, in which case you can't do anything, or, he is fucking with you.

[El_Spiko]

It does not disprove my "leverage" argument at all.
Take that same small person and increase their overall bodymass, waist and arm size and they will increase their lifts.  Its simple.

Lifting has more to do with placement of joints and bones, angles and speed of reps and distance traveled.

Their lifts will increase because they have more muscle and therefore got stronger. Joints and bones, angles and speed of reps has nothing to do with how much bodyfat you have. That is structural. Your structure did not change. You can make the pound for pound argument, but even then the biggest factor is how much of that poundage is muscle. There a huge difference between Ronnie Coleman at 300 lbs and a 5' 11" 300lbs lard-ass with 40% bf. Ronnie will outlift him because he has more muscle mass, even if they have the same structure and weight. Your joints and bones didn't change, so your lifts shouldn't have either, unless you lost some muscle mass. The only equation in which you are stronger is if you are talking pound for pound and not taking into account your lean muscle mass. But if your lean bodyweight didn't change your lifts shouldn't have either, especially by 180 pounds.
Just because you keep saying "You're wrong" doesn't mean I am. Show the holes in my logic. I showed the holes in yours and you have yet to reconcile them. I know you're not in the habit of addressing people who show you to be wrong, but do you think you can make an exception this time? Just how many times do I and others have to show you that you are anything but infallible?

[The True Adonis]

Their lifts will increase because they have more muscle and therefore got stronger. Joints and bones, angles and speed of reps has nothing to do with how much bodyfat you have. That is structural. Your structure did not change. You can make the pound for pound argument, but even then the biggest factor is how much of that poundage is muscle. There a huge difference between Ronnie Coleman at 300 lbs and a 5' 11" 300lbs lard-ass with 40% bf. Ronnie will outlift him because he has more muscle mass, even if they have the same structure and weight. Your joints and bones didn't change, so your lifts shouldn't have either, unless you lost some muscle mass. The only equation in which you are stronger is if you are talking pound for pound and not taking into account your lean muscle mass. But if your lean bodyweight didn't change your lifts shouldn't have either, especially by 180 pounds.
Just because you keep saying "You're wrong" doesn't mean I am. Show the holes in my logic. I showed the holes in yours and you have yet to reconcile them. I know you're not in the habit of addressing people who show you to be wrong, but do you think you can make an exception this time? Just how many times do I and others have to show you that you are anything but infallible?

Thats funny. Because my lean body mass was the same when I was Deadlifting 600 as it is now.

ROFLMAO!

And I will add, the last 3 times I dieted down with 350 grams of protein and carb cycled.  Didn`t cheat once.

I was SOOOOOOOOOOO MUCH WEAKER!  and not near as lean!

[MAXX]

haha you sound like a physics geek TA

[delta9mda]

People need to know these things so they don`t feel bad about themselves not being able to do what the next guy does.  It simply does not matter.

it does matter in competition.

[Marty Champions]

Thats funny. Because my lean body mass was the same when I was Deadlifting 600 as it is now.

ROFLMAO!

And I will add, the last 3 times I dieted down with 350 grams of protein and carb cycled.  Didn`t cheat once.

I was SOOOOOOOOOOO MUCH WEAKER!  and not near as lean!

i agree i was dieting around 300-400 grams of protien, it didnt feel right drinking all that crap whey either.

[Marty Champions]

i agree i was dieting around 300-400 grams of protien, it didnt feel right drinking all that crap whey either.

whats really funny is when people cry "genetics"...ohhh you must have good "genetics" to be so huge and ripped

[El_Spiko]

Thats funny. Because my lean body mass was the same when I was Deadlifting 600 as it is now.

ROFLMAO!

And I will add, the last 3 times I dieted down with 350 grams of protein and carb cycled.  Didn`t cheat once.

I was SOOOOOOOOOOO MUCH WEAKER!  and not near as lean!

You claim your lean body mass was the same. Most people will contend that it was not. It's easy to tell looking at your pics that you lost some muscle. The fact that your lifts decreased so much would indicate that as well. When you were bigger you lift more. Then you did a crash diet based upon a caloric deficit without any concern for keeping yourself supplied with amino acids so that your body didn't eat your muscle mass. So you lost a bunch of weight that way and your lifts went down. You obviously lost muscle tissue. D'uh!

[knny187]

11 pages of useless information......


Mods....move this to the alphabet boards with the other useless information

 

[Mussolini]

Did you mention inbreeding?

I dont agree with you guys making fun of Adonis for physical attributes. As far as im concerned his theories and training principles are fair game but there is no need to make fun of people for the way they look.

[gibberj2]

daddywaddy why are you talking to yourself?

[El_Spiko]

I dont agree with you guys making fun of Adonis for physical attributes. As far as im concerned his theories and training principles are fair game but there is no need to make fun of people for the way they look.

What about his haircut? He can do something about that

[dorkeroo]

What about his haircut? He can do something about that

He does have a point. In all fairness though Adam in the past has been as hard as anyone on people for how they look. He is getting a taste of his own medicine now. Mind you he is nuts now, so I don't know how he is going to take it all.

[Krankenstein]

Dumbass,
Powerlifting is categorized by bodyweight.  Being way stronger at a lower bodyweight then being a high bodyweight and less proportionately strong is HUGE in powerlifting.

I would do way better at a lighter bodyweight deadlifting 500 lbs then being a heavy bodyweight and only doing 600.

And some Organizations even use Power to Weight Ratios to determine meets or to determine overall best lifters.

TA....actually people should just go here and plug some numbers in:

http://tsampa.org/training/scripts/relative_strength/

Use the following:

Name: Lifter1
Weight (bodyweight): 235lbs
Total : 600lb
Age: 27 (I think thats how old you were when you did your 600)

Name: Lifter2
Weight (bodyweight): 170lbs
Total : 500lb
Age: 28 (I think it was a year ago)

Click calculate and you will see how each of the powerlifting formulas would rank you....