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School shootings . . . what's going on?
« on: October 03, 2006, 12:25:30 PM »

seems like there've been several recently. I can't understand what possesses a person to do this . . . especially the last one in which several very young Amish girls were killed by a man who had young girls at home.


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Re: School shootings . . . what's going on?
« Reply #1 on: October 03, 2006, 12:27:22 PM »
seems like there've been several recently. I can't understand what possesses a person to do this . . . especially the last one in which several very young Amish girls were killed by a man who had young girls at home.


He was molested by a sexual predator when he was a child.
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Re: School shootings . . . what's going on?
« Reply #2 on: October 03, 2006, 12:37:03 PM »
He was molested by a sexual predator when he was a child.

you really have no problems presenting your wild speculations as truths, do you?   ::)


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« Reply #3 on: October 03, 2006, 12:44:28 PM »
Copycat killings? Experts warn of 'contagion effect'
There have been three school shootings in less than a week. A "toxic" social environment is also blamed.
By Melissa Dribben
Inquirer Staff Writer

There was nothing particularly original about the scenario.

A gunman walked into a classroom, took students hostage, and then opened fire.

Of the roughly 30,000 fatal shootings in this country every year, a statistically minute number take place this way. But the horror is not diminished by its rarity. And when it happens three times in a week, the inevitable question arises: Was each successive killing inspired by the one before?

"Unfortunately," said James Alan Fox, "the contagion effect can surface very quickly. And the bad news is, things could get worse."

Fox, professor of criminal justice at Northeastern University, said yesterday that a similar wave of copycat shootings occurred after two students from Columbine High School in Colorado killed 12 of their classmates and a teacher in 1999.

"Ninety-nine-point-nine percent of schoolchildren identified with the victims," Fox said. "But a small percentage identified with the shooters because, not only did they get even with bullies and nasty teachers, but they got famous for it."

A study of subsequent shootings in the months after Columbine found that "all involved white kids in small towns," Fox said. "The copycat effect would be most pronounced when there is a similarity between the perpetrator and the ones they are idolizing and modeling."

Whatever the short-term effects have been in setting off a cascade of similarly staged acts of violence, several experts suggested that the national focus belongs on the larger context. That is, the need to reach troubled people, provide mental health services, and address the normalizing of violence in American society.

Fox, the author of The Will to Kill: Explaining Senseless Murder and Extreme Killing: Understanding Serial and Mass Murder, said schools carried a symbolic power as targets.

"If you want to find young kids and get even with society - a school is an ideal place for doing that," he said. "They represent a place where people may have felt unhappy, their self-esteem was threatened, where they were bullied, and where they decide to get revenge."

The majority of attackers in school settings are motivated by revenge, according to the 2002 "Safe School Initiative," which examined targeted school violence between 1974 and 2000. The 50-page report, by the Secret Service and the U.S. Department of Education, found that 93 percent planned the assault in advance and displayed behavior signaling that they were preparing to harm their targets.

"The copycat theory must be considered since these attacks happened in such close proximity to each other," said Deborah Prothrow-Smith, assistant dean at the Harvard School of Public Health and author of Murder Is No Accident. "But the copycat theory tends to minimize the true cultural aspects of this."

Prothrow-Smith said, "You've got a socially toxic environment that glamorizes guns and violence."

Video games, television, films and news constantly project images of people "justifying their wrongs or emotions with violence," she said. "You mix guns in a culture where people are not good at handling difficult emotions like anger, fear, guilt and grief... and you have a toxic social environment."

Having said this, Prothrow-Smith added there was nothing inevitable about the psychological chemistry leading to attacks like this.

"We have a sick man with a gun in a society that justifies violence," she said. "Something was going to happen. What he decided to do might have been influenced by the copycat phenomenon, but normal, healthy people in normal, healthy situations don't watch this on TV and go do it the next day."

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Re: School shootings . . . what's going on?
« Reply #4 on: October 03, 2006, 12:59:05 PM »
He was molested by a sexual predator when he was a child.

That would help explain his pedophilia, but not necessarily murder. 

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« Reply #5 on: October 03, 2006, 01:00:44 PM »
That would help explain his pedophilia, but not necessarily murder. 

so far all the info that's out there indicates that he claims to have molested two younger femal relatives decades ago. there is no evidence that he wsa the victim of molestation himself.

they also said he was "angry w God" over the death of one of his own children.

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« Reply #6 on: October 03, 2006, 01:01:55 PM »
Should teachers, with the same training, background checks, and state certification that others use to get a concealed weapons permit, be allowed to carry a concealed firearm at schools?

The debate was pretty big back in 99 after columbine. I was a teacher then, at a rough middle school where we did confiscate weapons on a weekly basis.  Only guns twice that year I think, but knives frequently.  A few of us teachers had concealed weapons permits "in real life" but of course were not allowed to carry on campus.

If strangers and students were aware that *some* teachers did carry weapons, would that reduce shootings?  Of course the teachers would be responsible for the weapon, trianing, concealment, etc.  But would it save lives?

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« Reply #7 on: October 03, 2006, 01:04:36 PM »
so far all the info that's out there indicates that he claims to have molested two younger femal relatives decades ago. there is no evidence that he wsa the victim of molestation himself.

they also said he was "angry w God" over the death of one of his own children.

Ah so.  Thanks for the clarification.  

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« Reply #8 on: October 03, 2006, 01:43:23 PM »
Ah so.  Thanks for the clarification. 

people die, but that doesn't stop some from bullshitting. glad to do what i can.

