Although Jay is a very good bodybuilder and Mr O, I think that , (for the Mr.O level) these shots aren't anything too impressive. The back is a bit watery for an hour before pre judge, the quads are real good, but not incredible and the arms and shoulders and chest just don't have the detail that they should. Obviously, my opinion means nothing here and he won anyway. I just think that Ronnie is the FAR more impressive bodybuilder. As an example, NOT A COMPARISON, here is a shot of my quads two weeks before a show and they got MUCH bigger the next year. and this was with only a cc deca and 2 cc test because I thought I was doing the muscle mania but decided to do NPC instead of becoming a cheat like the other guys.