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« Reply #9 on: October 03, 2006, 01:58:32 PM »
God bless those little girls souls. :'(
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Re: School shootings . . . what's going on?
« Reply #10 on: October 03, 2006, 02:00:16 PM »
seems like there've been several recently. I can't understand what possesses a person to do this . . . especially the last one in which several very young Amish girls were killed by a man who had young girls at home.


I overheard an interesting discussion on this standing in line at the store dealing with the need to change headlines? and put people in a defensive mode. People being put in that mode right way when their children are in danger.  The person brough up manchurian canditate, cia mind control, facts about Sirhan's eyes being competely dialated despite bright lights, the cia's interest through the years of mind control.  I'm not sure I follow but it was an interesting easdropping that had me doing a few searches when I got home.
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« Reply #11 on: October 03, 2006, 02:15:23 PM »
I overheard an interesting discussion on this standing in line at the store dealing with the need to change headlines? and put people in a defensive mode. People being put in that mode right way when their children are in danger.  The person brough up manchurian canditate, cia mind control, facts about Sirhan's eyes being competely dialated despite bright lights, the cia's interest through the years of mind control.  I'm not sure I follow but it was an interesting easdropping that had me doing a few searches when I got home.

where are all these conspiracy jackasses suddenly coming from? is 240 recruiting on conspiracy boards?

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Re: School shootings . . . what's going on?
« Reply #12 on: October 03, 2006, 02:32:16 PM »
nope.

maybe people aren't as scared about speaking their mind anymore.

Maybe because the Official Story people cannot explain all the holes in the 911 story, people are starting to think "Shit dude... if my govt lied to me leading up to 911, and has lied to me since, maybe it's possible they lied ON 911!"

Once you figure out the 911 truth, you start to look into who or what was behind it.

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« Reply #13 on: October 03, 2006, 02:33:00 PM »
where are all these conspiracy jackasses suddenly coming from? is 240 recruiting on conspiracy boards?
Are you saying the guys at the grocery store were recruited by 240? Rolling Eyes................  I didn't say I believed it, just an idea I heard.  You asked, I posted............ It doesn't make it valid or invalid, just a possible consideration...... An element on some people's minds.......  If you don't want to know, or talk about things with a wider audience, I suggest you form a little private club where only people who think like you do can sit around all day long in a happy circle jerk...................!!! lol.............
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« Reply #14 on: October 03, 2006, 06:16:06 PM »
He was molested by a sexual predator when he was a child.

but thats no excuse or valid explanation for doing what he did
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« Reply #15 on: October 03, 2006, 06:20:21 PM »
as to why its happeneing so much lately. i think people seeing others doing it all over tv gives them the idea...and the thought "if they can do it so can i"

theres alot of pissed of people in the world who are looking for a way to "get even" , and seeing this on tv has put the thought in their head.
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« Reply #16 on: October 03, 2006, 06:24:24 PM »
but thats no excuse or valid explanation for doing what he did

he first blamed alcohol.
then it was a touchy priest, who he will not identify, so that other kids can be spared the horrors.
anyone who defends him at this point is pathetic.

I heard ann coulter on oreilly tonight - she said 'who cares, the kid was almost old enough anyway'.  i can't believe people act like this.  A 54-year old man who was his boss in a position of political power, asking for cyber sex.  What the fuck is wrong with COulter?  

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« Reply #17 on: October 03, 2006, 06:31:05 PM »
he first blamed alcohol.
then it was a touchy priest, who he will not identify, so that other kids can be spared the horrors.
anyone who defends him at this point is pathetic.

I heard ann coulter on oreilly tonight - she said 'who cares, the kid was almost old enough anyway'.  i can't believe people act like this.  A 54-year old man who was his boss in a position of political power, asking for cyber sex.  What the f**k is wrong with COulter? 

you really are an obsessive fuck . . . do you even know what thread you're in?

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« Reply #18 on: October 03, 2006, 06:45:36 PM »
Are you saying the guys at the grocery store were recruited by 240? Rolling Eyes................  I didn't say I believed it, just an idea I heard.  You asked, I posted............ It doesn't make it valid or invalid, just a possible consideration...... An element on some people's minds.......  If you don't want to know, or talk about things with a wider audience, I suggest you form a little private club where only people who think like you do can sit around all day long in a happy circle jerk...................!!! lol.............
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« Reply #19 on: October 03, 2006, 06:52:01 PM »
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« Reply #20 on: October 03, 2006, 07:14:19 PM »
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« Reply #21 on: October 03, 2006, 08:39:27 PM »
I went to a highschool with metal detectors.... They should be in every school.

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« Reply #22 on: October 03, 2006, 09:16:11 PM »
I went to a highschool with metal detectors.... They should be in every school.

I spent most of my high school years at a school where you could get expelled for PDAs.  No metal detectors there. 

Hey I guess "PDA" has a different meaning today.  When I was growing up it meant "public display of affection."  Now it is a computer device.  I'm getting old.

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« Reply #23 on: October 03, 2006, 09:17:38 PM »
I spent most of my high school years at a school where you could get expelled for PDAs.  No metal detectors there. 

Hey I guess "PDA" has a different meaning today.  When I was growing up it meant "public display of affection."  Now it is a computer device.  I'm getting old.


LOL, I was wondering which PDA you were referring to.

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« Reply #24 on: October 03, 2006, 09:19:22 PM »

A study of subsequent shootings in the months after Columbine found that "all involved white kids in small towns," Fox said. "The copycat effect would be most pronounced when there is a similarity between the perpetrator and the ones they are idolizing and modeling."


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